Current Events > Bill Burr summed my feelings about "white privilege" up pretty well

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Ammonitida posted...

White privilege explained

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66nXLDW4hPw

My favorite example of "white privilege", as mentioned in the video, paraphrasing

White privilege is massacring 90% of the native population and then having your faces being carved on the very mountain in which you stole and not be called terrorists for it.

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Ammonitida posted...

My favorite example of "white privilege", as mentioned in the video, paraphrasing

White privilege is massacring 90% of the native population and then having your faces being carved on the very mountain in which you stole and not be called terrorists for it.

Every ethnicity has a history of massacring.

Unless you think massacres are ok if a brown person does it
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Dash_Harber posted...

The concept of "white priviledge" is not, "everyone should recognize they are priviledged and feel bad about it" the point is, "everyone should recognize the system may be unfair and that if we work together we can improve it". You know, or fucking just for people to have some god damn empathy.

Not true. White privilege is used to single out white people and marginalize their accomplishments and encourage self-shaming. If it were to be used to spread awareness about how not everyone is on an equal playing field, people would say "I'm at a disadvantage", not use a label to single people out and make them feel less of themselves.

Imagine if you're training everyday for a race, running every morning at 6:00 AM, working out every other day, putting in a lot of time and effort and investing you life into it. And when the race comes, and you win, imagine hearing people say to you, "You only won because you have longer legs than me", are you really going to be okay with hearing that? That your win was only attributed to your genetics and not also due to the sheer work you put into it? Apply that to studying for a Google interview and landing a job or getting into the college you wanted. No one wants to hear that.

Yes, luck is a factor, yes other people are born with more opportunities than others, but you want to spread the awareness of this, you don't go around insulting or shaming people due to factors they can't control.
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Ammonitida posted...

Wow. Imagine actually believing that.

A cop just got away with shooting his kids , black boyfriend in cold blood. So yeah this is something that is true. The people think otherwise are like the people in the Jim Crow era that said "their ___ were happy".
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Sad_Face posted...

Imagine if you're training everyday for a race, running every morning at 6:00 AM, working out every other day, putting in a lot of time and effort and investing you life into it. And when the race comes, and you win, imagine hearing people say to you, "You only won because you have longer legs than me", are you really going to be okay with hearing that? That your win was only attributed to your genetics and not also due to the sheer work you put into it? Apply that to studying for a Google interview and landing a job or getting into the college you wanted. No one wants to hear that.

Almost no one says when it comes to WP, you are bitching about something that doesn't exist.
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cjsdowg posted...

A cop just got away with shooting his kids , black boyfriend in cold blood.

An arabic former terrorist just got paid 10 million dollars and got an apology from the Canadian government for some legal technicality.

Is that an accurate reflction of how all arabs are treated in the west?
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Mal_Fet posted...

Is that an accurate reflction of how all arabs are treated in the west?

That is not an accurate reflection of the case in question.
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It's not only the guy with pocket aces's opinion that matters. In a democracy, everyone else could vote themselves more welfare for instance.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Ammonitida posted...

My favorite example of "white privilege", as mentioned in the video, paraphrasing

White privilege is massacring 90% of the native population and then having your faces being carved on the very mountain in which you stole and not be called terrorists for it.

Every ethnicity has a history of massacring.

Unless you think massacres are ok if a brown person does it

Thing is, it's not even true. 90% weren't "massacred". They died from disease due to incidental contact with European traders. Nor was any land "stolen". It was conquered or in some cases just claimed because no one was there.

That's white privilege, folks. Having POC refer to European conquests as "stealing land" while treating the Muslim/Ottoman conquests of South and South Eastern Europe as "conquering" by noble Muslims who brought science to Europe.
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Ammonitida posted...

That's white privilege, folks. Having POC refer to European conquests as "stealing land" while treating the Muslim/Ottoman conquests of South and South Eastern Europe as "conquering" by noble Muslims who brought science to Europe.

We literally broke treaties with them. So that isn't stolen ?
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Ammonitida posted...

That's white privilege, folks. Having POC refer to European conquests as "stealing land" while treating the Muslim/Ottoman conquests of South and South Eastern Europe as "conquering" by noble Muslims who brought science to Europe.

I've been reading about African colonialism, where African kingdoms took over their neighboring tribes and assimilated them, and also had spheres of influence where they took a tax from the trade of smaller neighbors.
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Look here is a fact. You can blame colonialism for dividing up Africa, but the continent as a whole is a hellhole of self-inflicted misery.

Starving? Have 5 children anyways.
Guy across from you is from a different ethnic group? Genocide time.

Just look at the Rwandan genocide. Africa doesn't have to be as racist as it is.

cjsdowg posted...

Almost no one says when it comes to WP, you are b****ing about something that doesn't exist.

It's the same thing, "you only got where you are because of WP", it still marginalizes the work and effort people make no matter how successful they are or aren't.
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cjsdowg posted...

Ammonitida posted...

Wow. Imagine actually believing that.

A cop just got away with shooting his kids , black boyfriend in cold blood. So yeah this is something that is true. The people think otherwise are like the people in the Jim Crow era that said "their ___ were happy".

Dude, what the fuck. Another anecdote. How pathetic. That "black" boyfriend wasn't even "black". He looked more white than anything. Anecdotes don't count for shit.

Black people are actually less likely to be convicted and prosecuted for the crimes they're accused of than white people.

America in Black and White: One Nation, Indivisible, page 273. Google it.
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cjsdowg posted...

Ammonitida posted...

That's white privilege, folks. Having POC refer to European conquests as "stealing land" while treating the Muslim/Ottoman conquests of South and South Eastern Europe as "conquering" by noble Muslims who brought science to Europe.

We literally broke treaties with them. So that isn't stolen ?

LMAO

Get a clue.
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Solid Snake07 posted...

Bio1590 posted...

Black dudes get shot while driving for seemingly no reason while white girls post snapchat stories posing with cops after getting pulled over for driving 20+ miles over the speed limit.

rednecks and white trash have a notoriously bad relationship with the cops as well.

So you're equating all black people with rednecks and white trash

Sativa_Rose posted...

Ammonitida posted...

That's white privilege, folks. Having POC refer to European conquests as "stealing land" while treating the Muslim/Ottoman conquests of South and South Eastern Europe as "conquering" by noble Muslims who brought science to Europe.

I've been reading about African colonialism, where African kingdoms took over their neighboring tribes and assimilated them, and also had spheres of influence where they took a tax from the trade of smaller neighbors.

Or massacred them and sacrificed them, as in the Kingdom of Dahomey.
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I've said this already but there's no such thing as 'white privilege', or the even more ridiculous concept of 'systematic racism'.
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Gorbachev posted...

Look here is a fact. You can blame colonialism for dividing up Africa, but the continent as a whole is a hellhole of self-inflicted misery.

Starving? Have 5 children anyways.
Guy across from you is from a different ethnic group? Genocide time.

Just look at the Rwandan genocide. Africa doesn't have to be as racist as it is.

Be warned, you might get a response from a bigot SJW who will blame the Rwanda genocide on the evil white man for praising the Tutsi minority over the Hutu majority back when the land was under colonial rule, as if POC are never responsible for any genocides they commit.

That's white privilege, folks. Because the European powers conquered most of the world by the turn of the 20th century, every POC atrocity, from the Ottoman genocide of Pontian Greeks and Armenians to the Rwanda massacre of Tutsis will be blamed on "white colonialism", absolving the POC who carried out the massacres of all responsibility. This is not hyperbole. I've seen this argument many times on the leftist blogosphere.
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Ammonitida posted...

Dude, what the f***. Another anecdote. How pathetic. That "black" boyfriend wasn't even "black". He looked more white than anything. Anecdotes don't count for s***.

Black people are actually less likely to be convicted and prosecuted for the crimes they're accused of than white people.

America in Black and White: One Nation, Indivisible, page 273. The stats are there. Google it.

An anecdote, yeah reporting facts about a case lets not do that .

And what are you talking about black people are less likely to be prosecuted. Black people are even more likely to he convicted of crimes that they didn't do. See that is from a real study.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/07/politics/blacks-wrongful-convictions-study/index.html

Next study

Study: Black Defendants Are At Least 30% More Likely To Be Imprisoned Than White Defendants For The Same Crime

https://thinkprogress.org/study-black-defendants-are-at-least-30-more-likely-to-be-imprisoned-than-white-defendants-for-the-29d567b44377

Next study white people and black people do drugs at the same rate but black people far more to be jailed for it.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/feb/26/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-says-blacks-more-likely-be-arreste/



Also I am not taking anything the writer of that books has to say . She claims that there are no racial barriers since Obama was elected.
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I agree.
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I don't trust people who say that white privilege is not about blaming whites or shaming whites. Other places have set a precedent for what happens when you let concepts like these run rampant. Take Zimbabe and South Africa as examples, where white people had and/or are having their land and property forcibly seized. Where white people are demonized by government officials and specifically targeted by murderers, all because of rhetoric regarding white privilege and colonization and etc.

Perhaps the people parroting that rhetoric on CE mean well, but it leads to a natural follow-up of expecting white people to "remedy the situation." And that will only ever be a disadvantage for white people, most of whom are not advantaged in any real way compared to anyone else.

Wealth is the true privilege. But note that most new millionaires over the last few decades were self made. People control a lot more of their destiny than they want to admit. They insist on victimization culture because it's easier than putting in sweat equity and tears in order to realize your dreams.

Sativa_Rose posted...

Ammonitida posted...

That's white privilege, folks. Having POC refer to European conquests as "stealing land" while treating the Muslim/Ottoman conquests of South and South Eastern Europe as "conquering" by noble Muslims who brought science to Europe.

I've been reading about African colonialism, where African kingdoms took over their neighboring tribes and assimilated them, and also had spheres of influence where they took a tax from the trade of smaller neighbors.

Gorbachev posted...

Look here is a fact. You can blame colonialism for dividing up Africa, but the continent as a whole is a hellhole of self-inflicted misery.

Starving? Have 5 children anyways.
Guy across from you is from a different ethnic group? Genocide time.

Just look at the Rwandan genocide. Africa doesn't have to be as racist as it is.

These are also very good points that should not be ignored. People have built this narrative that "the evil white man" turned Africa into what it is. But that's simply not true. Africa has a lot of complex issues, and none of them are predicated on colonization by white people.

You guys are giving me great information. I'm actually glad I clicked here.
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cjsdowg posted...

Ammonitida posted...

Dude, what the f***. Another anecdote. How pathetic. That "black" boyfriend wasn't even "black". He looked more white than anything. Anecdotes don't count for s***.

Black people are actually less likely to be convicted and prosecuted for the crimes they're accused of than white people.

America in Black and White: One Nation, Indivisible, page 273. The stats are there. Google it.

An anecdote, yeah reporting facts about a case lets not do that .

And what are you talking about black people are less likely to be prosecuted. Black people are even more likely to he convicted of crimes that they didn't do. See that is from a real study.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/07/politics/blacks-wrongful-convictions-study/index.html

Next study

Study: Black Defendants Are At Least 30% More Likely To Be Imprisoned Than White Defendants For The Same Crime

https://thinkprogress.org/study-black-defendants-are-at-least-30-more-likely-to-be-imprisoned-than-white-defendants-for-the-29d567b44377

Next study white people and black people do drugs at the same rate but black people far more to be jailed for it.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/feb/26/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-says-blacks-more-likely-be-arreste/



Also I am not taking anything the writer of that books has to say . She claims that there are no racial barriers since Obama was elected.

1. Wrongful conviction data sets are based on very selective samples (a black man claiming a false conviction is probably more likely to get his case heard by the "Innocence Project" simply because of the pervasive belief that the justice is biased against blacks), and even then it's not inconsistent with offending rates for the types of crimes under question. Since more blacks commit murder per capita (as evidenced by homicides victims of which 50% a year are black), it follows that black suspects would make up 50% or more of those falsely convicted.


2. That's an isolated study from one county dealing with sentencing disparities, not convictions by juries or judges. I already posted a much more comprehensive study on the matter that found much less severe disparities (10% for men and none for women). This study was in response to the US Sentencing Commission study of 2013 which used a much more comprehensive data set. Besides, as one article puts it, the study you cite lacks the data necessary to show any racial bias against blacks.

While the technique eliminates the problem of “unobserved variables” and demonstrates the salience of race, it has limits of its own. The results don’t show in which direction racial preferences tilt, whether in favor of blacks or whites.

I can also cite isolated studies.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886913000470

3. As for drugs, the DOJ did its own analysis of this issue.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rdusda.pdf

This explains 50% of the gap. Other non-race related variables not accounted for can possibly explain the remainder. It's premature to conclude racial bias.

4. How convenient. She actually cites DOJ statistics. Blacks are less likely to be convicted than whites. I just don't have direct links to the studies ATM. I could have just ignored your links based on the websites (Politifact?), but I didn't did I?
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CrimsonRage posted...

White privilege is like science. Even if you don't believe in it, it's still true.

Baseless assertion.

Transcendentia posted...

CrimsonRage posted...

White privilege is like science. Even if you don't believe in it, it's still true.

Baseless assertion.

Donald J Trump, nuff said.
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Sad_Face posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

The concept of "white priviledge" is not, "everyone should recognize they are priviledged and feel bad about it" the point is, "everyone should recognize the system may be unfair and that if we work together we can improve it". You know, or fucking just for people to have some god damn empathy.

Not true. White privilege is used to single out white people and marginalize their accomplishments and encourage self-shaming. If it were to be used to spread awareness about how not everyone is on an equal playing field, people would say "I'm at a disadvantage", not use a label to single people out and make them feel less of themselves.

Imagine if you're training everyday for a race, running every morning at 6:00 AM, working out every other day, putting in a lot of time and effort and investing you life into it. And when the race comes, and you win, imagine hearing people say to you, "You only won because you have longer legs than me", are you really going to be okay with hearing that? That your win was only attributed to your genetics and not also due to the sheer work you put into it? Apply that to studying for a Google interview and landing a job or getting into the college you wanted. No one wants to hear that.

Yes, luck is a factor, yes other people are born with more opportunities than others, but you want to spread the awareness of this, you don't go around insulting or shaming people due to factors they can't control.

Maybe it's because I just got laid, but you're completely full of shit. No one says that. You are just thin skinned.