Poll of the Day > Do you like this person: George Washington

(+) Yeah! (+)

Washington is definitely a person I respect, as long as the history books I had to read were accurate. Still, leading the charge to make our country independent and establishing arguably the best political system in the world that still works nearly 300 years later is astonishing.

The Rock: 80.7%
Will Smith: 69.5%
Michael Jordan: 67.4%
Bernie Sanders: 66.7%
Michael Jackson: 62.5%
Gabe Newell: 56.6%
Barack Obama: 54%
Adam Sandler: 52.5%
Katy Perry: 38.5%
Bill Nye: 39.1%
Donald J. Trump: 32.3%
Hillary Clinton: 22.8%
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There doesn't seem to be as much discussion as there was with a children's tv host virtue signaling about made up genders :/
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x_IM8PuCxM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV4UpCq2azs
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7iVsdRbhnc

All hail the king
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Never met him
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MICHALECOLE posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7iVsdRbhnc

He's coming... He's coming... He's coming...

This is an important video. I'm glad it was posted.

Snuggletoof posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7iVsdRbhnc

He's coming... He's coming... He's coming...

This is an important video. I'm glad it was posted.

One of my favorite internet videos ever

Such nostalgia

MICHALECOLE posted...

Snuggletoof posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7iVsdRbhnc

He's coming... He's coming... He's coming...

This is an important video. I'm glad it was posted.

One of my favorite internet videos ever

Such nostalgia

Exactly, i came in here to post that. Glad someone else got to it first.
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I respect him, but he was on the opposite side of the war to what my people were, so I don't like him. Also, look what his legacy became :(
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The Neely bros video says it all.
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Mead posted...

Never met him

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People like George Washington, for example, are doing some really great work and I notice their being recognized more and more.
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He was a grossly overrated and pretty poor general, most famous for a few daring escapades that luckily brought great success but could have easily gone horribly awry.

As president though, he was great. Could have effectively been made king but instead voluntarily gave up power after two terms, and wisely warned about the formation of political parties on his way out.

He did also own slaves, and I can understand someone disliking him for that. But most wealthy white landowners at the time did, and I don't recall him being a particularly harsh master, unlike say...all around fecal stain of a human being Andrew Jackson... (who ironically was a great general and utterly horrible president)

Yes, I like him.

streamofthesky posted...

Could have effectively been made king but instead voluntarily gave up power after two terms,

Kind of a myth.

streamofthesky posted...

wisely warned about the formation of political parties on his way out.

The founding fathers were concerned about parties from the get-go but, given that factions will always exist, it's nearly impossible to avoid the formation of either parties or de facto parties in any vaguely democratic system.

streamofthesky posted...

He did also own slaves, and I can understand someone disliking him for that. But most wealthy white landowners at the time did, and I don't recall him being a particularly harsh master,

And yet for some reason Jefferson catches flack for it.

streamofthesky posted...

Andrew Jackson... (who ironically was a great general and utterly horrible president)

Except he wasn't actually a bad president. Historically, he's been rated pretty favorably, routinely scoring top 10 positions when historians, etc, were polled (and, even when he wasn't top10, he was still top13 at worst). This is another really shitty myth largely spawned and perpetuated by SJWs who dislike the darker parts of his legacy because, as a person, he was kinda awful.

Granted, I should cut you some leeway because I thought Johnson was an awful president yet his ratings -- while worse than Jackson's every time except the C-Span polls -- were reasonably okay
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Zeus posted...

streamofthesky posted...

Andrew Jackson... (who ironically was a great general and utterly horrible president)

Except he wasn't actually a bad president. Historically, he's been rated pretty favorably, routinely scoring top 10 positions when historians, etc, were polled (and, even when he wasn't top10, he was still top13 at worst). This is another really shitty myth largely spawned and perpetuated by SJWs who dislike the darker parts of his legacy because, as a person, he was kinda awful.

Nope, not letting this one go with your dismissive, "it's a myth."
Andrew Jackson is one of if not THE worst president we've ever had, and I covered why in detail in a topic you posted in asking if Trump is the worst president we've ever had, and you didn't have jack shit to say about my comments back then.
I'm not typing out an essay again, but in summary as president, he committed ethnic cleansing (arguably genocide), pioneered nearly everything we hate about politics (spoils system, mudslinging lying campaign ads, etc...), and single-handedly caused the worst economic crisis in U.S. history before the Great Depression took the spot a century later (caused by many actors and factors).

Zeus posted...

And yet for some reason Jefferson catches flack for it

Didn't Jefferson extensively write pseudo science perpetuating the myth of black inferiority and justifying the treatment of black people? From my understanding he was a huge racist even by the standards of the time. There's a difference between just accepting life as unfair and simply denying that a problem exists.

And was Washington the guy who killed people in their sleep on Christmas or was that someone else.
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streamofthesky posted...

Zeus posted...

streamofthesky posted...

Andrew Jackson... (who ironically was a great general and utterly horrible president)

Except he wasn't actually a bad president. Historically, he's been rated pretty favorably, routinely scoring top 10 positions when historians, etc, were polled (and, even when he wasn't top10, he was still top13 at worst). This is another really shitty myth largely spawned and perpetuated by SJWs who dislike the darker parts of his legacy because, as a person, he was kinda awful.

Nope, not letting this one go with your dismissive, "it's a myth."
Andrew Jackson is one of if not THE worst president we've ever had, and I covered why in detail in a topic you posted in asking if Trump is the worst president we've ever had, and you didn't have jack shit to say about my comments back then.
I'm not typing out an essay again, but in summary as president, he committed ethnic cleansing (arguably genocide), pioneered nearly everything we hate about politics (spoils system, mudslinging lying campaign ads, etc...), and single-handedly caused the worst economic crisis in U.S. history before the Great Depression took the spot a century later (caused by many actors and factors).

I don't remember seeing your post but, like I already said, historians disagree with you. (If you want to learn why they disagree, feel free to read up on it.) And America's repeated policies of "ethnic cleansing" (which, by the way, is a massive stretch in virtually every sense) were a large part of why whites were able to settle across the continent and were certainly not limited to Jackson by any stretch. And do you honestly believe that mudslinging wasn't a thing before Jackson? rolfmao! Jefferson famously called Adams, "a blind, bald, crippled, toothless man who is a hideous hermaphroditic character with neither the force and fitness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman."

Keep in mind that he also headed off a major secession during his time. And he was VERY staunchly anti-corruption, having taken considerable efforts to enact reforms.
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TheOrangeMisfit posted...

There doesn't seem to be as much discussion as there was with a children's tv host virtue signaling about made up genders :/

no wonder chicks don't like you lol
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DirtBasedSoap posted...

TheOrangeMisfit posted...

There doesn't seem to be as much discussion as there was with a children's tv host virtue signaling about made up genders :/

no wonder chicks don't like you lol

It must be because I identify as a jar of mayonnaise <_>
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DirtBasedSoap posted...

TheOrangeMisfit posted...

There doesn't seem to be as much discussion as there was with a children's tv host virtue signaling about made up genders :/

no wonder chicks don't like you lol

You mean why "chicks" don't like him. >_>
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Zeus posted...

I don't remember seeing your post but, like I already said, historians disagree with you. (If you want to learn why they disagree, feel free to read up on it.) And America's repeated policies of "ethnic cleansing" (which, by the way, is a massive stretch in virtually every sense) were a large part of why whites were able to settle across the continent and were certainly not limited to Jackson by any stretch. And do you honestly believe that mudslinging wasn't a thing before Jackson? rolfmao! Jefferson famously called Adams, "a blind, bald, crippled, toothless man who is a hideous hermaphroditic character with neither the force and fitness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman."

Keep in mind that he also headed off a major secession during his time. And he was VERY staunchly anti-corruption, having taken considerable efforts to enact reforms.

No, spare me the bs "repeated" ethnic cleansings. I'm talking the fucking Trail of Tears, where Natives were forcibly removed from their homeland and marched under brutal conditions out west, resulting in staggering amounts of deaths along the way. There is no other single event in our history as remotely plainly evil as that.
You seem to be mixing up insulting opponents with true mudslinging, where often it's not even you but people working for you starting rumors against your opponent to assassinate his character. And whether or not it existed before that election, Jackson took it much farther than anyone else ever had (as did his opponent, but at least those attacks tended to be true).
Anti-corruption?! I bet you think trump is anti-corruption, too! Jackson INVENTED the Spoils System, giving all the top posts to allies and party members and shutting out the opposition. Before him, presidents actually didn't do that. And for all his bluster about the big banks, his solution to them was to have state banks...conspicuously run by friends of his. What a champion of anti-corruption! (on a related note, he was also the first slimy U.S. politician to master having a populist, "I'm one of the people" campaigns despite being quite wealthy in reality)

streamofthesky posted...

No, spare me the bs "repeated" ethnic cleansings. I'm talking the fucking Trail of Tears, where Natives were forcibly removed from their homeland and marched under brutal conditions out west, resulting in staggering amounts of deaths along the way. There is no other single event in our history as remotely plainly evil as that.

Except for the fact that natives were REPEATED forced to relocate in similar manner and, as far as atrocities against the native population go, it lacks the methodological cruelty of the forced sterlilization program and the outright inhumanity of the boarding school initiative. And, as for other single evil events, you seem to forget that we had our version of concentration camps during WWII.

streamofthesky posted...

You seem to be mixing up insulting opponents with true mudslinging, where often it's not even you but people working for you starting rumors against your opponent to assassinate his character. And whether or not it existed before that election, Jackson took it much farther than anyone else ever had (as did his opponent, but at least those attacks tended to be true).

I'd like to sample a few lyrics from Hamilton to convey how wrong that idea is:
" I'll write under a pseudonym / You'll see what I can do to him"

The use of malicious lies, both published and spread in social circles, is a tactic dating back to the founding of this nation. Hamilton famously used it to derail Aaron Burr's political ambitions, costing him the governorship and an eventual presidency.

streamofthesky posted...

Anti-corruption?! I bet you think trump is anti-corruption, too! Jackson INVENTED the Spoils System, giving all the top posts to allies and party members and shutting out the opposition. Before him, presidents actually didn't do that. And for all his bluster about the big banks, his solution to them was to have state banks...conspicuously run by friends of his. What a champion of anti-corruption! (on a related note, he was also the first slimy U.S. politician to master having a populist, "I'm one of the people" campaigns despite being quite wealthy in reality)

Except that your false narrative overlooks the fact that he shut down the widely exploited existing sources of corruption, from corporate charters (where legislators enriched themselves) to the national bank (which, among other things, used government-backed dark money to finance candidates). He expelled countless corrupt individuals but you seem to ignore that fact as well. As for your complaints about populism, many of Jackson's complaints were echoed by the likes of Teddy Roosevelt and others who recognized the widespread corruption and conflict of interests.

As for your complaint about how some of these individuals were replaced, what, would you replace the corrupt guy at the top with the corrupt guy underneath him? The faces might change in that instance but the stench would remain.
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