Current Events > Honestly if Jeb! or Kasic primaried against Trump I would register as a Rep

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Just to throw my support for him to not be the candidate. So tired of the circus he brings

Except nobody is going to compete against trump because he will have abolished the government by then
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I do wonder why with all the lefty mobilization this isn't a thing that's been tried.

Flood the GOP with moderate/liberal Republicans, and register groups of liberals/leftists to vote for them in primaries.
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Doom_Art posted...

I do wonder why with all the lefty mobilization this isn't a thing that's been tried.

Flood the GOP with moderate/liberal Republicans, and register groups of liberals/leftists to vote for them in primaries.

It was jokes about during 2012 primary

Doom_Art posted...

Flood the GOP with moderate/liberal Republicans

In comparison to Trump, this happened in 2016.

They have winner-take-all primaries.
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GOP has winner take all primaries, and they don't have superdelegates to act as an emergency switch.

Antifar posted...

Doom_Art posted...

Flood the GOP with moderate/liberal Republicans

In comparison to Trump, this happened in 2016.

They have winner-take-all primaries.

I remember reading that they changed the rules to that to compete AGAINST Trump and it ended up helping him with Florida. I think only state it hurt him was Ohio

No one in the GOP will run against Trump. Stop falling for these pipe dreams.

You should be more concerned about the DNC putting forward some loser like Elizabeth Warren or Nancy Pelosi. Or god help you, Hillary or Bernie again.
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Maybe Kanye will be running against the democrats in 2020 lol ugh

Mal_Fet posted...

No one in the GOP will run against Trump. Stop falling for these pipe dreams.

I guess if he resigns under threat of impeachment that could be true

Glass_Phantom posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

No one in the GOP will run against Trump. Stop falling for these pipe dreams.

I guess if he resigns under threat of impeachment that could be true

Stop falling for these pipe dreams.

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Jeb doesn't come across as a president. More like an office manager.

Mal_Fet posted...

No one in the GOP will run against Trump. Stop falling for these pipe dreams.

You're acting like an incumbent has never faced a primary challenge before?

Trump isn't exactly well-regarded by several factions in the GOP.

If Trump's idiocy continues to dominate the news and drive their favorables down, it's not outside the realm of possibility that a candidate from a different faction of the GOP would mount a challenge.

I'm not saying it will happen or that it's even likely to happen (much less actually succeeding), but it's more of a possibility than it was for someone like Obama or Bush


Mal_Fet posted...

Elizabeth Warren or Nancy Pelosi. Or god help you, Hillary or Bernie again.

A) Nancy Pelosi will never run for President or be drafted to run. Ever. I will stake my wife's life on it.
B) I never understood the (what can be best described as rabid) obsession with Warren and Clinton on the right. You guys talk about these people more than actual lefties do.
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Kasich was my choice for president. Such a shame.
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Mal_Fet posted...

No one in the GOP will run against Trump. Stop falling for these pipe dreams.

You should be more concerned about the DNC putting forward some loser like Elizabeth Warren or Nancy Pelosi. Or god help you, Hillary or Bernie again.

Al Franken is the one I'd want. Unfortunately, he already declined running for 2020.
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FWIW: I think someone will primary Trump, but not a chance Jeb Bush is running against a sitting GOP president.

My best guess is it will be a younger or lesser-known Republican looking to make a good name for themselves as "the anti-Trump Republican." Most of their opposition to him will be symbolic rather than substantive. I'd say Ben Sasse is a good guess, but my hunch is he's too chickenshit.

At any rate, I will not be registering with the Republican Party to deliver my support to this challenger.
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The Rock 2020
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Sayoria posted...

Al Franken is the one I'd want. Unfortunately, he already declined running for 2020.

"I am not running for President" - Every presidential candidate 3 and a half years before the next election

Antifar posted...

FWIW: I think someone will primary Trump, but not a chance Jeb Bush is running against a sitting GOP president.

My best guess is it will be a younger or lesser-known Republican looking to make a good name for themselves as "the anti-Trump Republican." Most of their opposition to him will be symbolic rather than substantive. I'd say Ben Sasse is a good guess, but my hunch is he's too chickenshit.

This is an interesting point. I've thought of Ben Sasse myself, but I don't know. I think you may be right. Doesn't have the balls.

Whoever it is, they'll run against Trump in 2020, probably lose, then if Trump completely shits the urinal (if he wins the election again) they'll already have the anti-Trump street cred to run on in 2024
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Mainly: I'll start taking GOP opposition to Trump seriously if any of them start meaningfully opposing his agenda and not just his Tweets.
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Antifar posted...

Mainly: I'll start taking GOP opposition to Trump seriously if any of them start meaningfully opposing his agenda and not just his Tweets.

Lol McCain and his sister Senator are so tiring

Ben Sasse is my senator, and he's the kind of guy who makes "poll tested" swings against Trump but never puts his money where his mouth is and mainly is just posturing for his 2020 or 2024 run.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Bernie

Bernie would B Trump TFO

Most popular politician vs. least popular politician, lel
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tehzeldafanboy posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Bernie

Bernie would B Trump TFO

Most popular politician vs. least popular politician, lel

Most popular among white college brats.

Also, none of his shitty past came out in the primaries, and Trump will go for the throat if he runs.

This isn't the sort of atmosphere to nominate a guy who praised Venezuelan bread lines. Just a fair warning to ya.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Most popular among white college brats.

I mean if we're playing the base game, Trump is most popular amongst white high school dropouts
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Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in the country, full stop

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/329404-poll-bernie-sanders-countrys-most-popular-active-politician
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Doom_Art posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Most popular among white college brats.

I mean if we're playing the base game, Trump is most popular amongst white high school dropouts

And, ya know, workers.
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Mal_Fet posted...

And, ya know, workers.

Uneducated, poor white high school dropouts who couldn't leave their hometowns and make something of their lives.
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Doom_Art posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

And, ya know, workers.

Uneducated, poor white high school dropouts who couldn't leave their hometowns and make something of their lives.

And people wonder why workers stopped voting for people who think like you, lol

It's gonna a a rough 8 years for ya.
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Mal_Fet posted...

And people wonder why workers stopped voting for people who think like you, lol

You wanted to play the "denigrate the opposing side's base", so that's what I did. :P

Great respect for blue collar workers. Come from a long line of them myself.

I'm just saying by saying only "white college brats" support Sanders, you're being rather stupid and intellectually lazy.
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CruelBuffalo posted...

Maybe Kanye will be running against the democrats in 2020 lol ugh

He pushed back to 2024. Needs more time to prepare
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Mal_Fet posted...

And people wonder why workers stopped voting for people who think like you, lol

You 100% asked for that comment by playing identity politics
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Doom_Art posted...

You wanted to play the "denigrate the opposing side's base", so that's what I did. :P

Difference is I gave you an accurate depiction of Bernie's voting base.
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DezCaughtIt posted...

You 100% asked for that comment by playing identity politics

Conservatives like Mal love their identity politics :P

Mal_Fet posted...

Difference is I gave you an accurate depiction of Bernie's voting base.

Doom_Art posted...

I'm just saying by saying only "white college brats" support Sanders, you're being rather stupid and intellectually lazy.

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Mal_Fet posted...

And, ya know, workers.

a.k.a the least educated and least motivated group out there. Much as we can go back and forth making fun of white liberal college kids (which believe me I am not a huge fan of) it can't be denied at least they look towards the future instead of eating up the lies like "coal is gonna make a big comeback". The blue collar workers of America have their strengths, political knowledge is far from one of them.
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Unquestionable posted...

The blue collar workers of America have their strengths, political knowledge is far from one of them.

You say, after you praise the political acumen of 18 year-old wannabe Marxists who wear Che shirts.
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I think we can manage this topic without hating on the working class.
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Mal_Fet posted...

You say, as you praise the political acumen of 18 year-old wannabe Marxists who wear Che shirts.

I said they look towards the future and don't blindly think it's 1950. The future means different things to different people and for me it doesn't mean thinking manufacturing jobs are coming back. Personally I think they could do a hell of a lot of good employing people to help fix the shitty infrastructure a lot of the country has but that would require either increasing taxes or god forbid taking some money away from the military.
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Antifar posted...

I think we can manage this topic without hating on the working class.

Question: How much does it trouble you as a Marxist (as I assume you are) to see the American left be so hostile toward the proletariat?
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Unquestionable posted...

I said they look towards the future and don't blindly think it's 1950.

In their minds, Roe v. Wade isn't a thing, that women are the victims of a wage gap, that black people are still being lynched by police, gays are in constant danger of being attacked, and the KKK march fearlessly in the streets.

Are you sure they don't think it's 1950?
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Mal_Fet posted...

In their minds, Roe v. Wade isn't a thing, that women are the victims of a wage gap, that black people are still being lynched by police, gays are in constant danger of being attacked, and the KKK march fearlessly in the streets.

Are you sure they don't think it's 1950?

Thank you for the intellectual dishonesty, that's why I come to watch you post. Let's ignore all nuance and make the argument about them "libruals" and how silly they are rather than how the GOP needs to find a hook and to stay true to their values and look ahead instead of parroting empty rhetoric about recapturing an era that is long gone.

Posts and be constructive Mal not all about winning an argument. Let's try and be productive and actually name ideas instead of attacking what we presume about each other. I mentioned focusing on infrastructure, now you name an idea instead of attacking a broad ideology.
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CruelBuffalo posted...

Just to throw my support for him to not be the candidate. So tired of the circus he brings

Maybe if every Clinton supporter did that we could get a good Dem. nominee.

Sojy posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

Just to throw my support for him to not be the candidate. So tired of the circus he brings

Maybe if every Clinton supporter did that we could get a good Dem. nominee.

We did have one.