Board 8 > Game of Thrones Season 7 - The lone wolf dies... (SPOILERS)

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xp1337 posted...

I actually believe him here. He might be lying about the whole "not scheme" bit he promised to, but I take his motives at face value here.

Jeff Zero posted...

There's no chance Varys isn't telling the truth.

I don't disagree, BUT this is just how he plays the game of thrones. He truly does believe in what he says, but it is still entirely for self-preservation.

The point is, if Dany starts burning everything, he'll find a way to agree with it.
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foolm0r0n posted...

The point is, if Dany starts burning everything, he'll find a way to agree with it.

Tyrion is there for sure. I have hopes Varys won't be so blind to Dany Sue, but you're probably right.
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It does seem like they are setting up a Dany vs Varys thing when she says "if I ever start going against the people..." which is obviously more like a "when"
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varys might become team (fairly well known production spoilers) gendry

unless somehow he learns that R+L=J and does decide to back jon (bran is the only one who could state it now, right? littlefinger seemed like he knew in 5x04 or 5x05, but he hasn't hinted at it again since then)
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I just looked up the timeline of the books. I had no idea that one of them came out only a year after the last!
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SeabassDebeste posted...

varys might become team (fairly well known production spoilers) gendry

unless somehow he learns that R+L=J and does decide to back jon (bran is the only one who could state it now, right? littlefinger seemed like he knew in 5x04 or 5x05, but he hasn't hinted at it again since then)

The books have a character who knows who hasn't shown up yet. I don't know if he's part of the show's chronology, though.
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Anagram posted...

I just looked up the timeline of the books. I had no idea that one of them came out only a year after the last!

The best and longest book, too.
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SeabassDebeste posted...

varys might become team (fairly well known production spoilers) gendry

unless somehow he learns that R+L=J and does decide to back jon (bran is the only one who could state it now, right? littlefinger seemed like he knew in 5x04 or 5x05, but he hasn't hinted at it again since then)

The books have a character who knows who hasn't shown up yet. I don't know if he's part of the show's chronology, though.

he isn't, guaranteed. varys backs him and not dany in the books.
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Howland Reed probably knows. He was shown in the Tower of Joy scene, right?
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Aegon is so, so, so not going to be a thing in the show, yeah.

EndOfDiscOne posted...

Howland Reed probably knows. He was shown in the Tower of Joy scene, right?

Not only that, but Meera also name-checked him when she and Bran were brought into Castle Black last week and Edd asked who they were. She really didn't have to. So there's a chance he factors before the end.

I reckon Bran will be the voice here, though. There's a high chance he's in Winterfell by 7x04.
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SeabassDebeste posted...

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SeabassDebeste posted...

varys might become team (fairly well known production spoilers) gendry

unless somehow he learns that R+L=J and does decide to back jon (bran is the only one who could state it now, right? littlefinger seemed like he knew in 5x04 or 5x05, but he hasn't hinted at it again since then)

The books have a character who knows who hasn't shown up yet. I don't know if he's part of the show's chronology, though.

he isn't, guaranteed. varys backs him and not dany in the books.

I meant Reed.
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he wasn't *in* the tower but he was there outside, yeah. meera does name-drop him in 7x01, so it'll probably be both him and bran dropping the rhaegar-bomb. good call.
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Euron has to be poisoned right? Took many slices for dornish blades.
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I can't believe I'm saying this, but I really liked the episode. 9/10. There's some things I'm worried about -- if there's no cost to the operation being performed on Joran, I'm going to be very disappointed; the cynical side of me still goes "killing off loose ends/10"; and the stuff in the North was kind of bad (I really thought they were building up to sending Sansa, which would have made sense, but NOPE JON GOTTA JON) -- but all in all, it was well done.

XP posted...

The whole Grey Worm/Missandei plot taking up all that time.

I mean, I still think of Missandei as being all of 10, but I thought the scene was pretty touching? My one complaint is that the nudity took away from the emotional impact somewhat, but it's GoT. Boobies gotta boob.

I do agree the fight scene was over-the-top, but tbh I'm okay with that? It doesn't fit ASoIaF, no, but it does fit GoT.
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Corrik posted...

Euron has to be poisoned right? Took many slices for dornish blades.

Ehh, he surprised them. No time to poison their stuff.
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dowolf posted...

(I really thought they were building up to sending Sansa, which would have made sense, but NOPE JON GOTTA JON

While it would have been a smart choice (Dany loves ladies in power), there must always be a Stark in Winterfell.
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dowolf giving a rare episode one of three scores I give to most episodes! (The others being 8 and 10)
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They might be setting up DanyxJon

Can't do that with Sansa
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Corrik posted...

Euron has to be poisoned right? Took many slices for dornish blades.

yes but his chronic alcoholism made his body immune
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Anagram posted...

They might be setting up DanyxJon

Can't do that with Sansa

Sure they can, HBO won't mind.
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I just realized, does Cersei know that Ellaria killed her daughter? Jaime does, but he's not as cruel.
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I don't think cruelty factors into it.

She murdered his daughter. That's an execution at best.
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Anagram posted...

I just realized, does Cersei know that Ellaria killed her daughter? Jaime does, but he's not as cruel.

She's well aware.

See also: what I said earlier about how fucked Ellaria and especially Tyene are.
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Why is Tyene screwed more than Ellaria? Ellaria's the one who kissed blond daughter, right?
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Tyene is more dispensable
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Honestly the only reason I can imagine them not just killing Ellaria is to use her to make Dorne surrender or something, which would be a stretch.
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Tyene is 100% screwed because Cersei gets to kill her in front of her daughter like how Myrcella died in front of Jaime. Ellaria is 90% screwed because there has to be a 10% reduction after a death flag like Tyene's.
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Anagram posted...

Why is Tyene screwed more than Ellaria? Ellaria's the one who kissed blond daughter, right?

Tyene is Ellaria's daughter.

Ellaria killed Cersei's daughter.

Uh oh Tyene.
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They both might die, but Cersei is going to do unimaginable things to Tyene and make Ellaria watch first.

She might keep her around after just to torture her more.
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yeah they really hammered in that "mama" stuff right before just in case you somehow forgot
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I also worry about one of my favs, Olenna.

They need to do something to weaken Dany because right now she's boring and OP, even with Dorne maybe out of the picture. Jaime was talking to Randyll Tarly, who I could see possibly dispatching of Olenna (well not dispatching - but maybe taking her to the queen to answer for treason) thus removing all of Dany's allies.
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Folks who find Daenerys boring and/or OP won't be satisfied, I think. This was the big blow against her, IMO. Take it or leave it. Unless they're planning on straight up killing Tyrion, this is probably it.
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Well, correction. I expect the dragon head count to go down a bit before the end.
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Nooo, Olenna must be the one true winner of the Game of Thrones. From the ashes of Dany's wake, a thorny bush will grow.
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The old Tyrell lady isn't making it to the end of the series, too. Jorah is also a possible death.

Tyrion, Jon, and Dany are surviving to the last season at least.
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mnkboy907 posted...

a thorny bush will grow.

oh
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I think it gets worse for Dany before it gets better, actually. Especially with five episodes left.

Why would they possibly kill Tyrion when they could cripple her just as much if not more by removing some ancillary characters instead? Either something goes bad at Casterly Rock (considering Grey Worm and Missandei hooked up I could see that too as his character arc is basically over now) or she loses the rest of her alliance in the form of Lady Olenna being imprisoned and Randyll Tarly uniting her former lords under him instead. Then we actually have a fight for the final couple of episodes.
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Olenna either dies this year or survives the show. She's the least likely wightbait in Westeros.
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MariaTaylor posted...

mnkboy907 posted...

a thorny bush will grow.

oh

I mean I could've said a rose, but all I remembered is she's the Queen of Thorns, so I wasn't sure if rose would've been the right symbolism.
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Oh yeah, I give Olenna relatively low odds unless she clings to Daenerys' location and I give Grey Worm 50/50. It's important to remember that the show has started playing with audience expectations of tragedy in recent years. Hot Pie outlives "don't get killed," Jorah has a fighting chance, Sam promises he won't die during the Battle at Castle Black and doesn't die. They might be setting up audience shock when Grey Worm lives. I know the media is already acting like he's hosed, for one.
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I too think Tyene and Ellaria will suffer terrible deaths having to watch one another die.

But does anyone believe Yara has a shot at living?
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mnkboy907 posted...

MariaTaylor posted...

mnkboy907 posted...

a thorny bush will grow.

oh

I mean I could've said a rose, but all I remembered is she's the Queen of Thorns, so I wasn't sure if rose would've been the right symbolism.

Their banner is a golden rose so it would've worked just fine!
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Yara's a wild card to me. I don't know. I really just do not know. I'm not sure if we're gonna see a "Theon re-redeemed" angle where he rescues her violently (and possibly, for him, fatally) or what.
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junk_funk posted...

I too think Tyene and Ellaria will suffer terrible deaths having to watch one another die.

But does anyone believe Yara has a shot at living?

Kinda sorta.

It would be weird for Euron to keep her alive honestly.

BUT it would complete Theon's character arc to rescue his sister from his uncle after he NOPE'D out of there (rightfully so, tbqh) at the end of last episode.

So I'm not sure what to think about her. Could go either way.
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At this point I don't think Theon really deserves another redemption. He's just the way he is now, and he has to live or die with it. There's probably something there to him rescuing Sansa but not Yara, like to his core he really was more of a Stark than a Greyjoy or something.
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I think he acted based on deep PTSD but there still exists some real logic and wisdom in his "fuck this, abandon thread" dive. Myranda was a lithe, petulant young woman who barely even registered Theon was there before he threw her over the wall back in Winterfell. Euron is a cold-blooded monster-class killer with his knife to Yara's throat and probably seventeen plots to dispatch Theon within six steps of him.
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Wouldn't Theon be the obvious king of the Iron Islands if his sister and Euron both die?
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Anagram posted...

Wouldn't Theon be the obvious king of the Iron Islands if his sister and Euron both die?

He'd hate that so much that I wouldn't be surprised if it happened anyway.
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Who even controls the kingdom the Baratheons used to control? It can't be Cersei since she calls herself a Lannister.
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