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SupremeZero
07/13/17 5:02:16 PM
#51:


red sox 777 posted...
That people are getting overexcited about this and this is far from an open and shut case in the justice system.

In the court of public opinion, people have believed that Russia supported Trump since before the election, so this doesn't change much there either. Didn't Trump openly tweet during the campaign, calling for Putin to release HRC's emails? Nothing's changed, fundamentally.

Except that someone responded.
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Jakyl25
07/13/17 5:03:00 PM
#52:


red sox 777 posted...
Didn't Trump openly tweet during the campaign, calling for Putin to release HRC's emails?


Press conference, to be precise.

LOL remember at the time his defense force was like "it's obviously a joke because there's no connection between them in reality."

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LapisLazuli
07/13/17 5:03:10 PM
#53:


This would be so much eaasier if sox hadn't straight up admitted that half his posts are bullshit. You never know when he's serious or not.
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Jakyl25
07/13/17 5:04:44 PM
#54:


red sox 777 posted...
That people are getting overexcited about this and this is far from an open and shut case in the justice system.


My excitement about this is that it's an incontrovertible key piece of evidence that could immensely help the investigations connect more dots when added to what they turn up on their own.
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red sox 777
07/13/17 5:04:49 PM
#55:


SupremeZero posted...
red sox 777 posted...
That people are getting overexcited about this and this is far from an open and shut case in the justice system.

In the court of public opinion, people have believed that Russia supported Trump since before the election, so this doesn't change much there either. Didn't Trump openly tweet during the campaign, calling for Putin to release HRC's emails? Nothing's changed, fundamentally.

Except that someone responded.


If the crime is solicitation it doesn't matter if anyone responded. If the crime is actual acceptance of the info, there's no evidence that occurred (at least from the emails).
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SupremeZero
07/13/17 5:06:16 PM
#56:


red sox 777 posted...
SupremeZero posted...
red sox 777 posted...
That people are getting overexcited about this and this is far from an open and shut case in the justice system.

In the court of public opinion, people have believed that Russia supported Trump since before the election, so this doesn't change much there either. Didn't Trump openly tweet during the campaign, calling for Putin to release HRC's emails? Nothing's changed, fundamentally.

Except that someone responded.


If the crime is solicitation it doesn't matter if anyone responded. If the crime is actual acceptance of the info, there's no evidence that occurred (at least from the emails).

He asked. They responded. His son responded back. We've added two extra steps.
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xp1337
07/13/17 5:08:14 PM
#57:


I'd have to double-check to be sure, but isn't the timeline on this backwards?

I thought the e-mail chain (and subsequent meeting) occurred before that press conference. But that the campaign's talking point of the number of e-mails (which was the subject of the press conference) only started up immediately after the meeting.
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red sox 777
07/13/17 5:08:49 PM
#58:


BTW, I read a new defense today, saying that it couldn't have been Putin, because if it was, Putin would have made sure that we didn't know about or couldn't trace it to him.
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Mr Lasastryke
07/13/17 5:09:18 PM
#59:


is junior playing 5D chess? i guess he's the next generation so he goes one step further than his father.
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SupremeZero
07/13/17 5:09:48 PM
#60:


red sox 777 posted...
BTW, I read a new defense today, saying that it couldn't have been Putin, because if it was, Putin would have made sure that we didn't know about or couldn't trace it to him.


By what, assassinating Trump Jr? Cuz this wasn't leaked on his end, and part of the argument about it not being Putin originally was that we didn't have a direct link to him. So really, that argument is in favor of it being Putin.
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Jakyl25
07/13/17 5:09:55 PM
#61:


xp1337 posted...
I'd have to double-check to be sure, but isn't the timeline on this backwards?

I thought the e-mail chain (and subsequent meeting) occurred before that press conference. But that the campaign's talking point of the number of e-mails (which was the subject of the press conference) only started up immediately after the meeting.


Feel free to double check but I'm pretty sure "Russia, if you're listening" was later in the summer
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xp1337
07/13/17 5:10:54 PM
#62:


well if there's one thing we know about humans it's that they are capable of creating and executing completely perfect plans without any flaws so i guess that closes the case
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dowolf
07/13/17 5:12:13 PM
#63:


Jakyl25 posted...
xp1337 posted...
I'd have to double-check to be sure, but isn't the timeline on this backwards?

I thought the e-mail chain (and subsequent meeting) occurred before that press conference. But that the campaign's talking point of the number of e-mails (which was the subject of the press conference) only started up immediately after the meeting.


Feel free to double check but I'm pretty sure "Russia, if you're listening" was later in the summer

Jul 27th.
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LordoftheMorons
07/13/17 5:18:34 PM
#64:


BCRA whip count update:

Heller no longer appears to be a definite 'no.'

Collins and Paul look very unlikely to support it, but everyone else seems undecided even if they have clear large problems with the bill.
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Ashethan
07/13/17 5:24:11 PM
#65:


red sox 777 posted...
BTW, I read a new defense today, saying that it couldn't have been Putin, because if it was, Putin would have made sure that we didn't know about or couldn't trace it to him.


Then Hillary obviously didn't have Seth Rich killed. Because if she had, it would have actually looked like a robbery, and (according to those who say it was her) it didn't look like a robbery, therefore it wasn't Hillary.
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dowolf
07/13/17 5:25:19 PM
#66:


LordoftheMorons posted...
BCRA whip count update:

Heller no longer appears to be a definite 'no.'

Collins and Paul look very unlikely to support it, but everyone else seems undecided even if they have clear large problems with the bill.

Murkowski's been mollified by the changes, then?
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LordoftheMorons
07/13/17 5:28:07 PM
#67:


I don't think anybody's been able to get a clear statement from Murkowski (that I've seen at least), but apparently she and Sullivan got some provision included that would help Alaska specifically. I don't know if it's enough for her given that all of the Medicaid cuts remain (and I certainly have more faith in her sticking up for her principles than I do for Heller), but until she makes a definitive statement saying that the current version isn't good enough I'm not putting her in the 'no' column.
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LordoftheMorons
07/13/17 5:44:19 PM
#68:


Is everybody Trump hires a psycho?

https://twitter.com/JustinElliott/status/885599078293352448
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LapisLazuli
07/13/17 5:47:37 PM
#69:


Why does Trump's lawyer have the typography of Corrik?
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dowolf
07/13/17 5:48:35 PM
#70:


To be fair, if you don't want someone to snap at you, refraining from randomly emailing them to demand they do things is a good first step.
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SupremeZero
07/13/17 5:49:55 PM
#71:


dowolf posted...
To be fair, if you don't want someone to snap at you, refraining from randomly emailing them to demand they do things is a good first step.

Have you SEEN Kasowitz?

He's fucking old. Like, almost as old as Trump.

This dude used the words "Watch your back, bitch"

Like, that is mind boggling to me. Where's the old fashioned insults?
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LapisLazuli
07/13/17 5:50:38 PM
#72:


....he is the lawyer to the President.
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dowolf
07/13/17 5:52:09 PM
#73:


man there are too many important things to be angry about to be bothered by an old man not being sufficiently old-man-y

like my grammar.
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SupremeZero
07/13/17 5:55:20 PM
#74:


The little things keep you grounded.
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Jakyl25
07/13/17 6:02:03 PM
#76:


Ashethan posted...
red sox 777 posted...
BTW, I read a new defense today, saying that it couldn't have been Putin, because if it was, Putin would have made sure that we didn't know about or couldn't trace it to him.


Then Hillary obviously didn't have Seth Rich killed. Because if she had, it would have actually looked like a robbery, and (according to those who say it was her) it didn't look like a robbery, therefore it wasn't Hillary.


I dunno. Remember, she was crafty enough to get 3 million illegal votes, but also dumb enough to put them all in California
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Eddv
07/13/17 6:04:49 PM
#77:


LordoftheMorons posted...
BCRA whip count update:

Heller no longer appears to be a definite 'no.'

Collins and Paul look very unlikely to support it, but everyone else seems undecided even if they have clear large problems with the bill.


I think youll see all of them hold out for the new new CBO score
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Jakyl25
07/13/17 6:05:12 PM
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Jakyl25
07/13/17 6:06:02 PM
#79:


Eddv posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
BCRA whip count update:

Heller no longer appears to be a definite 'no.'

Collins and Paul look very unlikely to support it, but everyone else seems undecided even if they have clear large problems with the bill.


I think youll see all of them hold out for the new new CBO score


I thought the rumor was they weren't going to do a new CBO score and just blame them as politically biased
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xp1337
07/13/17 6:07:17 PM
#80:


Jakyl25 posted...
I thought the rumor was they weren't going to do a new CBO score and just blame them as politically biased

can't wait for the new "the uninsured number is fake, the savings are real" spin
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Jakyl25
07/13/17 6:08:41 PM
#81:


Yeah here it is

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/341904-senate-gop-may-not-use-cbo-to-score-cruz-amendment

Instead, a member of Senate GOP leadership said analysis from the Trump administration — including the Health and Human Services Department and the White House Office of Management and Budget — might be used instead of the nonpartisan CBO.

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Kenri
07/13/17 6:10:14 PM
#82:


Jakyl25 posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
Is everybody Trump hires a psycho?

https://twitter.com/JustinElliott/status/885599078293352448


https://twitter.com/seanspicer/status/300786700173598722

ngl that's a great shitpost

if only it was intentionally so
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xp1337
07/13/17 6:10:17 PM
#83:


Jakyl25 posted...
Yeah here it is

I can't deny some twisted interest in exactly what kind of score that would produce.
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Jakyl25
07/13/17 6:11:55 PM
#84:


xp1337 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Yeah here it is

I can't deny some twisted interest in exactly what kind of score that would produce.


"It's so good, it'll bring dead people back to life!"
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Eddv
07/13/17 6:14:01 PM
#85:


Jakyl25 posted...
Yeah here it is

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/341904-senate-gop-may-not-use-cbo-to-score-cruz-amendment

Instead, a member of Senate GOP leadership said analysis from the Trump administration — including the Health and Human Services Department and the White House Office of Management and Budget — might be used instead of the nonpartisan CBO.


They cant really....stop the CBO from scoring the bill. Plus the minority can request a score (this happens all the time in NC because the Republican majority doesn't want the effects of their tax cuts on the long term budget deficit to be public so the democrats always have to request it)
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Jakyl25
07/13/17 6:17:22 PM
#86:


They better not be "innaccurate" this time
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Wanglicious
07/13/17 6:22:00 PM
#87:


FFDragon posted...
https://twitter.com/NBCPolitics/status/885536166920978433

JUST IN: Jared Kushner updated list of foreign contacts on federal disclosure form 3 times, adding more than 100 names, NBC News confirms


Silly me, it just slipped my mind. Over 100 times.


sounds like he knows this means FBI now has no issue getting warrants for his computers, phone records, and emails. him and manafort still the one that got thrown into the frying pan here, not Don Jr.

and no it's not an "open-shut" situation, it does however leave the door wide open for any and every investigation possible, at every level. i stand by Jr. didn't commit a crime. he doesn't have clearance, he never testified to Congress, he never said anything under oath. he'll be fine and nothing will come of it to him.

Kushner is the one who lied under oath and currently does have top level clearance. he's the one fucked right now, which is why he's acting the way he did. he's caught.
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Eddv
07/13/17 6:32:46 PM
#88:


I think Junior in his capacity as a member if his father's campaign is potentially still vulnerable to criminal charges.

But yeah the big fish here is Kushner and the only way he's getting off the hook is if hes able to bury Don Sr.

Kushner also has this worry about:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article160803619.html

tldr Theyre looking into the potential that Kushner actively collaborated on digital strategy with Russia. If this sticks (and the over 100 contacts reported today make it sound more likely) then yeah hes guilty of a lot of things and if Trump was complicit or ordered it or okayed it hes also guilty.
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Wanglicious
07/13/17 6:36:45 PM
#89:


if that actually happens then i think the only ones who win in this entire mess are Trump Jr (manages the company), Melania (the new best mother), Eric (the now smart one), and Tiffany (who?).

the thing about Kushner being caught is Ivanka's his favorite. that's a two-for-one hit right there.
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Corrik
07/13/17 6:38:30 PM
#90:


Nothing is gonna happen.
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LapisLazuli
07/13/17 6:46:54 PM
#91:


Thanks for your insight.
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Corrik
07/13/17 6:48:02 PM
#92:


LapisLazuli posted...
Thanks for your insight.

No problem. Been imparting common sense since 1986.
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dowolf
07/13/17 6:50:55 PM
#93:


Eddv posted...


http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article160803619.html

I'm not familiar with this source -- is it trustworthy?
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Jakyl25
07/13/17 7:14:14 PM
#94:


It's the political journalism arm of a huge national newspaper conglomerate.

It's at least as credible as, say, USA Today
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Not_an_Owl
07/13/17 7:20:33 PM
#95:


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/13/us/politics/trump-air-force-one-excerpt-transcript.html

It's been 9 months since the election and he still can't stop talking about Hillary.
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HaRRicH
07/13/17 7:22:35 PM
#96:


Eddv posted...
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article160803619.html

tldr Theyre looking into the potential that Kushner actively collaborated on digital strategy with Russia. If this sticks (and the over 100 contacts reported today make it sound more likely) then yeah hes guilty of a lot of things and if Trump was complicit or ordered it or okayed it hes also guilty.


Not clicking the link since I don't know it and a site recently attacked my phone (damn my curiousity about Mel Brooks turning 90 years old).

That said, there had just been a conversation about Donald and Putin joining forces for cyber security.....
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SupremeZero
07/13/17 7:23:45 PM
#97:


There are many better places to put a solar power plant than along the mexican border, Donny.

In fact, there's a perfect Desert like 50 miles from the border that's big enough to power the country. Go build your solar plants there, rather than upping the already unfeasible maintenance costs of your wall.
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Eddv
07/13/17 7:24:48 PM
#98:


I mean could have gotten the story from NPR where they say "According to McClatchy, thing is happening"

I just figured why not link the source.
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HaRRicH
07/13/17 7:32:55 PM
#99:


Original source-linking is fine, I'm just not familiar with the name...shame on me?
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LordoftheMorons
07/13/17 8:43:53 PM
#100:


Apparently Don Jr is promoting the stupidest possible defense on this, putting him in the company of other great minds like Vlado:
https://twitter.com/TVietor08/status/885633878605443073
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Wanglicious
07/13/17 9:00:36 PM
#101:


if you aren't sure of the place then just use an archive link.

http://archive.is/AUwdH

was apparently done yesterday anyway.
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