Current Events > Do climate change deniers also deny the hole in the ozone layer?

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Just curious if they extend their believe that humans aren't/can't alter the earth the way science says to disbelief in the ozone hole or if it is just climate they think human's can't alter.
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the ozone layer is a space reptile mind control field
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Imagine thinking ozone layer exists
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Isn't the hole in the ozone layer slowly closing up?

just bringing in some positivity
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Overall it is healing, yes.
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Does it really matter if they believe in climate change or not? We are not really going to change how often we reproduce, how much we eat, how often and how far we traverse the world, how dependent we are on various utilities, and so on. I mean I don't deny climate change is happening, and I do turn off the light when I'm not in the room and try not to drive too much, but I still eat food I mostly did not grow myself and Obama, Trump, Gore and other big shots are still flying in their jets around the world.
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Of course it matters. If man made climate change isn't happening there isn't any need for various laws and regulations. If humans are contributing to climate change then additional regulatory requirements seems to make sense.
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

We are not really going to change

We... already changed. We changed when we found out we were poisoning ourselves with lead. We changed when we found out we were destroying the ozone layer. Why wouldn't we change now?
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no one denies climates change, we call them seasons. It's man made global warming people are calling bullshit on. When you only have 1.6% of the papers on global warming actually accusing it on man-made greenhouse gases, that doesn't bring a lot of credibility to your cause.
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NihilistTurian posted...

Isn't the hole in the ozone layer slowly closing up?

just bringing in some positivity

Yes, but not because of some toothless CFC ban.

The hole was actually caused by nuclear testing, and a notable lack of such since the 90s (give or take North Korea) is why the hole is resealing itself.
http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/nuclear-bomb-tests-created-the-holes-in-the-ozone-layer-1-7174504
There used to be better sources, but I can't find them right now.

BillyKidd posted...

no one denies climates change, we call them seasons. It's man made global warming people are calling bullshit on. When you only have 1.6% of the papers on global warming actually accusing it on man-made greenhouse gases, that doesn't bring a lot of credibility to your cause.

citation needed

Fam_Fam posted...

BillyKidd posted...

no one denies climates change, we call them seasons. It's man made global warming people are calling bullshit on. When you only have 1.6% of the papers on global warming actually accusing it on man-made greenhouse gases, that doesn't bring a lot of credibility to your cause.

citation needed

http://www.populartechnology.net/2013/05/97-study-falsely-classifies-scientists.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexepstein/2015/01/06/97-of-climate-scientists-agree-is-100-wrong/
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/425232/climate-change-no-its-not-97-percent-consensus-ian-tuttle
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BillyKidd posted...

no one denies climates change, we call them seasons. It's man made global warming people are calling bullshit on. When you only have 1.6% of the papers on global warming actually accusing it on man-made greenhouse gases, that doesn't bring a lot of credibility to your cause.

they do ( and going by your posts that seems to include yourself

a lot

they deny humans caused it to speed up
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BillyKidd posted...

no one denies climates change, we call them seasons.

Then you don't understand what "climate" means.
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marc55 posted...

BillyKidd posted...

no one denies climates change, we call them seasons. It's man made global warming people are calling bullshit on. When you only have 1.6% of the papers on global warming actually accusing it on man-made greenhouse gases, that doesn't bring a lot of credibility to your cause.

they do

a lot

they deny humans caused it to speed up

so do a lot of scientists, as shown by the 3 articles I posted
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The Deadpool posted...

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

We are not really going to change

We... already changed. We changed when we found out we were poisoning ourselves with lead. We changed when we found out we were destroying the ozone layer. Why wouldn't we change now?

You can't just chop off my sentence in the middle like that, and then expect to not alter the context. I mentioned population growth, food production, resource consumption and so on. What big change are we making in those areas that will have a real impact on mitigating climate change? Recycling cans? Cars made out of metal and plastic that sort of run on electricity? I know the US military has robust goals to minimize their carbon footprint, so that is encouraging. But a lot of countries don't care, as well as a lot of individual citizens not caring.
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BillyKidd posted...

marc55 posted...

BillyKidd posted...

no one denies climates change, we call them seasons. It's man made global warming people are calling bullshit on. When you only have 1.6% of the papers on global warming actually accusing it on man-made greenhouse gases, that doesn't bring a lot of credibility to your cause.

they do

a lot

they deny humans caused it to speed up

so do a lot of scientists, as shown by the 3 articles I posted

didnt read those links but the one i read said number you pulled is only those who said man made greenhouse gases are the main cause seems that if you add those who think the gases are a cause ( one of many others ) then the number goes up....dont know why you didnt mention that on your post


thats why i said the deniers claim humans have no effect on the climate change

or you cant tell the difference between causing something and speeding it up?
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its pretty simple logic

greenhouse gases capture sunlight, no scientist denies this

the more sunlight captured the hotter it gets, no scientist denies this

so somehow putting more greenhouse gases into the air isn't going to capture more sunlight, now why would someone claim this? surely it must be those fat cat scientist with their billions in stock in oil companies

Hahahaha TC thinks there is still an ozone layer


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It's things like the how the ozone hole was handled that give climate change deniers a foothold. 30 years ago it was this big panic with doom and gloom and extinction right around the corner. It didn't take long for people to stop giving a damn, yet 3 decades later, we're still here, with most of those predictions being a lot of bunk.

Climate change now suffers due to the cried wolf effect.
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lukabrosci posted...

so somehow putting more greenhouse gases into the air isn't going to capture more sunlight, now why would someone claim this? surely it must be those fat cat scientist with their billions in stock in oil companies

Yeah I don't get how anyone can say we don't affect the climate unless they are going to argue that we don't produce greenhouse gases or pollute.
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Does it really matter if they believe in climate change or not? We are not really going to change how often we reproduce, how much we eat, how often and how far we traverse the world, how dependent we are on various utilities, and so on. I mean I don't deny climate change is happening, and I do turn off the light when I'm not in the room and try not to drive too much, but I still eat food I mostly did not grow myself and Obama, Trump, Gore and other big shots are still flying in their jets around the world.

The solution is not for people to use less. Trying to convince people to use way less would never work. Also it would just delay climate change. The solution has to be zero carbon tech.
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lightwarrior78 posted...

It's things like the how the ozone hole was handled that give climate change deniers a foothold. 30 years ago it was this big panic with doom and gloom and extinction right around the corner. It didn't take long for people to stop giving a damn, yet 3 decades later, we're still here, with most of those predictions being a lot of bunk.

lol they banned the stuff killing the ozone (or at least the worst of the stuff) back in like 1989 or something

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Protocol

So yeah the reason that we are still here and not worrying about it much anymore is because human civilization actually did something about it
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poppycock

god closed the hole cause we were being good boys

lukabrosci posted...

its pretty simple logic

greenhouse gases capture sunlight, no scientist denies this

the more sunlight captured the hotter it gets, no scientist denies this

so somehow putting more greenhouse gases into the air isn't going to capture more sunlight, now why would someone claim this? surely it must be those fat cat scientist with their billions in stock in oil companies

Humans contribute way less than 1% of greenhouse gasses. No scientist can tell you with certainty that amount is causing warming that isn't natural. Remember that we are still coming out of an ice age.
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with a maunder minimum approaching after 2020, I expect that we aren't done yet with ice ages
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Humans don't actually need to produce the most greenhouse gasses. Just enough greenhouse gasses to create positive feedback.
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We already fixed the hole in the ozone layer
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