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butthole666 07/23/17 7:12:55 PM #51: |
Sheet music is absolutely useless for p much every form of pop music. A lot of theory IS useful to know, but being able to read means nothing in a rock band.
PrettyBoyFloyd posted... ImAMarvel posted...back when i used to practice guitar in high school, i couldn't read sheet music for shit and would just look up tabs. lol You can get a gig and recording worthy guitar for under a grand. Only idiots but brand new when it comes to production models. --- "Kenan & Kel is what made me realize I wasn't racist." ~ NewportBox100s ... Copied to Clipboard!
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weapon_d00d816 07/23/17 7:14:35 PM #52: |
I don't get why music needs a written form to begin with.
Sure, if you have no means of hearing the song then you need some way to replicate it, but this is 2017. You can send that shit directly into someone's pocket. You don't need to know what time signature something's in. --- SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SlG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SlG ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vertania 07/23/17 7:21:47 PM #53: |
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It's more about understanding why one fret up or down makes a difference. Again, I don't think a lot of rock musicians care about being proper. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Turtlebread 07/23/17 7:24:20 PM #54: |
averagejoel posted...
Turtlebread posted...what's the point then? I'm glad that it was useful to you I've personally never played with anyone where sight reading musical notation was a requirement If rock and metal bands ever start using sheet music I will make sure it's at the top of my list of things to do --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 07/23/17 7:26:25 PM #55: |
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tl;dw your loss. the dude knows what he's talking about --- peanut butter and dick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vertania 07/23/17 7:55:20 PM #56: |
I see Eddie Van Halen and Slash getting mentioned a lot ITT, but we're leaving out a lot of other major guitarists who never knew how to read music:
Jimi Hendrix: http://ppcorn.com/us/2016/01/08/top-5-musicians-who-couldnt-read-music/ In a 1969 interview on The Dick Cavett Show, Hendrix was asked if he could read music, to which he replied, "No, not at all." Stevie Ray Vaughan: http://www.guitarworld.com/stevie-ray-vaughan-opens-his-first-guitar-world-interview-1984 "I took music theory for one year in high school and flunked all but one six-week period," he confides. "That's because I couldn't read music... It was more like math to me." Eric Clapton: http://ppcorn.com/us/2016/01/08/top-5-musicians-who-couldnt-read-music/ In his autobiography, Slowhand, Clapton spoke about his anxiety during a guest session with Aretha Franklin. "I felt so nervous because I couldn't read music, and they were all playing from music sheets on stands." And finally, The Beatles (all four of them): http://www.beatlesinterviews.org/db1980.jlpb.beatles.html LENNON: "...none of us are technical musicians. None of us could read music. None of us can write it. But as pure musicians, as inspired humans to make the noise, [Paul, George, and Ringo] are as good as anybody." https://youtu.be/ca_GCvApODg?t=29s Here's an article to read through if you have the time: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robbie-gennet/why-is-sheet-music-still-_b_7975400.html It mentions a lot more artists who supposedly can't read or write music, but I don't feel like fact-checking the rest of them. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EffectAndCause 07/23/17 7:56:31 PM #57: |
Vertania posted...
I see Eddie Van Halen and Slash getting mentioned a lot ITT, but we're leaving out a lot of other major guitarists who never knew how to read music: Okay, this topic has now been obliterated. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vertania 07/23/17 8:11:11 PM #58: |
I see Eddie Van Halen and Slash getting mentioned a lot ITT, but we're leaving out a lot of other major guitarists who never knew how to read music:
Jimi Hendrix: http://ppcorn.com/us/2016/01/08/top-5-musicians-who-couldnt-read-music/ In a 1969 interview on The Dick Cavett Show, Hendrix was asked if he could read music, to which he replied, "No, not at all." Stevie Ray Vaughan: http://www.guitarworld.com/stevie-ray-vaughan-opens-his-first-guitar-world-interview-1984 "I took music theory for one year in high school and flunked all but one six-week period," he confides. "That's because I couldn't read music... It was more like math to me." Eric Clapton: http://ppcorn.com/us/2016/01/08/top-5-musicians-who-couldnt-read-music/ In his autobiography, Slowhand, Clapton spoke about his anxiety during a guest session with Aretha Franklin. "I felt so nervous because I couldn't read music, and they were all playing from music sheets on stands." And finally, The Beatles (all four of them): http://www.beatlesinterviews.org/db1980.jlpb.beatles.html LENNON: "...none of us are technical musicians. None of us could read music. None of us can write it. But as pure musicians, as inspired humans to make the noise, [Paul, George, and Ringo] are as good as anybody." Here's an article to read through if you have the time: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robbie-gennet/why-is-sheet-music-still-_b_7975400.html It mentions a lot more artists who supposedly can't read or write music (Tony Iommi, Jimmy Page, Tom Morello, B.B. King, Elvis, Angus Young, James Hetfield, etc.), but I don't feel like fact-checking the rest of them. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Talks 07/23/17 8:14:41 PM #59: |
I can read sheet music and I play guitar, I just can't play music from a sheet on guitar.
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averagejoel 07/23/17 8:50:16 PM #60: |
Vertania posted...
ok? all those people would still have been better, more complete musicians if they could read music --- peanut butter and dick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vertania 07/23/17 9:47:20 PM #61: |
averagejoel posted...
ok? all those people would still have been better, more complete musicians if they could read music "The Beatles could have been better" lol ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 07/23/17 10:06:52 PM #62: |
Vertania posted...
averagejoel posted...ok? all those people would still have been better, more complete musicians if they could read music I hate to be the one to break this to you, but The Beatles were not incredible virtuoso musicians. their music is not all that difficult to play. also, literally anyone could have been better. that's how music works. perfection doesn't exist. an inability to read music is a major shortcoming for a professional musician, whether or not you want to believe it the vast majority of people who make a living through music, do so by being as flexible as possible. being able to fit into any context is important. there are contexts that require the ability to read music. even outside of those contexts, being able to read makes the process much faster and easier. --- peanut butter and dick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Turtlebread 07/23/17 10:13:27 PM #63: |
do you think the beatles would have written better songs if they knew how to read sheet music?
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Vertania 07/23/17 10:25:56 PM #64: |
averagejoel posted...
I hate to be the one to break this to you, but The Beatles were not incredible virtuoso musicians. their music is not all that difficult to play. So you think music is only good when it's difficult to play. Got it. The point is, having technical knowledge of music isn't necessary to make enjoyable music. The Beatles didn't become the best selling artists of all time because people were analyzing how they played and bowed down to their musical prowess. They got there because people, you know, liked their songs. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dash_Harber 07/23/17 10:28:59 PM #65: |
Because tab is generally a better way to learn songs on guitar. I've done both, and I much prefer tab if I'm just going to learn the song for guitar.
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averagejoel 07/23/17 10:49:12 PM #66: |
Turtlebread posted...
do you think the beatles would have written better songs if they knew how to read sheet music? I don't know, nor do I particularly care. I'm talking about musicianship, which is independent from songwriting. Vertania posted... So you think music is only good when it's difficult to play. Got it. that is not at all what I said. The point is, having technical knowledge of music isn't necessary to make enjoyable music. I never said that it was. The Beatles didn't become the best selling artists of all time because people were analyzing how they played and bowed down to their musical prowess. They got there because people, you know, liked their songs. I never said anything disagreeing with this. my point is that being unable to read music is a major shortcoming as a musician. --- peanut butter and dick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anteaterking 07/23/17 10:57:46 PM #67: |
I am classically trained on violin and piano, but I still use tabs when I play guitar.
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Turtlebread 07/23/17 11:08:49 PM #68: |
The Beatles would also have had more 'musicianship' if they could sweep pick at 400bpm or played the harp
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averagejoel 07/23/17 11:19:32 PM #69: |
Turtlebread posted...
The Beatles would also have had more 'musicianship' if they could sweep pick at 400bpm or played the harp ok but being unable to read music is still a major shortcoming for anyone calling themselves a professional musician --- peanut butter and dick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Turtlebread 07/23/17 11:20:16 PM #70: |
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Anteaterking 07/23/17 11:23:35 PM #71: |
Turtlebread posted...
The Beatles would also have had more 'musicianship' if they could sweep pick at 400bpm or played the harp Maybe a better way to look at it is that if you wanted to emulate the Beatles' success (to the extent that you could), their inability to read music is not the place to start. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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alexander37 07/23/17 11:24:21 PM #72: |
Wow I didn't think CE cared this much about being musicians. I mean M&S has been a dead board for a while now! And you all are as stubborn as when politics are being discussed.
Idk personally I used to say all that stuff about not wanting to learn theory because I don't want to be boxed in. And I can read sheet music but don't 99% of the time, but I will say that ear training and theory are still super important for guitar playing. I'm not very technical but just being able to look at the tabs and make the connection of what chords you're playing and what kind of scale fits to solo on for the song has already started to open way more doors as far as what I'm able to write, and what I'm able to improv on with existing songs. --- PSN: doomtrain69 Now Playing: Ace Combat Infinity, Fallout 2 RP, FFVIII, Silent Hunter III ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 07/23/17 11:25:21 PM #73: |
Turtlebread posted...
ok yes, in my opinion as someone who has a degree in music and makes part of my living from music --- peanut butter and dick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Turtlebread 07/23/17 11:32:15 PM #74: |
averagejoel posted...
Turtlebread posted...ok well I'm glad we agree best of luck to you --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vertania 07/23/17 11:36:03 PM #75: |
averagejoel posted...
yes, in my opinion as someone who has a degree in music and makes part of my living from music Haha, well there it is. Puts your posts in perspective now. You're bitter that you actually paid to study music for years while other people just have it come naturally. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 07/23/17 11:38:09 PM #76: |
Vertania posted...
averagejoel posted...yes, in my opinion as someone who has a degree in music and makes part of my living from music no I'm not --- peanut butter and dick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anteaterking 07/23/17 11:43:56 PM #77: |
Vertania posted...
You know that some people who study music do so because it comes naturally to them, right? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Engineer_Gamer 07/24/17 4:09:30 PM #78: |
lmao look at all these nerds getting mad
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