Poll of the Day > I haven't consumed any animal products in a week

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Sarcasthma posted...

In Dr. Pittmans lab, researchers induce depression in a fish by keeping it drunk on ethanol for two weeks, then cutting off the supply, forcing it into withdrawal.

Science!

That sounds like bunk science. Like those studies with the monkeys and marijuana in the 70s.
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Revelation34 posted...

Sarcasthma posted...

In Dr. Pittmans lab, researchers induce depression in a fish by keeping it drunk on ethanol for two weeks, then cutting off the supply, forcing it into withdrawal.

Science!

That sounds like bunk science. Like those studies with the monkeys and marijuana in the 70s.

Maybe unless you realize alcohol is a depressant and drinking it constantly for weeks will leave you depressed
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Oscar Mayer cheese dogs are on sale for 79 cents

so right now I'm eating some cheese dogs
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Maybe unless you realize alcohol is a depressant and drinking it constantly for weeks will leave you depressed

Lots of bad things lead to bad things over time? News at 6 o clock.

helIy posted...

Oscar Mayer cheese dogs are on sale for 79 cents

so right now I'm eating some cheese dogs

That's a damn good deal.
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considering they're normally $3-4, yes, yes it is a damn good deal
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That seems pricy at normal price.

I think tonight is going to be soy curls in a spicy sauce with a bunch of broccoli, lentils, and brown rice

Another accidentally vegan food: Sour Patch Kids. So many candies contain gelatin. Not those bad boys. Just sugar and syrup and acid ooh yeah
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How many more weeks of avoiding animal products do you need before you start to develop psychic abilities?
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Zeus posted...

How many more weeks of avoiding animal products do you need before you start to develop psychic abilities?

that doesn't happen until you give up oreos and I'm just not there yet

QQ
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Doctor Foxx posted...

That seems pricy at normal price.

cheese dogs are the more expensive version of normal dogs

then you have your kosher and Angus ones, which are upwards of $7
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was never really a big hot dog person

i cleaned out the fridge and found my daiya shreds, are they still good? I can't even tell. This shit is so weird.


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dairy free ice cream is not legally ice cream.
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helIy posted...

dairy free ice cream is not legally ice cream.

it's clearly labeled as frozen dessert (see the B&Js posted recently) but we all know what it is

lots of what people call ice cream (probably most of what is purchased in the USA) is also legally ice milk. like dairy queen. but no one calls it ice milk
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dairy queen is frozen yogurt, not ice milk
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helIy posted...

dairy queen is frozen yogurt, not ice milk

what? don't think so.

They used to carry frozen yogurt separately and discontinued it years ago

That and yogurt doesn't bother me but DQ does just like any uncultured milk will

https://www.dairyqueen.com/us-en/Company/FAQ

it is ice milk
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well that's a pretty decent indicator of the last time I was ever at a dairy queen I guess
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i had some edamame today. not really going vegan but it is an animal less product(uhh i think >_>)

i could eat these like a bag of doritos.

argonautweakend posted...

i had some edamame today. not really going vegan but it is an animal less product(uhh i think >_>)

i could eat these like a bag of doritos.

yeah they are usually just soybeans cooked with salt. not traditionally prepared with animal products

I like fresh boiled edamame

the dry stuff is good. soy is very nutrient dense so you gotta watch out eating dried soy stuff
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ive actually been trying to lose some weight. ive done it before but i always put it back on. not following any specific diet but monitoring calories. I did a BMR calculator and it said I burn around 2900 calories a day so im shooting to eat 2,000 a day.

I should up my veggie intake because when prepared well they can be delicious(broccoli and brussels sprouts) and you can generally eat a ton(depening on how its prepared) for little calories.

actually raises a question i never understood.

I know people who have done low carb diets and lost weight, but they always act like "yeah i can eat all the meat i want!!" but wouldnt you not lose weight because you are taking in a lot of calories by eating tons and tons of meat. I only look at weight loss as calories consumed vs. burned so i dont understand any other way.

Doctor Foxx posted...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/16/science/depressed-fish.html

Fish are pretty complex

My brother has a beta and every time I see it I want to put the poor thing out of its misery.

Have you seen betas on display at the pet store? Half of them you can't even tell if they're dead or alive. Frankly, they might as well be both. They've all got mangled looking fins and some of them are just spacing out floating at the top.

People didn't really need to make an alcoholic fish to figure this out. Maybe they did, idk.

argonautweakend posted...

actually raises a question i never understood.

I know people who have done low carb diets and lost weight, but they always act like "yeah i can eat all the meat i want!!" but wouldnt you not lose weight because you are taking in a lot of calories by eating tons and tons of meat. I only look at weight loss as calories consumed vs. burned so i dont understand any other way.

Well no shit you can't eat as much as you want. You might get a boost to metabolism, but weight loss is ultimately just energy burned vs enrgy consumed. That being said, being skinny doesn't mean you're healthy. You can go low carb or vegan and still have a terrible diet.

argonautweakend posted...

ive actually been trying to lose some weight. ive done it before but i always put it back on. not following any specific diet but monitoring calories. I did a BMR calculator and it said I burn around 2900 calories a day so im shooting to eat 2,000 a day.

I should up my veggie intake because when prepared well they can be delicious(broccoli and brussels sprouts) and you can generally eat a ton(depening on how its prepared) for little calories.

I wouldn't put too much stock into a calculator. Your metabolic rate can vary wildly based on genetics and diet. The trick to keeping weight off is making sustainable changes to your diet. Vitamins are an easy way to do that. While no powder can fully replace fresh produce, a greens supplement can go a long way toward meeting your daily dose of veggies.
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argonautweakend posted...

actually raises a question i never understood.

I know people who have done low carb diets and lost weight, but they always act like "yeah i can eat all the meat i want!!" but wouldnt you not lose weight because you are taking in a lot of calories by eating tons and tons of meat. I only look at weight loss as calories consumed vs. burned so i dont understand any other way.

many people that go on keto fail to lose weight by overdoing the calories, esp. with processed meats and cheese.

I genuinely worry that there will be a minor health crisis later following the animal-based keto dieting.

Yellow posted...

My brother has a beta and every time I see it I want to put the poor thing out of its misery.

Have you seen betas on display at the pet store? Half of them you can't even tell if they're dead or alive. Frankly, they might as well be both. They've all got mangled looking fins and some of them are just spacing out floating at the top.

People didn't really need to make an alcoholic fish to figure this out. Maybe they did, idk.

Theres the obvious issue that We cannot ask animals how they feel, says Dr. Diego A. Pizzagalli, the director of the Center For Depression, Anxiety and Stress Research at Harvard Medical School. Though researchers may find parallels in serotonin and dopamine fluctuations, neither fish nor rat can capture the entire spectrum of depression as we know it, says Dr. Pizzagalli.

There is a heated debate in the fish research community about whether anxious or depressed is a more appropriate term.

But what has convinced Dr. Pittman, and others, over the past ten years is watching the way the zebrafish lose interest in just about everything: food, toys, exploration just like clinically depressed people.

You can tell, said Culum Brown, a behavioral biologist at Macquarie University in Sydney who has published more than 100 papers on fish cognition. Depressed people are withdrawn. The same is true of fish.

The trigger for most domestic fish depression is likely lack of stimulation, said Victoria Braithwaite, a professor of fisheries and biology at Penn State University, who studies fish intelligence and fish preferences.

the alcohol part is a very minor aspect in the test and the article. fish appear to display depression symptoms and have similar neurochemistry to humans They may be a viable way to test future antidepressants, and they have now measured baseline depressed fish behavior to compare results. animal models can't exactly tell how they feel but fish can have their feelings easily observed.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

That seems pricy at normal price.

I think tonight is going to be soy curls in a spicy sauce with a bunch of broccoli, lentils, and brown rice

Another accidentally vegan food: Sour Patch Kids. So many candies contain gelatin. Not those bad boys. Just sugar and syrup and acid ooh yeah

What are soy curls? Also I remember it being a big deal when Skittles dropped gelatin.

helIy posted...

well that's a pretty decent indicator of the last time I was ever at a dairy queen I guess

Too expensive to go unless there's a really awesome blizzard of the month. Like the Reese's one that had pieces and cups in July I think it was.

Doctor Foxx posted...

the alcohol part is a very minor aspect in the test and the article. fish appear to display depression symptoms and have similar neurochemistry to humans They may be a viable way to test future antidepressants, and they have now measured baseline depressed fish behavior to compare results. animal models can't exactly tell how they feel but fish can have their feelings easily observed.

Isn't it hypocritical to be vegan because of how animals are treated but support animal testing?
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big ole sale on chicken breasts today. gonna be 99 cents a pound.

oooh boy oh boy
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Revelation34 posted...

Isn't it hypocritical to be vegan because of how animals are treated but support animal testing?

It probably would be. Who said I support it? I was explaining the article.

There's a big difference between testing for health concerns vs. something like cosmetics too.

helIy posted...

big ole sale on chicken breasts today. gonna be 99 cents a pound.

oooh boy oh boy

That's real cheap

Though I get more protein per pound with lentils at the same price
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three packs of Tyson brand breasts, less than $5

i bought six.
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I guess that's a deal? You can find 5 breasts for 10 CAD here normally.

Just read earlier Rainn Wilson got on the plant based train 6 weeks ago and is sticking with it. I wonder how many beets he eats
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yes

yes it is a deal

a very, very good one
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Waiting on my heckin gardein chick'n to bake



putting it on this big ol salad with a sesame vinaigrette. Roasted garlic hummus, cucumber, and potato sandwich on the side (potato also baking)

Gonna be a tasty meal for sure
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Waiting on my heckin gardein chick'n to bake



putting it on this big ol salad with a sesame vinaigrette. Roasted garlic hummus, cucumber, and potato sandwich on the side (potato also baking)

Gonna be a tasty meal for sure

Wow, eating like that so often, you'd think you'd weigh less, ok?

Crazy!
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Found another local place that does Vegan offerings. Only a few on the menu. Lot more vegetarian offerings and their veggie burgers are not vegan. Still nice to see something! This mock chicken I tried hit the texture so well I thought it may have been meat. Chicken is usually more dry and overcooked though.
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this thai green curry with soy curls, tofu, and a lot of fresh vegetables... oh yeah. leftovers for a few meals. so very delicious.
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Be sure to take vitamins while you practice Buddhism.
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Oh that's what you meant by soy curls.
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Susanowo posted...

Be sure to take vitamins while you practice Buddhism.

i have pernicious anemia regardless so i am always megadosing that B12

Revelation34 posted...

Oh that's what you meant by soy curls.

they're really quite lovely. down to my last bag going to need to stock up soon
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Susanowo posted...

Be sure to take vitamins while you practice Buddhism.

i have pernicious anemia regardless so i am always megadosing that B12

Revelation34 posted...

Oh that's what you meant by soy curls.

they're really quite lovely. down to my last bag going to need to stock up soon

I've had them before. They are awesome.
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This sauce is vegan and delicious. A little bit with stir fry is great. Chicken not required



And this will be dessert in a couple hours. It's mostly pureed mango and it's really good. Have that with a few animal crackers and dark chocolate.
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i'm still not vegan but i feel like i'm inching closer to vegetarian. i only eat meat maybe once or twice a week now. and really no beef anymore (which is where the most issues with the industry are)
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JunkoEnoshima posted...

i'm still not vegan but i feel like i'm inching closer to vegetarian. i only eat meat maybe once or twice a week now. and really no beef anymore (which is where the most issues with the industry are)

That's good. If you're considering vegetarian then easing into that kind of eating is better.

Yeah the largest issues are with beef and dairy. Cattle in general. I'm glad to see more dairy free options appearing.

But so many vegetarian things are also full of milk powder. Why?! I hope that trend changes.
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Wasn't it you that linked to those apple spice cookies? I'm going to try to make them tomorrow for a work Halloween thing. Hopefully it turns out okay. I'm going to go get the ingredients but I don't have a standing mixer so I'm going to have to beat the dough by hand.
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GhostGiblet posted...

Wasn't it you that linked to those apple spice cookies? I'm going to try to make them tomorrow for a work Halloween thing. Hopefully it turns out okay. I'm going to go get the ingredients but I don't have a standing mixer so I'm going to have to beat the dough by hand.

Hmmm I don't remember that but possibly. Vegan baking can be pretty darn good. Heck even vegan gluten free is great. Probably the best banana bread I ever had was vegan gluten free.

Good luck with the baking. Mind sharing the link here?
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http://whattheheckdoieatnow.com/2016/09/26/apple-spice-cookies/

Now I remember, you posted lentil soup and I saw this after I looked around the site
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GhostGiblet posted...

http://whattheheckdoieatnow.com/2016/09/26/apple-spice-cookies/

Now I remember, you posted lentil soup and I saw this after I looked around the site

Wow those cookies look good damn, damn. Thanks

Wish I had an oven and a mixer but yeah do it by hand. Still would need an oven
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Yeah thanks. Maybe I'll post some pics if they turn out
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Hmm, the grocery store had everything for the cookies except flax seed. I'm trying to find a good substitute. From what I'm reading, I can just use an extra third cup of applesauce instead of the flax -- hope that works out
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Cookies turned out pretty good despite lack of flax



I made them a little bigger than I was supposed to though. I ate one and liked it but I'm worried the bigger ones might be a little underdone. Oh well
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GhostGiblet posted...

Hmm, the grocery store had everything for the cookies except flax seed. I'm trying to find a good substitute. From what I'm reading, I can just use an extra third cup of applesauce instead of the flax -- hope that works out

It should be good



That's a good reference

Cookies look delicious!
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Thanks. I hope people like them
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GhostGiblet posted...

Cookies turned out pretty good despite lack of flax



I made them a little bigger than I was supposed to though. I ate one and liked it but I'm worried the bigger ones might be a little underdone. Oh well

those are cookies? looks like a chicken patty with gravy.
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Lol. It's icing. Glad they look so disgusting that they look like a different food
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