Current Events > So people really haven't figured out that Old testament is Judaism and

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New testament is Christianity?

Amazing
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they already know that, they just dont want to admit it because they want to keep hating on christianity

what about the commandants tho
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The New Testament ain't even that new!

WhinyZach posted...

The old testament is still part of Christianity. Jewish and Christian's share the same beliefs when it comes to creation and such.

Don't be a knob.

But it's totally different on how a person gets to Heaven in the afterlife. And that's the key part of Christianity.
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Not quite. Judaism is much more than the Old Testament, and actually doesnt consider all of the books in the Christian Old Testament to be canonical. Many Vhristian denominations are more than the New Testament as well.
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New Testament is toilet paper to Jews.
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I remember learning about the Old Testament in Sunday School and when the teacher was reading about the Jews, I piped up "Why are we talking about Jews? I thought we were Catholics."

I wasn't a good Sunday school student.
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OT is still extremely important in Christianity, because it points towards the New Testament. The Law is still used as reference, as it should be, but ultimately the one who wrote the law, Christ, has made a New Covenant rendering parts of it void. The Old Testament also contains important world history and is still considered to be written through divine inspiration.
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actually christianity incorporates both testaments, as the bible contains both. the new testament is the fulfillment of the covenant and prophecies from the old testament

Callixtus posted...

Judaism is much more than the Old Testament, and actually doesnt consider all of the books in the Christian Old Testament to be canonical.

The books in the Tanakh and the Christian OT match up perfectly. The only differences are in translation and the order of the books in the respective compilations.

You're correct though, much more to literature in Judaism. Oral Torah and Talmud in particular, though the works of Maimon (particularly the Mishneh Torah) are also considered important, as well as other Rabbinical writings/compilations.
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The only people who haven't figured it out are angstheists whose anti-semitism runs so deep they are blinded
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Rob Cesternino posted...

But it's totally different on how a person gets to Heaven in the afterlife. And that's the key part of Christianity.

Actually, that's not entirely true. Before Moses obtained the law, the Patriarchs got saved exactly the same way we do, by putting their faith in the coming Messiah. The difference is in that they looked forward to Christs coming, and we look back, so needless to say it's significantly easier for us to put our faith in him. After Moses obtained the law the High Priest would make intercession for the sins of the people, but the ceremony still ultimately pointed to Christ, the perfect sacrifice, coming to shed his blood for humanity.

In that sense we all get saved the same way.
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Except none of those people got saved at all because they were committing idolatry
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TheMikh posted...

Callixtus posted...

Judaism is much more than the Old Testament, and actually doesnt consider all of the books in the Christian Old Testament to be canonical.

The books in the Tanakh and the Christian OT match up perfectly. The only differences are in translation and the order of the books in the respective compilations.

You're correct though, much more to literature in Judaism. Oral Torah and Talmud in particular, though the works of Maimon (particularly the Mishneh Torah) are also considered important, as well as other Rabbinical writings/compilations.

Well there are some texts, that at least according to my understanding, are in some Christian bibles but not Hebrew Scriptures, like the book of Baruch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuterocanonical_books?wprov=sfla1
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Idolatry was a major problem in Israel's history, but not all of the Israelites committed it. It was still ultimately a personal decision if you were going to follow God or not, but if you chose not to God would send in a foreign nation to conquer them until they turned back to him. Excluding a few cases like in the book of Jonah though, he was mainly involved with the well-being of the Jews, and the Gentiles had to seek him themselves.
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The book of Baruch is part of the apocrypha, which contains books that are widely considered uninspired and aren't included in most Bibles. These books are better used as reference material for history and culture during the 400 years of silence than actual religious material.
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real question. if god is infallable why would he need a patch?
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iosifsvoboda posted...

The only people who haven't figured it out are angstheists whose anti-semitism runs so deep they are blinded

TIL the Old Testament is not in the Christian Bible and is never cited by Christians
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CmndrHurricane posted...

real question. if god is infallable why would he need a patch?

God didn't fail, humanity did. The whole point of the Law was to show that only a merciful and righteous God could save us, and if Israel fell into idolatry when God was directly speaking to them, then they obviously weren't ready for Christ to come and intervene for them yet.
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I'm learning stuff. Decent posts in here
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SageHarpuia posted...

The book of Baruch is part of the apocrypha, which contains books that are widely considered uninspired and aren't included in most Bibles. These books are better used as reference material for history and culture during the 400 years of silence than actual religious material.

Well it may not be in most denominations, but I understand it to be in the Catholic and Orthodox Bibles, which means it is canonical for 1+ billion Christians, which is a majority of them.
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The real kicker is the Quran is just the bible written in Arabic.

lukabrosci posted...

The real kicker is the Quran is just the bible written in Arabic.

LOL
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The Apocrypha is in many Catholic Bibles, but as I said, is generally only used as reference and not as religious material.
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the new testament was just written because the old testament was too hard to follow

SageHarpuia posted...

The Apocrypha is in many Catholic Bibles, but as I said, is generally only used as reference and not as religious material.

I'm not sure that's accurate.

The Council of Trent seems to have reaffirmed these books: "He is also to be anathema who does not receive these entire books, with all their parts, as they have been accustomed to be read in the Catholic Church, and are found in the ancient editions of the Latin Vulgate, as sacred and canonical."

The use of the word sacred seems to imply that they are indeed religious material.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocrypha
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lukabrosci posted...

The real kicker is the Quran is just the bible written in Arabic.

It is roughly identical until the birth of Ishmael, who Muslims believe is the heir God promised Abraham. However because Ishmael was the illegitimate son of Abraham through his Egyptian servant Hagar, Christians believe that it was Isaac who's line God promised to bless. When Isaac was born Sarah made Abraham send Hagar and Ishmael away into the wilderness, where God promised to bless him and told him he would be the father of many nations, but that Isaac would be the one his covenant with Abraham would be through. It further complicates things that Isaac's son Jacob had twelve sons and Ishmael also had twelve sons, which is why there is confusion over which twelve tribes are mentioned in different prophecies.
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Callixtus posted...

SageHarpuia posted...

The Apocrypha is in many Catholic Bibles, but as I said, is generally only used as reference and not as religious material.

I'm not sure that's accurate.

The Council of Trent seems to have reaffirmed these books: "He is also to be anathema who does not receive these entire books, with all their parts, as they have been accustomed to be read in the Catholic Church, and are found in the ancient editions of the Latin Vulgate, as sacred and canonical."

The use of the word sacred seems to imply that they are indeed religious material.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocrypha

A lot if not most Catholics do consider them canon, but I personally know some (orthodox) who don't. Either way it doesn't really matter, my point was that not all Christians consider the different books outside of the Hebrew manuscripts canon.
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glitteringfairy posted...

I'm learning stuff. Decent posts in here

You came out pretty strongly in the OP for someone with not much more than a rudimentary understanding.
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SageHarpuia posted...

Callixtus posted...

SageHarpuia posted...

The Apocrypha is in many Catholic Bibles, but as I said, is generally only used as reference and not as religious material.

I'm not sure that's accurate.

The Council of Trent seems to have reaffirmed these books: "He is also to be anathema who does not receive these entire books, with all their parts, as they have been accustomed to be read in the Catholic Church, and are found in the ancient editions of the Latin Vulgate, as sacred and canonical."

The use of the word sacred seems to imply that they are indeed religious material.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocrypha

A lot if not most Catholics do consider them canon, but I personally know some (orthodox) who don't. Either way it doesn't really matter, my point was that not all Christians consider the different books outside of the Hebrew manuscripts canon.

Oh I certainly agree that not all Christians agree, and overall this is a pretty minor point. But it should be noted that any Catholic who disagrees with the Magisterium on a matter like the canon of the bible, could hardly be considered an orthodox Catholic. The Council of Trent, and all councils, are binding on Catholics.
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SageHarpuia posted...

OT is still extremely important in Christianity

The original trilogy is important to all of us.
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Anteaterking posted...

glitteringfairy posted...

I'm learning stuff. Decent posts in here

You came out pretty strongly in the OP for someone with not much more than a rudimentary understanding.

My op is still true. The new testament is what Christians live by
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