Current Events > obamacare officially to be straight repealed

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JustMyOpinion posted...

Suddenly everyone loves Obamacare. Unless you had a preexisting condition and couldn't get insurance, I don't see why you'd like it.

I don't think anyone "loves" Obama care, and I don't understand where you got that shitty idea from
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Well at least I won't be penalized for having the insurance I want/need instead of the insurance that will keep me from abusing the emergency room like I won't do.
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JustMyOpinion posted...

Suddenly everyone loves Obamacare. Unless you had a preexisting condition and couldn't get insurance, I don't see why you'd like it.

It's solely because Obama passed it.

DevsBro posted...

Well at least I won't be penalized for having the insurance I want/need instead of the insurance that will keep me from abusing the emergency room like I won't do.

I've seen you talk about your insurance before and after the ACA a few times, can you be more specific about what you're talking about here?
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JustMyOpinion posted...

Suddenly everyone loves Obamacare. Unless you had a preexisting condition and couldn't get insurance, I don't see why you'd like it.

And you had to get hit by a bus to use it
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The Admiral posted...

You've really stepped up the passive-aggressive sniping and toned down the reading comprehension since the election.

IMAX level projection right there.
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JustMyOpinion posted...

Samurontai posted...

JustMyOpinion posted...

Suddenly everyone loves Obamacare. Unless you had a preexisting condition and couldn't get insurance, I don't see why you'd like it.

I don't think anyone "loves" Obama care, and I don't understand where you got that shitty idea from

The outrage in this topic.

That doesn't answer my question
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--kresnik-- posted...

Obamacare did not help everybody. As many people died under it than you expect will die without. It was a bad plan and things were simply better before it existed, without question.

Yep. The ACA hurt far more than it helped and it's time to go back to scratch. Something needs done but Obamacare was not the way. What needs to happen is something to reign in the out of control insurance and pharm companies, but politicians are far too deep in those pockets for that to happen.
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The Admiral posted...

OpheliaAdenade posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

i will have absolutely zero pity for anyone who voted for that asshole and then loses health care. absolutely zero.

They're on their own. :v You reap what you sow.

I have zero sympathy for the Democrats who stayed home on Election Day and lose their coverage. For all the crybabies who wanted Bernie or the folks who couldn't stand to "hold their nose and vote for Hillary," this is the consequence of your inaction.

agree 100%.
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I've seen you talk about your insurance before and after the ACA a few times, can you be more specific about what you're talking about here?

Pretty simple. If you don't have enough insurance, you have to pay the government instead. Give money to insurance companies or we will take money from you.

If you're talking about the emergency room thing, emergency rooms won't turn people away even if they can't pay, and it has been that way a long time. It opens up the door to abuse, though.
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voldothegr8 posted...

--kresnik-- posted...

Obamacare did not help everybody. As many people died under it than you expect will die without. It was a bad plan and things were simply better before it existed, without question.

Yep. The ACA hurt far more than it helped and it's time to go back to scratch. Something needs done but Obamacare was not the way. What needs to happen is something to reign in the out of control insurance and pharm companies, but politicians are far too deep in those pockets for that to happen.

So let's do nothing and give them free reign because the government is fucked up,too. Honestly there's no fixing this people are just going to die.
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JustMyOpinion posted...

Samurontai posted...

JustMyOpinion posted...

Samurontai posted...

JustMyOpinion posted...

Suddenly everyone loves Obamacare. Unless you had a preexisting condition and couldn't get insurance, I don't see why you'd like it.

I don't think anyone "loves" Obama care, and I don't understand where you got that shitty idea from

The outrage in this topic.

That doesn't answer my question

You didn't ask me a question and if you did then you really need to work on your reading skills.

You literally don't know that questions can be asked without question marks...? I....what...?
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voldothegr8 posted...

What needs to happen is something to reign in the out of control insurance and pharm companies, but politicians are far too deep in those pockets for that to happen.

so you're saying we need the government to regulate those industries? i like it.
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DevsBro posted...

Pretty simple. If you don't have enough insurance, you have to pay the government instead. Give money to insurance companies or we will take money from you.

yeah I understand that concept

DevsBro posted...

If you're talking about the emergency room thing, emergency rooms won't turn people away even if they can't pay, and it has been that way a long time. It opens up the door to abuse, though.

Right, but the fact that so many people had either no insurance, or conditions that insurance wouldn't cover, and were forced to seek ER treatment which often goes uncompensated, is what causes the costs in the first part of your complaint to be high

It probably was really pretty sweet to have ESI if you were healthy before the ACA though. I get that complaint
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

What needs to happen is something to reign in the out of control insurance and pharm companies, but politicians are far too deep in those pockets for that to happen.

so you're saying we need the government to regulate those industries? i like it.

I'm saying something needs to be done, I'm not sure just what.
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voldothegr8 posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

What needs to happen is something to reign in the out of control insurance and pharm companies, but politicians are far too deep in those pockets for that to happen.

so you're saying we need the government to regulate those industries? i like it.

I'm saying something needs to be done, I'm not sure just what.

well, do you think the market will 'correct itself'? or do you think intervention by an external force is required?
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JustMyOpinion posted...

Samurontai posted...

JustMyOpinion posted...

Samurontai posted...

JustMyOpinion posted...

Samurontai posted...

JustMyOpinion posted...

Suddenly everyone loves Obamacare. Unless you had a preexisting condition and couldn't get insurance, I don't see why you'd like it.

I don't think anyone "loves" Obama care, and I don't understand where you got that shitty idea from

The outrage in this topic.

That doesn't answer my question

You didn't ask me a question and if you did then you really need to work on your reading skills.

You literally don't know that questions can be asked without question marks...? I....what...?

"I don't understand where you got that idea from" is not a question. It's a statement. "Where did you get that idea" is an actual question.

Are you really going to play semantics right now?

It's a statement that's questioning something, and it's literally the same exact thing, minus a question mark. It's something that requires an answer that isn't exactly a question in if itself

Like holy shit just answer the question lmao
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Sweet!
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Right, but the fact that so many people had either no insurance, or conditions that insurance wouldn't cover, and were forced to seek ER treatment which often goes uncompensated, is what causes the costs in the first part of your complaint to be high

Exactly.
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Samurontai posted...

JustMyOpinion posted...

Are you really going to play semantics right now?

It's a statement that's questioning something, and it's literally the same exact thing, minus a question mark. It's something that requires an answer that isn't exactly a question in if itself

Like holy shit just answer the question lmao

both of you should just shut the fuck up and quit derailing the topic with your petty, pedantic bickering. yes, we know JMO is insufferable but you're doing exactly what he wants right now. just. stop.
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Hopefully everyone that voted for the repeal (hell, or voted Republican in general) has a family member develop terminal cancer and be unable to afford insurance or treatment so they're forced to watch them die.
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CircleOfManias posted...

Hopefully everyone that voted for the repeal has a family member develop terminal cancer and be unable to afford insurance so they're forced to watch them die.

Won't happen because they're all rich enough to pay out of pocket
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JustMyOpinion posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

Samurontai posted...

JustMyOpinion posted...

Are you really going to play semantics right now?

It's a statement that's questioning something, and it's literally the same exact thing, minus a question mark. It's something that requires an answer that isn't exactly a question in if itself

Like holy shit just answer the question lmao

both of you should just shut the fuck up and quit derailing the topic with your petty, pedantic bickering. yes, we know JMO is insufferable but you're doing exactly what he wants right now. just. stop.

Why are you getting your panties in a twist over me when I already answered his non-question question? Imagine getting triggered over nothing.

Where did you answer my question?

Crying about something not being what it is is not answering something btw,

Reading comprehension, etc
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CircleOfManias posted...

Hopefully everyone that voted for the repeal (hell, or voted Republican in general) has a family member develop terminal cancer and be unable to afford insurance or treatment so they're forced to watch them die.

You are a terrible person.

JustMyOpinion posted...

Samurontai posted...

JustMyOpinion posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

Samurontai posted...

JustMyOpinion posted...

Are you really going to play semantics right now?

It's a statement that's questioning something, and it's literally the same exact thing, minus a question mark. It's something that requires an answer that isn't exactly a question in if itself

Like holy shit just answer the question lmao

both of you should just shut the fuck up and quit derailing the topic with your petty, pedantic bickering. yes, we know JMO is insufferable but you're doing exactly what he wants right now. just. stop.

Why are you getting your panties in a twist over me when I already answered his non-question question? Imagine getting triggered over nothing.

Where did you answer my question?

Crying about something not being what it is is not answering something btw,

Reading comprehension, etc

I think you had it right the first time when you deleted your post. Simmer down, clown.

Lul, so I had it right the first time when I posted exactly what I posted here, just this time I left out the reply to Aspirin

Thank bro, I appreciate the honesty
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JustMyOpinion posted...

Suddenly everyone loves Obamacare. Unless you had a preexisting condition and couldn't get insurance, I don't see why you'd like it.

Because we are old enough to remember what it was like before Obamacare.

That's the thing you kids forget: the situation was dire before the ACA. Everyone knew it. ACA is just a national version of Romney-care. A Republican Presidential candidate was the first guy in the country to pass this kind of legislation.

But Republicans were vehemently against Obama and spent 8 years fighting everything he did. Even when he introduced their own fucking idea. They have done their best to make it work as terribly as possible so they can call it a failure... And the people stilll overwhelmingly agree it's better than what we had before.

The solution to the ACA isn't to take money out of the system. It's to add money.
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voldothegr8 posted...

--kresnik-- posted...

Obamacare did not help everybody. As many people died under it than you expect will die without. It was a bad plan and things were simply better before it existed, without question.

Yep. The ACA hurt far more than it helped and it's time to go back to scratch. Something needs done but Obamacare was not the way. What needs to happen is something to reign in the out of control insurance and pharm companies, but politicians are far too deep in those pockets for that to happen.

What needs to happen to actually reign in costs is quite a few things:

1. The garbage Bush legislation that prevents the government from negotiating for lower pharmaceutical prices needs to be repealed.

2. There needs to be a cap placed on end-of-life treatments, which are the majority of the U.S. healthcare expenditures. If the procedure will not lead to a significant improvement in either longevity or quality of life, doctors need to be required to refuse them. You can use fear mongering language like "death panels" if you want, but this is essential.

3. Malpractice litigation needs to be reformed. The Democrats have bogged down the system nonsense red tape that results in doctors ordering far more tests and recommending unnecessary procedures just to cover their asses and stave off malpractice lawsuits.

4. There needs to be a major PR campaign launched educating people about the difference between urgent care clinics and emergency rooms, and when to use one instead of the other.
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eh this is clickbait. the topic title makes it seem like it's just going to disappear tomorrow. not happening.
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The Admiral posted...

OpheliaAdenade posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

i will have absolutely zero pity for anyone who voted for that asshole and then loses health care. absolutely zero.

They're on their own. :v You reap what you sow.

I have zero sympathy for the Democrats who stayed home on Election Day and lose their coverage. For all the crybabies who wanted Bernie or the folks who couldn't stand to "hold their nose and vote for Hillary," this is the consequence of your inaction.

Admiral so anti-liberal that he'll shame them for not voting Hillary.
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Americans rekt

Leave while you can homies
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hockeybub89 posted...

The Admiral posted...

OpheliaAdenade posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

i will have absolutely zero pity for anyone who voted for that asshole and then loses health care. absolutely zero.

They're on their own. :v You reap what you sow.

I have zero sympathy for the Democrats who stayed home on Election Day and lose their coverage. For all the crybabies who wanted Bernie or the folks who couldn't stand to "hold their nose and vote for Hillary," this is the consequence of your inaction.

Admiral so anti-liberal that he'll shame them for not voting Hillary.

I think the best part of that post is that he actually thinks that we believe he has sympathy for anyone other than himself
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To be fair... I do have sympathy for those poor idiots who voted against their best interests.

Being dumb just makes me pity them more, not less. We take care of the less advantaged because they need help, not because they're thankful...
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The Admiral posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

--kresnik-- posted...

Obamacare did not help everybody. As many people died under it than you expect will die without. It was a bad plan and things were simply better before it existed, without question.

Yep. The ACA hurt far more than it helped and it's time to go back to scratch. Something needs done but Obamacare was not the way. What needs to happen is something to reign in the out of control insurance and pharm companies, but politicians are far too deep in those pockets for that to happen.

What needs to happen to actually reign in costs is quite a few things:

1. The garbage Bush legislation that prevents the government from negotiating for lower pharmaceutical prices needs to be repealed.

2. There needs to be a cap placed on end-of-life treatments, which are the majority of the U.S. healthcare expenditures. If the procedure will not lead to a significant improvement in either longevity or quality of life, doctors need to be required to refuse them. You can use fear mongering language like "death panels" if you want, but this is essential.

3. Malpractice litigation needs to be reformed. The Democrats have bogged down the system nonsense red tape that results in doctors ordering far more tests and recommending unnecessary procedures just to cover their asses and stave off malpractice lawsuits.

4. There needs to be a major PR campaign launched educating people about the difference between urgent care clinics and emergency rooms, and when to use one instead of the other.

I agree with 3 of the 4, especially 1 and 3, but I just can't get on board with 2. Specifically the "significant improvement in either longevity or quality of life" part, because who is to say what's significant? 6 months longer to live to spend more time with kids or grand kids can be hugely significant in some people's eyes. Death panels, and I will call them that, should not be a thing.
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The Deadpool posted...

To be fair... I do have sympathy for those poor idiots who voted against their best interests.

Being dumb just makes me pity them more, not less. We take care of the less advantaged because they need help, not because they're thankful...

These are crocodile tears.

The Admiral posted...

RaptorLC posted...

The Admiral posted...

I have zero sympathy for the Democrats who stayed home on Election Day and lose their coverage. For all the crybabies who wanted Bernie or the folks who couldn't stand to "hold their nose and vote for Hillary," this is the consequence of your inaction.

Right, and the gullible marks who were duped into voting for a laughably incompetent used car salesman just because he's Reality TV famous bear no responsibility for these events.

You've really stepped up the passive-aggressive sniping and toned down the reading comprehension since the election. Maybe you and Doom Art can join a support group to work on these issues together.

Hahaha Addy got slammed by a mod who didn't get demoted and is upset.
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Kim Kusanagi posted...

The Admiral posted...

RaptorLC posted...

The Admiral posted...

I have zero sympathy for the Democrats who stayed home on Election Day and lose their coverage. For all the crybabies who wanted Bernie or the folks who couldn't stand to "hold their nose and vote for Hillary," this is the consequence of your inaction.

Right, and the gullible marks who were duped into voting for a laughably incompetent used car salesman just because he's Reality TV famous bear no responsibility for these events.

You've really stepped up the passive-aggressive sniping and toned down the reading comprehension since the election. Maybe you and Doom Art can join a support group to work on these issues together.

Hahaha Addy got slammed by a mod who didn't get demoted and is upset.

Admiral was never denoted.

Ah yes, the "tort reform" battlecry of the right, wherein trying to remedy something that accounts for a minuscule percentage of medical expenditures will magically fix pretty much everything.

At least Addy didn't regurgitate the "let insurance policies cross state lines" nonsense.
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CircleOfManias posted...

Hopefully everyone that voted for the repeal (hell, or voted Republican in general) has a family member develop terminal cancer and be unable to afford insurance or treatment so they're forced to watch them die.

"Someone in your family supports repealing Obamacare, so I hope you die from cancer in order to teach them a lesson."

Pretty disgusting
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Capn Circus posted...

Santorin posted...

Wow TC be a little more dramatic lol

Did you listen to chuck schumer response today it was total fear mongering. He literally deserves an award for that performance.

Did he cry again?

I don't know anything about TC or why he would cry.

I do find it odd he didn't respond to my question about chuck schumer and his oscar dooms-day fear mongering performance today. Literally trying to scare everyone into thinking they need the government.
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The Admiral posted...

2. There needs to be a cap placed on end-of-life treatments, which are the majority of the U.S. healthcare expenditures. If the procedure will not lead to a significant improvement in either longevity or quality of life, doctors need to be required to refuse them. You can use fear mongering language like "death panels" if you want, but this is essential.

this is literally what the gop was talking about with death panels. it's actually worse, because they were complaining about countries like england, which don't cap medical expenditures per person, just analyze treatments to see if they're permissible in general in terms of quality life years or whatever

but yeah old dying people are what cost us the most
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JustMyOpinion posted...

Who the heck is this "we" and why should "we" continue to dump more money into healthcare that sucks for everyone except the uninsurable?

This isn't really complicated. The ACA, in a simplistic sense, is a program that helps people pay for their health insurance.

The problem is that premiums are too high.

How do you solve that problem?

Do you cancel the program and give people no help paying for their insurance?

Do you take money out and have the program help pay for insurance less than before?

Do you add money and have the program help more?

Or to look at it another way...

X is the premium, Y is how much the ACA helps and Z is the actual cost of insurance.

X+Y = Z

Lowering Y will only make X higher. The only way to lower X is to raise Y and/or lower Z.
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Santorin posted...

Capn Circus posted...

Santorin posted...

Wow TC be a little more dramatic lol

Did you listen to chuck schumer response today it was total fear mongering. He literally deserves an award for that performance.

Did he cry again?

I don't know anything about TC or why he would cry.

I do find it odd he didn't respond to my question about chuck schumer and his oscar dooms-day fear mongering performance today. Literally trying to scare everyone into thinking they need the government.

I was referring to Cuck Schumer. He cries sometimes during his doomsday speeches. Makes for great entertainment
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TheBiggerWiggle posted...

I feel no sympathy for a single Trump voter that loses their health care and gets sick. Not only that, I hope they die. Then maybe the country can start progressing forward again.

You want Trump supporters to die?

And apparently conservatives are bad people?