Current Events > It doesn't matter how much the food costs. Always tip 20%

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Questionmarktarius posted...

The Deadpool posted...

Companies are legally allowed to pay you below minimum wage because you are expected to make more out of tipping.

In almost every state, and any interstate chain, there's a guarantee of at least minimum wage, after adding tips to the weak base wage.

Truly.
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Iwin2013 posted...

Anisoptera posted...

Either work in a restaurant that's a 10-15 minute drive from your house or work in a factory job that's 30-60 minutes away. There's always better options, but one job is more convenient for reasons.

No, some people who work in a restaurant where the restaurant is around several retail shops. Either stay at the restaurant and don't apply at the shops because A.) lazy. B.) Want to be a victim.

the dont want to be a victim. they want to be a scammer.
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Iwin2013 posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

The Deadpool posted...

Companies are legally allowed to pay you below minimum wage because you are expected to make more out of tipping.

In almost every state, and any interstate chain, there's a guarantee of at least minimum wage, after adding tips to the weak base wage.

Truly.

If there was no expectation of a tip, then tippable wages would make no sense.

There are provision for if there isn't a tip, but the expectation, from a legal standpoint, is that there will be a tip.

Don't wanna tip? Learn to cook.
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The Deadpool posted...

Iwin2013 posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

The Deadpool posted...

Companies are legally allowed to pay you below minimum wage because you are expected to make more out of tipping.

In almost every state, and any interstate chain, there's a guarantee of at least minimum wage, after adding tips to the weak base wage.

Truly.

If there was no expectation of a tip, then tippable wages would make no sense.

There are provision for if there isn't a tip, but the expectation, from a legal standpoint, is that there will be a tip.

Don't wanna tip? Learn to cook.

That is stupid, most people know how to cook. Most people go out to eat because they are either celebrating a big moment like a promotion, a party, or just didn't feel like cooking anything that night. The rare person who doesn't know how to cook, either knows someone who does, or goes to McDonald's to eat cheap food. So take your arrogant attitude, and fuck off.
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Iwin2013 posted...

Most people go out to eat because they are either celebrating a big moment like a promotion, a party, or just didn't feel like cooking anything that night.

Most restaurant guests are the latter. They go out to eat because they don't want to cook. And they do that often.

And most people think "cook" is "shove things in microwave."

Learn to cook. Or stop being a cheapsteak. Preferably both.
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lol "stop being cheap"

its the only thing these ignorant gorillas can say
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The Deadpool posted...

Iwin2013 posted...

Most people go out to eat because they are either celebrating a big moment like a promotion, a party, or just didn't feel like cooking anything that night.

Most restaurant guests are the latter. They go out to eat because they don't want to cook. And they do that often.

And most people think "cook" is "shove things in microwave."

Learn to cook. Or stop being a cheapsteak. Preferably both.

That's a completely baseless assumption on the general populace.
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Anisoptera posted...

Muflaggin posted...

What do waiters do that makes them tip worthy over any other profession? Should I tip my garbage man too? He does a hell of a lot more then you do.

It takes a lot of effort to remember which order goes where and who ordered what. They have to deliver your food while it's still hot while attending multiple tables. They have to remember any special requests and

And that somehow puts them above others? lmao
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Maybe it's just the right time for automats to return...

Never tip. Go get a different job if you're crying about your wage
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TimePharaoh posted...

Never tip. Go get a different job if you're crying about your wage

with their skills all they can do is min wage jobs. but they cant scam tips working as a cashier.

they DONT want to get another job. they WANT to stay in the scam industry.
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Why are you expected to pay more on a $200 meal than a $20 meal when literally they server did the exact same thing of bringing the plate to you?

why are Americans so mean to those working minimum wage?

The Deadpool posted...

Don't wanna tip? Learn to cook.

Its arrogant little pricks like this that make me hate tipping. Your statement can go both ways especially since tipping isnt required. You dont like the pay? Get a better paying job. But but but I have expenses!!! boo fucking hoo we all do.

Here is the reality of the situation. Waitressing isnt that hard in the grand scope of things. You literally take an order (usually writing it down) bring drinks, refill said drinks, bring the food, and finally clear the table (which most places have a specific person for outside the waitress). You dont even do the hardest part of the work which is prepping and making the food. Do they get tipped? No. If you think that is hard you obviously havent had an actual hard job such as construction, electrician, roofing, plumbing, landscaping, etc. The hardest part of a waiter job is its semi fast paced depending on where you work.

Anisoptera posted...

why are Americans so mean to those working minimum wage?

Because these people choose to keep working those minimum wage jobs and have a sense of entitlement because of it.

I generally tip 15-25% depending on service, but any server bitching about any tip amounts that isn't 0 is an entitled idiot. And if you post that shit on social media to try and shame people, your an asshole who doesn't deserve your job in the first place. If you don't like having your daily income be a crapshoot, maybe you should go find another job where that isn't the known norm.
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The Deadpool posted...

Iwin2013 posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

The Deadpool posted...

Companies are legally allowed to pay you below minimum wage because you are expected to make more out of tipping.

In almost every state, and any interstate chain, there's a guarantee of at least minimum wage, after adding tips to the weak base wage.

Truly.

If there was no expectation of a tip, then tippable wages would make no sense.

There are provision for if there isn't a tip, but the expectation, from a legal standpoint, is that there will be a tip.

Don't wanna tip? Learn to cook.

Are you saying these people work harder than someone like me? I am a general laborer. I cut lawns, I wax floors, I do a little of everything. I clean bathrooms. I clean little kids and drunk ass adults puke and throw up off the floor for 10.47/HR. Am I out there demanding that I deserve, no that I demand a 20% tip for doing it? No. That's my job. I am not looking forward to staying in the industry forever, but I'm not asking for a handout cause I can't get two freaking plates to a table in 10 mins. Wanna know what happens if the wax on that floor doesn't dry on time? As I am currently waxing floors at a grocery store. I am bitched at, and even threatened to be written up. But heaven forbid, someone doesn't tip someone 20% on a bill. Get a better job.
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Sage JJ posted...

The Deadpool posted...

Don't wanna tip? Learn to cook.

Its arrogant little pricks like this that make me hate tipping. Your statement can go both ways especially since tipping isnt required. You dont like the pay? Get a better paying job. But but but I have expenses!!! boo fucking hoo we all do.

Here is the reality of the situation. Waitressing isnt that hard in the grand scope of things. You literally take an order (usually writing it down) bring drinks, refill said drinks, bring the food, and finally clear the table (which most places have a specific person for outside the waitress). You dont even do the hardest part of the work which is prepping and making the food. Do they get tipped? No. If you think that is hard you obviously havent had an actual hard job such as construction, electrician, roofing, plumbing, landscaping, etc. The hardest part of a waiter job is its semi fast paced depending on where you work.

I work as a maintenance worker, and moonlight on the side. If he's saying this, then he's a fucking idiot, and would put Dead Pool, the actual character to shame.
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Servers are so fucking entitled, they just expect tips and don't want to change the system while complaining about it

Tryhaptaward posted...

Servers are so fucking entitled, they just expect tips and don't want to change the system while complaining about it

And the food isn't THAT good. The only reason, I even go out is to celebrate a moment, or if it's an anniversary.
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Iwin2013 posted...

Are you saying these people work harder than someone like me?

Pay isn't related to how hard you work. I can sit in an office staring at a computer screen and make three times what a server makes.

The tipping system sucks, but that IS the system we have. Servers get paid more than minimum wage. There is no need to be bitter about it.
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What if i got a free large pizza from papa johns
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The Deadpool posted...

Iwin2013 posted...

Are you saying these people work harder than someone like me?

Pay isn't related to how hard you work. I can sit in an office staring at a computer screen and make three times what a server makes.

The tipping system sucks, but that IS the system we have. Servers get paid more than minimum wage. There is no need to be bitter about it.

LMFAO... SMH
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Sage JJ posted...

Here is the reality of the situation. Waitressing isnt that hard in the grand scope of things.

Being a CEO isn't that hard. You literally just listen to your advisors and tell other people what to do. Your job is just listening and talking.

How much you get paid isn't related to how much manual labor you do. Are you new at this job market business?
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Iwin2013 posted...

The Deadpool posted...

Iwin2013 posted...

Are you saying these people work harder than someone like me?

Pay isn't related to how hard you work. I can sit in an office staring at a computer screen and make three times what a server makes.

The tipping system sucks, but that IS the system we have. Servers get paid more than minimum wage. There is no need to be bitter about it.

LMFAO... SMH

Why? It's a perfectly accurate statement.
Wages are determined more by simple supply and demand. If you can be replaced tomorrow, without much effort needed in recruiting and training, don't expect to be paid a hell of a lot for what you're doing.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Iwin2013 posted...

The Deadpool posted...

Iwin2013 posted...

Are you saying these people work harder than someone like me?

Pay isn't related to how hard you work. I can sit in an office staring at a computer screen and make three times what a server makes.

The tipping system sucks, but that IS the system we have. Servers get paid more than minimum wage. There is no need to be bitter about it.

LMFAO... SMH

Why? It's a perfectly accurate statement.
Wages are determined more by simple supply and demand. If you can be replaced tomorrow, without much effort needed in recruiting and training, don't expect to be paid a hell of a lot for what you're doing.

So if I don't tip, it's just a lack of demand for that server?
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The Deadpool posted...

Sage JJ posted...

Here is the reality of the situation. Waitressing isnt that hard in the grand scope of things.

Being a CEO isn't that hard. You literally just listen to your advisors and tell other people what to do. Your job is just listening and talking.

How much you get paid isn't related to how much manual labor you do. Are you new at this job market business?

You forget that they actually do write up reports on financials right? Market Research? Do you understand these terms? They also negotiate partnerships and if the corporations runs franchise deals, the CEO has to travel and visit and make sure things are running smoothly. But noooo.. They get paid ridiculous amounts of money for just sitting on their asses. Dumbass liberal logic.
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Iwin2013 posted...

You forget that they actually do write up reports on financials right? Market Research?

Actually, most of the math is done by analysts. Whose job is to sit down and plug numbers into a calculator and get paid infinitely more than you.

If it makes you feel better, Michael Jackson got paid for spinning around and singing and Johnny Depp gets paid to walk around and talk.

All of those jobs are "easier" than installing a toilet, and they all get paid way more.

How much physical labor goes into a job isn't related to how well they get paid. And physical labor isn't the only part of a job.

The funny thing is the tipping set up helps the restaurant and the costumers. The person who actually gets fucked is the server...
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Balrog0 posted...

So if I don't tip, it's just a lack of demand for that server?

Yes.

Giant_Aspirin posted...

Yaridovich posted...

My policy is a 0% tip. I always put lines through the tip section of receipts too so nobody writes one in.

i bet you don't actually do this IRL because you're afraid of the repercussions and you just want to sound like a tough guy on CE

For the record there is no repercussions to not tipping unless you eat at said resteraunt all thr time.....

Id also like to point out some resteraunts likd nordstrom pay their employees a normal min wage and these people still rediculously expect a tip.

The Deadpool posted...

The funny thing is the tipping set up helps the restaurant and the costumers. The person who actually gets fucked is the server...

lol if you actually believe this. servers are guaranteed minimum wage. the tipping system allows for minimum wage to be their floor instead of their ceiling and they usually make like $15/hr+ on average with tips factored in. explain to me how servers are the ones that are getting fucked exactly
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Personally this tipping entitled nonesense needs to die. Pay them a min wage, and that is all they deserve.

Not all jobs get paid tips, so why should a min wage waitress expect a tip. And yes there all those who make min wage and still expect a tip.

The Deadpool posted...

Iwin2013 posted...

You forget that they actually do write up reports on financials right? Market Research?

Actually, most of the math is done by analysts. Whose job is to sit down and plug numbers into a calculator and get paid infinitely more than you.

If it makes you feel better, Michael Jackson got paid for spinning around and singing and Johnny Depp gets paid to walk around and talk.

All of those jobs are "easier" than installing a toilet, and they all get paid way more.

How much physical labor goes into a job isn't related to how well they get paid. And physical labor isn't the only part of a job.

The funny thing is the tipping set up helps the restaurant and the costumers. The person who actually gets fucked is the server...

That's not always true. But believe in the stereotypes. My friend is a CEO, and has tons of paperwork on his desk every day. Yet, others do it for him. His job is to over see financials hence why he went to business school to be able to understand statistics, and other analysis.
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WaterLink posted...

servers are guaranteed minimum wage.

You seem to believe servers only deserve minimum wage... Which is adorable, but the country seems to disagree.

Iwin2013 posted...

My friend is a CEO, and has tons of paperwork on his desk every day.

Oh man he has to sit and *gasp* read things too? Well you've surely upended my entire argument about income not being related to amount of physical work. I mean the dude has to READ...

Iwin2013 posted...

Yet, others do it for him.

Or have other people read it for him.

I'm sorry, what was your argument again?
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The Deadpool posted...

You seem to believe servers only deserve minimum wage... Which is adorable, but the country seems to disagree.

Not at all. Just saying that the argument that their employers only pay them a few dollars an hour is misleading because they're only able to do that because tips allow servers to make more than that. If they didn't get tips the employers would legally be required to pay them more. So it's not like $2 or 3 is their actual floor for earnings.

Also, let's say tipping was done away with, employers would probably pay close to minimum wage, probably a little higher but not much. Let's say we set it at $10/hr. That would still be lower than what most servers actually make today with tips factored in. The idea that the servers are getting screwed over by the tipping system is just laughable
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WaterLink posted...

Also, let's say tipping was done away with, employers would probably pay close to minimum wage, probably a little higher but not much. Let's say we set it at $10/hr.

Here's the problem: that would cost the restaurant money. AND the consumer.

A good server makes the restaurant a lot of money. And you're not getting a good server for minimum wage.

And companies wouldn't let that affect their bottom line too much. So if they're paying servers more guess what they do? Raise the food cost. That's what happened when's Minnesotta got rid of tippable wages and it would be even more ridiculous if tipping went away.

A restaurant needs servers to be well paid, because a server that gets paid well makes them a lot of money. And they don't want to pay it themselves. And costumers don't want expensive food. So we end up with tipping. Letting a percent of the costumers foot the bill for the other percent of the the costumers.
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The Deadpool posted...

Don't wanna tip? Learn to cook.

What does tipping the person who brings me food actually cooked by someone else have to do with my ability to cook? Maybe the waiter should learn to cook so they could have a better job lulz
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TimePharaoh posted...

What does tipping the person who brings me food actually cooked by someone else have to do with my ability to cook?

Then you can cook for yourself, and stay home and not have to tip anyone.

I guess it'd be easier to go to McDonald's. But cooking at home would be cheaper and maybe help the country's obesity problem...
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The Deadpool posted...

The person who actually gets f***ed is the server...

that chose to work that job and get upset that not everyone falls for their scam
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The Deadpool posted...

TimePharaoh posted...

What does tipping the person who brings me food actually cooked by someone else have to do with my ability to cook?

Then you can cook for yourself, and stay home and not have to tip anyone.

I guess it'd be easier to go to McDonald's. But cooking at home would be cheaper and maybe help the country's obesity problem...

Like I said, unless you have wax build up in your ears or in this case; blinders on your eyes, most people go out to eat for a celebration or to date someone. Those who date are usually younger and don't have much responsibilities or can afford to tip, but anyways my point is. Tips shouldn't be mandatory, I work hard for my money. You should greet me with SUPREMB service before you even think about getting more than the bill. Even though my girl tips regardless, never seen such stupidly. *rolls eyes*
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The Deadpool posted...

Raise the food cost.

good. better than dealing with entitled unskilled bottom feeders that all have varying expectations.
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The Deadpool posted...

Here's the problem: that would cost the restaurant money. AND the consumer.

No it wouldn't. Like you said restaurants would probably raise the prices more to account for increased wage expense. Their bottom line probably wouldn't change much. The consumer pays more for the food, BUT, no longer has to tip. That's also a wash. The only people screwed by it would be the servers.
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ModLogic posted...

that chose to work that job and get upset that not everyone falls for their scam

Except it's the restaurant's scam. They started it during prohibition to save money.

Iwin2013 posted...

most people go out to eat for a celebration or to date someone.

Incorrect. Most people go out just because they felt like it. Dates and celebrations and even lunch breaks together make up less than half of service at your average restaurant.

Unlike you, I'm not guessing. Half a decade or so ago Darden Restaurants started asking guests why they come out to eat and "Every Day Meal" was the most common response by far.
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The Deadpool posted...

Except it's the restaurant's scam

that servers all so happily sign up for
the only victim is the gullible consumers. who get pressured into tipping
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WaterLink posted...

No it wouldn't. Like you said restaurants would probably raise the prices more to account for increased wage expense.

Except the restaurant now has less motivated and less productive servers. So the restaurant is now paying more for less.

They could match the ~20-25 an hour, but now they are paying bad servers as much as good servers. And it's costing them more.

WaterLink posted...

The consumer pays more for the food, BUT, no longer has to tip.

But it won't be one-to-one. Volume isn't 100% of the time, so an hourly pay would have to cover all of it. Food prices would go up disproportionately to make up for it.

Also, you no longer have the option to tip poorly because you had a bad week, or your service sucked, or you just don't like to tip. No longer will good tippers be offsetting the shitty ones: you all have to pay the same. Which would hurt the bad tippers the most.

Also also, less motivated and incentivezed servers hurts your guest experience.

Both the restaurant and the guest benefits from tipping. The restaurant clearly more so.
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ModLogic posted...

The Deadpool posted...

Except it's the restaurant's scam

that servers all so happily sign up for
the only victim is the gullible consumers. who get pressured into tipping

I guess children "sign up" for sweatshops too so it's not the company's fault?

The costumer "signs up" for it the second he walks into the restaurant just as the server "signs up" for it when the server gets hired.

Stop being bitter about it. Change the system or learn to cook for yourself. Don't punish the server cuz they make more than you.
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The Deadpool posted...

Also, you no longer have the option to tip poorly because you had a bad week, or your service sucked, or you just don't like to tip. No longer will good tippers be offsetting the shitty ones: you all have to pay the same. Which would hurt the bad tippers the most.

So if we can admit to this can we at least agree servers shouldn't be shaming the bad tippers on social media? The system itself benefits them and it's not going to change bad tippers into good tippers. It only sends an entitlement attitude that negatively impacts the image of themselves and the restaurant, especially considering I very rarely see these same people posting the tickets of people who tip ridiculous amounts that make their day.
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The Deadpool posted...

WaterLink posted...

No it wouldn't. Like you said restaurants would probably raise the prices more to account for increased wage expense.

Except the restaurant now has less motivated and less productive servers. So the restaurant is now paying more for less.

They could match the ~20-25 an hour, but now they are paying bad servers as much as good servers. And it's costing them more.

...you already said "tip 20% of don't go out", they're already being paid the same. Fuck are you even trying to argue. Never gonna tip none of them
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The Deadpool posted...

ModLogic posted...

The Deadpool posted...

Except it's the restaurant's scam

that servers all so happily sign up for
the only victim is the gullible consumers. who get pressured into tipping

I guess children "sign up" for sweatshops too so it's not the company's fault?

The costumer "signs up" for it the second he walks into the restaurant just as the server "signs up" for it when the server gets hired..

lulz. I like you
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The Deadpool posted...

WaterLink posted...

Also, let's say tipping was done away with, employers would probably pay close to minimum wage, probably a little higher but not much. Let's say we set it at $10/hr.

Here's the problem: that would cost the restaurant money. AND the consumer.

A good server makes the restaurant a lot of money. And you're not getting a good server for minimum wage.

And companies wouldn't let that affect their bottom line too much. So if they're paying servers more guess what they do? Raise the food cost. That's what happened when's Minnesotta got rid of tippable wages and it would be even more ridiculous if tipping went away.

A restaurant needs servers to be well paid, because a server that gets paid well makes them a lot of money. And they don't want to pay it themselves. And costumers don't want expensive food. So we end up with tipping. Letting a percent of the costumers foot the bill for the other percent of the the costumers.

Except that you actually do end up with expensive food because you are still paying that cost anyway.
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