Current Events > So glad Path of Exile is doing away with the stupidest Diablo 2 holdover.

(+) Yeah! (+)

No more repeating acts in different difficulties. 10 acts will get you from 1 to lategame, and there will be no more leveling on the hardest difficulty level - that's exclusively for lategame now.

If only it was half as good as diablo 2.
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Cookie Bag posted...

If only it was half as good as diablo 2.

It's far better than Diablo 2.

OctilIery posted...

Cookie Bag posted...

If only it was half as good as diablo 2.

It's far better than Diablo 2.

LMAO

not even close
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diablo2 was fun and all but yeah I dunno how you could ever thing it's better than PoE. Unless you make mods or something since D2 actually supports that
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roos1046 Reborn posted...

OctilIery posted...

Cookie Bag posted...

If only it was half as good as diablo 2.

It's far better than Diablo 2.

LMAO

not even close

It really is, just by virtue of having Diablo 2 to build off. So much more, and more expansive, while fixing many of the issues Diablo 2 had.

kirbymuncher posted...

diablo2 was fun and all but yeah I dunno how you could ever thing it's better than PoE. Unless you make mods or something since D2 actually supports that

To be fair, PoE has fairly good reason to not support mods, far too abusable when it doesn't have an offline mode.

I like both diablo 2 and path of exile.
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They got rid of pvp?

OctilIery posted...

Cookie Bag posted...

If only it was half as good as diablo 2.

It's far better than Diablo 2.

Classic octiwrong
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Is anyone going to support their claims about why PoE is better or worse than D2?
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Megaman50100 posted...

Is anyone going to support their claims about why PoE is better or worse than D2?

I don't like PoE, but I have a feeling that most people who make comments like the above about how PoE is worse than Diablo 2 probably haven't played Diablo 2 in a very long time and don't remember a lot of the bullshit in the game.

There are similar issues with the original Half-Life as well, and how certain people are extremely adamant that it's the best shooter ever.
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Megaman50100 posted...

Is anyone going to support their claims about why PoE is better or worse than D2?

it doesn't tie skills to weapons. It doesn't have the labyrinth. It doesn't have 30,000 different currencies to create a need to buy stash space, it doesn't have that stupid as fuck passive gem system, teleports can be shared, no stupid merchant level up system, better classes including the best minion master in gaming, the D2 necro, and a better villian and better lore.
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At least we can all agree that PoE blows D3 out of the water.
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Megaman50100 posted...

Is anyone going to support their claims about why PoE is better or worse than D2?

PoE lets you actually make builds that have variety, while D2 (by the nature of its skill tree and stats system) you just dump all your stats into health and all your skills into synergies and then just constantly click the same skill over and over and over again

PoE lets you respec skills more easily (passive skills are a still a bit of a pain if you want to respec a bunch)

PoE has more consistent map design/generation

PoE actually has a functioning economy and lategame, while D2's economy and lategame are basically both based around the assumption that 99% of players are bots
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I Like Toast posted...

Megaman50100 posted...

Is anyone going to support their claims about why PoE is better or worse than D2?

it doesn't tie skills to weapons. It doesn't have the labyrinth. It doesn't have 30,000 different currencies to create a need to buy stash space, it doesn't have that stupid as fuck passive gem system, teleports can be shared, no stupid merchant level up system, better classes including the best minion master in gaming, the D2 necro, and a better villian and better lore.

I agree with most of this, but I don't necessarily think skills tied to weapons is bad.

There are also issues with D2 that bother me, but honestly, the fucking currency bullshit is what immediately drove me away from the game.
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A5modeu5 posted...

I like both diablo 2 and path of exile.

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I've never played D2. I enjoyed PoE both solo and co-op.
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kirbymuncher posted...

PoE lets you actually make builds that have variety

lmao. Poe is just as cookie cutter as every ARPG. If anything PoE is worse because if you don't get all your gear with the right links and the right color you will be inferior.

kirbymuncher posted...

PoE lets you respec skills more easily (passive skills are a still a bit of a pain if you want to respec a bunch)

D2 patched in full respec years ago. Which is far easier than having to trade 20 different currencies to convert over until you get enough respec orbs to do it.

kirbymuncher posted...

PoE has more consistent map design/generation

both are generated

kirbymuncher posted...

PoE actually has a functioning economy and lategame,

both rely 100% on 3rd party sites.

The only things PoE does better is their seasons have unique mechanics, its free, and lootfilters.
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path of exile summoner is just as good as necromancer if not better because you have more active skills to use rather than just sitting around with your monitor off.

I also am not quite sure what you mean by teleports being shareable... PoE also lets you go through party members' town portals.

PoE also doesn't really tie skills to weapons, it ties skills to things you put into weapon sockets. Which is different because you can use the same exact skill setup with different gear as long as it has the same sockets
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kirbymuncher posted...

PoE also doesn't really tie skills to weapons, it ties skills to things you put into weapon sockets. Which is different because you can use the same exact skill setup with different gear as long as it has the same sockets

many of the attacks require certain weapon types. it's for fluff reasons, but I think it makes enough sense.
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kirbymuncher posted...

path of exile summoner is just as good as necromancer i

bwwwwwhahahahahahahahahahahahahakirbymuncher posted...

as long as it has the same sockets

and where are the sockets?
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kirbymuncher posted...

path of exile summoner is just as good as necromancer if not better because you have more active skills to use rather than just sitting around with your monitor off.

The necromancer literally has two entire trees dedicated to actives.

PoE also doesn't really tie skills to weapons, it ties skills to things you put into weapon sockets. Which is different because you can use the same exact skill setup with different gear as long as it has the same sockets

lets be real. It won't. you could find a great weapon upgrade and have to discard it because the number of sockets is shorter, you could find some gear that has different colored sockets. It's like how some armor in D2 is straight up nonviable because you can't fit certain runewords in it.
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I Like Toast posted...

lmao. Poe is just as cookie cutter as every ARPG. If anything PoE is worse because if you don't get all your gear with the right links and the right color you will be inferior.

Yeah, I know right. Imagine if loot mattered in a loot based game? OMG!!!! That would suck! I'm just going to stick to D3 where I don't have to think about loot.
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whitelytning posted...

I Like Toast posted...

lmao. Poe is just as cookie cutter as every ARPG. If anything PoE is worse because if you don't get all your gear with the right links and the right color you will be inferior.

Yeah, I know right. Imagine if loot mattered in a loot based game? OMG!!!! That would suck! I'm just going to stick to D3 where I don't have to think about loot.

I don't think you've played D3 if you think loot doesn't matter in that game.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

lets be real. It won't. you could find a great weapon upgrade and have to discard it because the number of sockets is shorter, you could find some gear that has different colored sockets. It's like how some armor in D2 is straight up nonviable because you can't fit certain runewords in it.

color is not an issue. at all. chromatic orbs are plentiful. max sockets can be, but can usually be planned for (since it's only a difference between a 6-socket two-hand weapon, or two 3-socket weapons/shield.)
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whitelytning posted...

Imagine if loot mattered in a loot based game

ChromaticAngel posted...

lets be real. It won't. you could find a great weapon upgrade and have to discard it because the number of sockets is shorter, you could find some gear that has different colored sockets

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ChromaticAngel posted...

I don't think you've played D3 if you think loot doesn't matter in that game.

Loot matters. Thinking about loot and making decisions about it don't.


Step 1. Take the set that Blizz gives you for leveling up.
Step 2. Find more of the same set items but with better stats.
Step 3. Ignore everything else because if you don't get set items or items that receive bonuses for wearing groups of them the items are useless.
Step 4. Troll about how great the D3 loot system is.
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whitelytning posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

I don't think you've played D3 if you think loot doesn't matter in that game.

Loot matters. Thinking about loot and making decisions about it don't.


Step 1. Take the set that Blizz gives you for leveling up.
Step 2. Find more of the same set items but with better stats.
Step 3. Ignore everything else because if you don't get set items or items that receive bonuses for wearing groups of them the items are useless.
Step 4. Troll about how great the D3 loot system is.

ok, what do you cube? what do you gem? what about for the gear you need that aren't part of your set like weapons? What about not going full set such as a 4/6 build?

Gearing up in D3 is a lifelong thing especially since you get kicked back to level 1 every time there is a new season and usually meta changes that means the next DH you build would be more effective than the last DH's build you had.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

lets be real. It won't.

fortunately unless you want 5 or 6 sockets which are like, very lategame gear, you can use currency orbs to pretty easily craft any combination of sockets/links/colours onto an item

ChromaticAngel posted...

The necromancer literally has two entire trees dedicated to actives.

And they use 1 off each tree: corpse explosion and amplify damage (I guess they also use teleport but that's not one of their skills and the fact they need it to not be extremely frustrating to play is another point against them). In general I think curses getting an entire tree is very silly when you can only ever apply one to an enemy at a time

I Like Toast posted...

D2 patched in full respec years ago.

Isn't it only single-use? I might be mistaken on that though. It's definitely not easy to just try out a few different skills and see which ones you like, from what I remember.

I Like Toast posted...

both are generated

Yeah, I know that. PoE's seem to follow more rules when generating though which make the maps more consistently similar, unlike D2s which are for the most part extremely random. It makes the game feel more structured and intelligently laid out rather than just rolling some dice and seeing what turns up

I Like Toast posted...

both rely 100% on 3rd party sites.

That's not what I meant by functional. I meant in PoE when you find rare/expensive stuff it actually is valued at an appropriate amount (well, except in standard league lol). D2 was so full of duped items and then later bots that actually trying to farm up anything yourself is meaningless. The game is basically designed around this too with high runes having absolutely minuscule drop chances and Uber Diablo being one of the most hilarious ways of trying to reduce inflation
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I Like Toast posted...

lmao. Poe is just as cookie cutter as every ARPG. If anything PoE is worse because if you don't get all your gear with the right links and the right color you will be inferior.

Except you can modify the gear and links very reliably, and in PoE you have a LOT more options for variety. It isn't cookie cutter at all.

ChromaticAngel posted...

lets be real. It won't. you could find a great weapon upgrade and have to discard it because the number of sockets is shorter, you could find some gear that has different colored sockets. It's like how some armor in D2 is straight up nonviable because you can't fit certain runewords in it.

Really? Because I've found a great item with worse sockets and crafted it with no problem.

kirbymuncher posted...

fortunately unless you want 5 or 6 sockets which are like, very lategame gear

Lmao. Since when is level 30 very very late?


kirbymuncher posted...

And they use 1 off each tree: corpse explosion and amplify damage

kirbymuncher posted...

Isn't it only single-use

No, limited to 4 or 5.

kirbymuncher posted...

intelligently laid out

Nope. But you're also trying to claim one community driven economy is more real than another community driven economy you made it abundantly clear that you're just fanboing.
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OctilIery posted...

reliably

Classic octiwrong

OctilIery posted...

It isn't cookie cutter at all.

Lmao classic octiwrong.

The illusion of choice in poe is precisely that. You can choose to be less effective in both games. Or your going to follow the logical path of your build.
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I Like Toast posted...

Lmao. Since when is level 30 very very late?

the need for 5 and 6 linked sockets isn't until a lot later than that. many builds can do low tier maps with nothing but 4ls. some can go even further.
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Medussa posted...

the need

Lmao
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When people scream out LMAO it's clear butthurt. For the record I don't care about either game.
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I Like Toast posted...

Medussa posted...

the need

Lmao

are you capable of a real discussion, or are you just here to troll? if you have a point, make it.
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Medussa posted...

I Like Toast posted...

Medussa posted...

the need

Lmao

are you capable of a real discussion, or are you just here to troll? if you have a point, make it.

He doesn't.

AzurexNightmare posted...

When people scream out LMAO it's clear butthurt. For the record I don't care about either game.

This is the best post in this thread so far.
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kirbymuncher posted...

path of exile summoner is just as good as necromancer if not better because you have more active skills to use rather than just sitting around with your monitor off.

the necro was always a pretty active build at higher levels iirc, those skeletons stop being useful and your golem needs back up
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I Like Toast posted...

Nope. But you're also trying to claim one community driven economy is more real than another community driven economy you made it abundantly clear that you're just fanboing.

If you consider bots an illegitimate form of play (which I do) then PoE's economy is definitely better since it isn't supported mostly by bots farming items like in D2.

If you don't really care about bots I guess they're basically the same
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Medussa posted...

if you have a point, make it.

I did. Before you even posted. Need is irrelevant. It would be like me arguing you don't need rune words in d2 or sets in D3. Fuck you might as well say you don't need the passive tree in poe because you can still do content!
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kirbymuncher posted...

If you consider bots an illegitimate form of play (which I do) then PoE's economy is definitely better since it isn't supported mostly by bots farming items like in D2.

If you don't really care about bots I guess they're basically the same

I only play self find and don't give a fuck how anyone else gets their gear. Both have equally atrocious economies
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I Like Toast posted...

Medussa posted...

if you have a point, make it.

I did. Before you even posted. Need is irrelevant. It would be like me arguing you don't need rune words in d2 or sets in D3. Fuck you might as well say you don't need the passive tree in poe because you can still do content!

you don't need runewords in D2 or sets in D3 at level 30. just like you don't need 5ls in poe at level 30. I have absolutely no idea what point you're trying to make, but I'm guessing you just completely misunderstood kirby's, and are now just arguing to save face.
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Medussa posted...

you don't need runewords in D2 or sets in D3 at level 30

D3 doesn't start until lvl 70. You will want sets as soon as you hit 70 or you will be doing lower torment and always be behind.

But good to see I was right not responding to you since you can't address the actual point and only want to change the argument.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

lets be real. It won't. you could find a great weapon upgrade and have to discard it because the number of sockets is shorter, you could find some gear that has different colored sockets. It's like how some armor in D2 is straight up nonviable because you can't fit certain runewords in it.

What. Chromatic and Jeweller's orbs are cheap as hell and very common. You can get any color and socket combination you want on any piece of gear as long as the ilvl is high enough.
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I Like Toast posted...

Medussa posted...

you don't need runewords in D2 or sets in D3 at level 30

D3 doesn't start until lvl 70. You will want sets as soon as you hit 70 or you will be doing lower torment and always be behind.

But good to see I was right not responding to you since you can't address the actual point and only want to change the argument.

i still have no fucking idea what your argument is. please, explain why you made this response:

I Like Toast posted...

kirbymuncher posted...


fortunately unless you want 5 or 6 sockets which are like, very lategame gear


Lmao. Since when is level 30 very very late?

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I Like Toast posted...

Lmao. Since when is level 30 very very late?

You aren't getting 5 or 6 sockets at 30 unless you're EXTREMELY lucky. More like 50+ for 5, 70+ for 6. Hell, at 30 if you got a 6 socket, you probably wouldn't even be able to use it because the mana cost would be insane.

I Like Toast posted...

The illusion of choice in poe is precisely that. You can choose to be less effective in both games. Or your going to follow the logical path of your build.

"There is a more effective build" doesn't make your build less viable. There are hundreds of viable builds in any given League when you consider skill choice, starting class and ascendancy, and defensive options.

I want witch hexes to be permanent again. It was cool getting to nerf bosses with 'em back in the day. =|
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Most people roll with 4-linked chests until mid merciless before they start to look to buy a 5L. It's fine. Some people will twink a bit and buy a Tabula, but even then the mana costs make it so you don't end up using the 5th or 6th socket for a long time.

It's actually not even possible for a 5 or 6 socket item to drop at 30 unless you get a +2 socket strongbox.

5 sockets can (although extremely rarely) start dropping at 35, and 6 sockets is around 50.
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Medussa posted...

i still have no fucking idea what your argument is. please, explain why you made this response

Exactly what it said. You're going to be getting 5 and 6 slots by then. No one until you was talking about need, because need is irrelevant in a genre that is built around min maxing rng loot.

OctilIery posted...

You aren't getting 5 or 6 sockets at 30

Classic octiwrong.

OctilIery posted...

"There is a more effective build" doesn't make your build less viable

Yes, it's literally what more effective means, that you are more viable. You can do more content, do it faster, which means you get your next upgrade faster, and continue to keep getting further ahead.

It would be like you only playing on normal in pre 3.0 and saying it's still viable.
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