Current Events > I'm starting to think Smash Bros Switch will be a sequel and not a remaster

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If it was Smash Bros for Wii U remastered I think it would have been announced by now for next year. Anyone else agree? Seems like the window for a remaster instead of a full blown sequel is passing by.
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I really fucking hope not. I know it sounds weird but I'd rather just have Sm4sh remastered on Switch for now, cuz it'd be such a tragedy to have that lineup wasted on the dopey-ass WiiU. It's too important of a video game to live and die on a flop system with an install base of only like 10 million.
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I actually disagree because I think the Switch online service being delayed is the reason a remaster hasn't been announced.

I agree we'll get a Smash sequel for Switch, but I think that's way down the line. For now, I think the remaster will come, but launch alongside the online service next year. What better way to get people to pony up the cash online than Smash?

I fucking hope so.
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ForestLogic posted...

I really fucking hope not. I know it sounds weird but I'd rather just have Sm4sh remastered on Switch for now, cuz it'd be such a tragedy to have that lineup wasted on the dopey-ass WiiU. It's too important of a video game to live and die on a flop system with an install base of only like 10 million.

I'll be sad if the sequel loses characters like Bayonetta and Cloud yeah. If they can keep the roster I'd be ecstatic though.

TheDarkCircle posted...

I actually disagree because I think the Switch online service being delayed is the reason a remaster hasn't been announced.

I agree we'll get a Smash sequel for Switch, but I think that's way down the line. For now, I think the remaster will come, but launch alongside the online service next year. What better way to get people to pony up the cash online than Smash?

Hmm that's an interesting theory. I think next year is the last chance for a remaster being feasible. It'll be coming up to 4 years after the original release.

Nintendo has announced games like 4-6 months before release before so it is possible.
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Darmik posted...

If it was Smash Bros for Wii U remastered I think it would have been announced by now for next year. Anyone else agree? Seems like the window for a remaster instead of a full blown sequel is passing by.

Reggie said there will never be multiple Smash games on a single system so I do believe that Nintendo will do Smash Switch instead of Sm4sh. Plus, we aren't too far away the time frame in which a new Smash comes out. 2019/2020 is closer than people think.
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how is it going to be a sequel when Sakurai is on vacation?

I didn't get a Wii U, and I missed out on Sm4sh, so if there's a remaster, I'd like that.

I'm also hoping for a sequel.
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Apocalyptic posted...

Darmik posted...

If it was Smash Bros for Wii U remastered I think it would have been announced by now for next year. Anyone else agree? Seems like the window for a remaster instead of a full blown sequel is passing by.

Reggie said there will never be multiple Smash games on a single system so I do believe that Nintendo will do Smash Switch instead of Sm4sh. Plus, we aren't too far away the time frame in which a new Smash comes out. 2019/2020 is closer than people think.

Yeah that's what I was thinking. They'll start the Smash hype cycle next year for a 2019/2020 release.
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The only thing though is even if they do start the hype train as early as next year, nothing will ever match the hype of the last game.

Like, outside of Master Chief or Goku there's nothing they can do that will top the lineup of the last game.
(No, Ridley or Inklings aren't even close)
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Smash 4 with a couple new stages and characters for the Switch. That's really all we need.
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ForestLogic posted...

The only thing though is even if they do start the hype train as early as next year, nothing will ever match the hype of the last game.

Like, outside of Master Chief or Goku there's nothing they can do that will top the lineup of the last game.
(No, Ridley or Inklings aren't even close)

Mickey Mouse.

But characters like Cloud have room for improvement. Something about him seemed barebones compared to other characters. Would be awesome seeing characters like him, Bayonetta and Ryu having those CG trailers.
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Simon Belmont for Smash pls.
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Considering how Nintendo has been announcing games recently, I doubt it. Since Kimishima has been at the helm, feels like Nintendo has gone more into a silent mode until they really need to show their hand. That's likely the reason they revealed Pokemon (due to the backlash after the Pokemon direct and Pokken being the only thing for Switch) as well as Metroid (which they openly admitted to only revealing due to not wanting backlash).

Since they know Smash is big, and they know their line up is looking sufficient already, they have no need to reveal Smash now. Don't forget that from announcement to release of several Switch games has been about six months, which is pretty short for any game.

Now if it were the end of the year, I think this topic would be validated a bit more, but there's no reason to let out their big guns when they have their current line up revealed. At least that's how current Nintendo strategy seems to play, compared to how they were in the past with Iwata.

Smash Bros for Switch has a 90% chance of being what we get imo
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Terra-enforcer posted...

Considering how Nintendo has been announcing games recently, I doubt it. Since Kimishima has been at the helm, feels like Nintendo has gone more into a silent mode until they really need to show their hand. That's likely the reason they revealed Pokemon (due to the backlash after the Pokemon direct and Pokken being the only thing for Switch) as well as Metroid (which they openly admitted to only revealing due to not wanting backlash).

Since they know Smash is big, and they know their line up is looking sufficient already, they have no need to reveal Smash now. Don't forget that from announcement to release of several Switch games has been about six months, which is pretty short for any game.

Now if it were the end of the year, I think this topic would be validated a bit more, but there's no reason to let out their big guns when they have their current line up revealed. At least that's how current Nintendo strategy seems to play, compared to how they were in the past with Iwata.

Smash Bros for Switch has a 90% chance of being what we get imo

It was overall the same under Iwata too. Biggest exceptions were always Zelda, Smash Bros and some other premature announcements when the consoles were early in their lifespan.

The biggest thing is that I don't know if they really need a Smash remaster now. I don't see the Switch having two Smash games. So if they release Smash Bros 4 again does that mean there won't be a new Smash Bros game at all for Switch? Would they really sacrifice that? Originally I thought they would to get a big game out for the holidays. But that's not happening. I think if it's not releasing in the first half of 2018 then we're getting a sequel.

I remember people thinking Splatoon was just gonna get a remaster but instead it got a sequel so I guess we'll see. Maybe it'll be a sequel in the same engine for example.
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Hmm I just had a thought that they'd have a completely new line of Amiibo if it's a sequel heh. Maybe that's also why ARMS didn't get a single Amiibo because one of 'em will be a newcomer and get an amiibo that way.

Everything has been pretty quiet on the Sakurai/SORA front right?
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Darmik posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

Considering how Nintendo has been announcing games recently, I doubt it. Since Kimishima has been at the helm, feels like Nintendo has gone more into a silent mode until they really need to show their hand. That's likely the reason they revealed Pokemon (due to the backlash after the Pokemon direct and Pokken being the only thing for Switch) as well as Metroid (which they openly admitted to only revealing due to not wanting backlash).

Since they know Smash is big, and they know their line up is looking sufficient already, they have no need to reveal Smash now. Don't forget that from announcement to release of several Switch games has been about six months, which is pretty short for any game.

Now if it were the end of the year, I think this topic would be validated a bit more, but there's no reason to let out their big guns when they have their current line up revealed. At least that's how current Nintendo strategy seems to play, compared to how they were in the past with Iwata.

Smash Bros for Switch has a 90% chance of being what we get imo

It was overall the same under Iwata too. Biggest exceptions were always Zelda, Smash Bros and some other premature announcements when the consoles were early in their lifespan.

The biggest thing is that I don't know if they really need a Smash remaster now. I don't see the Switch having two Smash games. So if they release Smash Bros 4 again does that mean there won't be a new Smash Bros game at all for Switch? Would they really sacrifice that? Originally I thought they would to get a big game out for the holidays. But that's not happening. I think if it's not releasing in the first half of 2018 then we're getting a sequel.

I remember people thinking Splatoon was just gonna get a remaster but instead it got a sequel so I guess we'll see. Maybe it'll be a sequel in the same engine for example.

Eh, maybe Wii U era Iwata was on the mind when making that, because they did it a LOT more than just with Zelda back then. Smash, Kart, Xenoblade, Yoshi's WW, Mario Maker, Star Fox, etc. They had a lot of games announced a lot earlier than release in the Wii U era. They definitely waited at times, and did quick reveal to release announcements beforehand, but it feels more accentuated now. Took them forever to reveal the Switch, they've been waiting longer for certain Directs, and they only focus on the seemingly immediate releases. Like I said, they only announced Metroid and Pokemon because of backlash (they openly admitted to it for Metroid, and I'm assuming that's why they did what they did for Pokemon).

We know they're holding back several games (such as Rare's big game), so I'm pretty sure they're just doing the same with Smash. Smash for Switch WILL be a new game technically. Most everyone is expecting a slight port with more characters, modes, and stages/trophies or whatever. And I mean, Smash is already at the point where it's not like there's a lot more they can or even should add, so I don't see why it would need to be a full sequel.

And it couldn't release this holiday considering Nintendo's current "one game per month" strategy as I mentioned before. Also people only thought Splatoon 2 was a port because of all of the rumors. Smash "for Switch" only makes sense considering what I said above. It wouldn't be remaster technically, and the Wii U version is already filled to the brim with content.
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I could see it being a 1.5 sorta sequel. Same foundation/engine with completely different levels and new single player content, several new fighters/removed fighters, trophies, balance adjustments etc.

I don't really see why a simple port/remaster would be something worth withholding at this point. If it was an early 2018 release you'd think they'd announce it with Yoshi and Kirby.
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27_Sandman_40 posted...

Simon/Alucard, Ryu Hayabusa, Chocobo, King K Rool, Dixie, Tails, Ice Climbers, Sora, Dark Samus, Snake, etc

lolll uhhh.. way to prove the point of the post you quoted
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A new Smash on the Switch is inevitable.
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MegaButterfree posted...

Darmik posted...

I could see it being a 1.5 sorta sequel. Same foundation/engine with completely different levels and new single player content, several new fighters/removed fighters, trophies, balance adjustments etc.

I'm thinking it'll be something like this too, at that point it's basically just a new game on the same engine of 4 though, so really we could just call it a sequel I guess.

I think that's the best scenario overall I think. The engine itself seemed pretty great. They don't need a complete overhaul and I totally don't mind recycled assets being used.
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My friend said there won't be more smash games except maybe a remaster. He is no expert or insider but

He often makes good predictions plus it makes sense because what do you do with dlc characters and so many third party characters? All those third party rights are going to be hard to deal with moving forward. Plus adding so many in the first place could
Have been very "this is the end have a blast"

Well now even Sakurai said he won't be making another smash game so I think my friend was right
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LittleRoyal posted...

Well now even Sakurai said he won't be making another smash game so I think my friend was right

this is true. you switcher may be outta luck, should've kept your wii Us :-0
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As awesome as that roster was, Smash 4 was really ehhhhh compared to melee and brawl imo. I kinda want them to try again >_>
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Doesn't Sakurai say he's done making Smash after every Smash game
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I think the initial problem with a port of Smash Bros 4 is that it's heavily optimized for the Wii U, and has a 3DS version. they probably don't want to confuse consumers by having to support 3 versions of the game, so rather than pull a Super Mario Kart Deluxe, they just make a 5. that and they're trying to retire Miiverse.


They just coincidentally make full use of every asset they made for both versions of the game, upto-and-including Ice Climbers. i'd expect that 3rd parties wouldn't be fully open with the idea of DLC being part of the core game, since Nintendo is the one handling publication. other companies can get away with Game of the Year editions because they wholly own the things on it. also the Switch is in that territory where it has enough Nintendo-published games for the year. they don't want to burn people out by announcing a new Smash Bros ontop of a New Fire Emblem, Metroid Prime 4 (might not even be 2018) AND a mainline Pokemon game. something like Smash 5 could easily be an E3 reveal or something.


Honestly, even though i was a bit hyped for Smash 4, i didn't feel as hyped as i was for Brawl. and despite not having to devote disk space for cutscenes....you'd think they would've made a much better product, in terms of actual content. like where's the Melee-esque Adventure mode, Smash the Targets (not bomb smash), also in some ways, 3DS might have limited potential since it came out earlier than Wii U. you have odd choices like requiring the game for using the 3DS as a control pad (no-game version?).

the regular mode just boiled down to branching paths, All-star or a battle royale mode where you headhunt/pick enemies wisely for roulette rewards.


Shovel Knight
K. Rool
Bandana Waddle Dee
Ice Climbers
Ray (Ray Mk IV being a color/model swap, similar to Dark Pit. to drive up hype for the Custom Robo reboot)
an ARMS character, leaning towards either Spring Man, Ribbon Girl or Minmin.
Inklings?


Also, isn't it weird that Sakurai cited people leaking videoclips onto youtube ruined the surprise in Brawl, yet Smash Run as well as the final boss has elements that still continues the plot? there's still enemies falling out of Subspace as random encounters, ROB is named the last of his own kind in the Punch-Out! stage, and Master Hand's celestial chain wounds opens up upon defeat, becoming Master Core. though after all this, i still think it gets a bit too edgy. maybe Smash Bros 5 needs to go the Capcom/Square Enix route and add some villainous characters to round out the cast.
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NeonOctopus posted...

As awesome as that roster was, Smash 4 was really ehhhhh compared to melee and brawl imo. I kinda want them to try again >_>

Smash 4 lacks options for the casual player playing by themselves. At least Melee and Brawl had some modes that were fun to play alone, but Smash 4 really doesn't. I think if you play with friends or play competitively, it's just as fine of a title as the other two.
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Darmik posted...

I could see it being a 1.5 sorta sequel. Same foundation/engine with completely different levels and new single player content, several new fighters/removed fighters, trophies, balance adjustments etc.

I don't really see why a simple port/remaster would be something worth withholding at this point. If it was an early 2018 release you'd think they'd announce it with Yoshi and Kirby.

I don't think I've seen a single person say it would be anything other than what you described. Not here, the Smash 4 board, not the Wii U or Switch board, not Neogaf or even reddit.

Where have you gotten the idea of a straight port with zero additions from? I think most everyone believes everything that you said (without cuts) should be a given.
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Smash 4 with all stages and characters from both 3DS and Wii U versions and maybe some extra stages/characters and we're set imho.
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if i had to make a bet id say Smash for Switch will be announced next year in time for a Christmas release, and it'll be a remaster with a few new stages and new characters, probably levels and characters based around Splatoon and Arms

NeonOctopus posted...

As awesome as that roster was, Smash 4 was really ehhhhh compared to melee and brawl imo. I kinda want them to try again >_>

agreed, it is my least favorite smash bros
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SamsungGearS2 posted...

Smash 4 with all stages and characters from both 3DS and Wii U versions and maybe some extra stages/characters and we're set imho.

Ice liners who were cut because 3ds couldn't handle them
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...

NeonOctopus posted...

As awesome as that roster was, Smash 4 was really ehhhhh compared to melee and brawl imo. I kinda want them to try again >_>

Smash 4 lacks options for the casual player playing by themselves. At least Melee and Brawl had some modes that were fun to play alone, but Smash 4 really doesn't. I think if you play with friends or play competitively, it's just as fine of a title as the other two.

idk. I don't think the amount was the problem, it's what it had wasn't all that compelling. Smash 4 had a Classic Mode, All Star Mode, Master and Crazy Hand Tickets, Achievements, and Missions. Five modes (each with multiple difficulties), achievements, and collectibles. That's a shitton of modes and extras for people playing alone. It's just the fact that not many of those modes made much of a lasting impression I guess. That's how I felt at least.
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Terra-enforcer posted...

Darmik posted...

I could see it being a 1.5 sorta sequel. Same foundation/engine with completely different levels and new single player content, several new fighters/removed fighters, trophies, balance adjustments etc.

I don't really see why a simple port/remaster would be something worth withholding at this point. If it was an early 2018 release you'd think they'd announce it with Yoshi and Kirby.

I don't think I've seen a single person say it would be anything other than what you described. Not here, the Smash 4 board, not the Wii U or Switch board, not Neogaf or even reddit.

Where have you gotten the idea of a straight port with zero additions from? I think most everyone believes everything that you said (without cuts) should be a given.

I never said zero additions. I think most people are expecting something like Mario Kart 8 Deluxe while I think it might be more like Splatoon 2 instead.
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...

NeonOctopus posted...

As awesome as that roster was, Smash 4 was really ehhhhh compared to melee and brawl imo. I kinda want them to try again >_>

Smash 4 lacks options for the casual player playing by themselves. At least Melee and Brawl had some modes that were fun to play alone, but Smash 4 really doesn't. I think if you play with friends or play competitively, it's just as fine of a title as the other two.

Yeah, the singleplayer options were bland and since I'm older, I don't play with friends as often as college with Brawl >_>

But I remember not liking much of the stages in 4 Wii U version. 3DS version had better stages imo but playing multiplayer with that is almost impossible with my circle of friends.
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It needs Goku
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Yeah I really hope we get something better than Smash Tour and Run for the Switch release. That was the biggest issue with both games.

I didn't really like Classic mode as much in the Wii U version either. Too much focus on those big battles which just felt like a shemozzle.
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Darmik posted...

Yeah I really hope we get something better than Smash Tour and Run for the Switch release. That was the biggest issue with both games.

I didn't really like Classic mode as much in the Wii U version either. Too much focus on those big battles which just felt like a shemozzle.

Yeah, classic mode felt so dry. Melee's classic mode with the target tests and race to the finish stages helped spice it up a lot. 4's is just straight fighting over and over with no structure to it.
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I think so too. Smash 4 is almost 3 years old now which means that they've definitely already started on the sequel. A new smash game comes out about every 5 years so it wouldn't make sense to release a remaster and then release a new game immediately afterwards
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NeonOctopus posted...

Darmik posted...

Yeah I really hope we get something better than Smash Tour and Run for the Switch release. That was the biggest issue with both games.

I didn't really like Classic mode as much in the Wii U version either. Too much focus on those big battles which just felt like a shemozzle.

Yeah, classic mode felt so dry. Melee's classic mode with the target tests and race to the finish stages helped spice it up a lot. 4's is just straight fighting over and over with no structure to it.

Yeah that's a lot of it for sure. Honestly the only thing I'd really miss from the Wii U/3DS version would be the roster.

Thinking about that I wonder how the third party characters work with that. They'd probably need to renew all their contracts again regardless if it's a port or sequel. Hopefully they can get Konami back on board and maybe we'll see both Snake and Bomberman.
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GOATSLAYER posted...

I think so too. Smash 4 is almost 3 years old now which means that they've definitely already started on the sequel. A new smash game comes out about every 5 years so it wouldn't make sense to release a remaster and then release a new game immediately afterwards

I mean, you could say the same for Mario Kart. Deluxe was released three years after the original game released. Early-mid 2018 for Smash wouldn't be that much larger of a gap.
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I don't think they intend to release a new Mario Kart for Switch but I guess we'll see. Maybe their logic is that a lot of people played Smash 4 on 3DS if they didn't have a Wii U.

The Mario Kart devs also worked on both ARMS and Deluxe. As far as I know we have no idea what the Smash Bros devs have been up to. They stopped patching the game around a year ago IIRC and I doubt that was what most of the team was working on to that point.
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Darmik posted...

I don't think they intend to release a new Mario Kart for Switch but I guess we'll see. Maybe their logic is that a lot of people played Smash 4 on 3DS if they didn't have a Wii U.

The Mario Kart devs also worked on both ARMS and Deluxe. As far as I know we have no idea what the Smash Bros devs have been up to. They stopped patching the game around a year ago IIRC and I doubt that was what most of the team was working on to that point.

I mean you could say the same for Smash. You have just as much of a basis to say that for Mario Kart as you do for Smash Bros (on the topic of thinking they won't release another for Switch).

And a vast majority of Smash 4 was Namco Bandai doing the development, so we kinda do know what they've been doing. They've been working on their own games since.
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Terra-enforcer posted...

I mean you could say the same for Smash. You have just as much of a basis to say that for Mario Kart as you do for Smash Bros (on the topic of thinking they won't release another for Switch).

I do think if Smash is a remaster that it would be the only one too. Which is why the longer Smash takes to be announced the more likely it is to be a full blown sequel IMO. Nintendo knows how much the hype cycle for Smash gets people excited. This could have been sacrificed to get a solid port out close to launch but we're starting to get past that stage now.

A lot of people predicted tons of Wii U and 3DS ports for the first year and there's barely been any. The longer the wait the less these are really needed.

Terra-enforcer posted...

And a vast majority of Smash 4 was Namco Bandai doing the development, so we kinda do know what they've been doing. They've been working on their own games since.

That same development team? I thought they co-developed it with SORA too.
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im hoping the switch is a weird intermediate console and a new powerful nintendo console is coming out in a year or 2
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DocileOrangeCup posted...

im hoping the switch is a weird intermediate console and a new powerful nintendo console is coming out in a year or 2

Lol of course that's not happening. That would be a terrible idea.
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