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Antifar
08/07/17 10:38:46 PM
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2017/08/07/engineer-behind-google-anti-diversity-memo-reportedly-fired/547348001/

he Google engineer who wrote an anti-diversity manifesto that has roiled the company and Silicon Valley has been fired, according to reports.

Recode and Bloomberg both reported Monday night that the as-yet unnamed author has left the company.

Google declined to confirm the firing.

The essay by the male engineer began to circulate within the company last week. Titled "Google's Ideological Echo Chamber," it suggests the company encourage "ideological" rather than gender diversity and contends that women don't make up 50% of the company's tech and leadership positions because of differences in their preferences and abilities, not sexism.

Fallout from the memo has been so severe that Google CEO Sundar Pichai, who had been traveling in Europe and Africa, cut short his family vacation and told employees he would be back for a town hall meeting Tuesday in order to discuss the incident that's caused an uproar at the company.

"This has been a very difficult few days," a company-wide memo sent out by Pichai on Monday evening began.


The company strongly supports the right of staff to express themselves “and much of what was in that memo is fair to debate, regardless of whether a vast majority of Googlers disagree with it,” Pichai wrote in his memo..

However, portions of the engineer's manifesto violate the company’s code of conduct, crossing the line by advancing harmful gender stereotypes, Pichai said.

“To suggest a group of our colleagues have traits that make them less biologically suited to that work is offensive and not OK. It is contrary to our basic values and our Code of Conduct,” he said.

The manifesto had been circulated within Google last week but only became known to a larger audience on Friday when those within the company began to tweet about it.


On Saturday the full text of the essay had been published online by the tech site Gizmodo. By early Sunday, it had gone viral.

On Monday, Motherboard, which broke the news about the manifesto, published it in full, including what it said was an addition by the author:

"Despite what the public response seems to have been, I've gotten many personal messages from fellow Googlers expressing their gratitude for bringing up these very important issues which they agree with but would never have the courage to say or defend because of our shaming culture and the possibility of being fired. This needs to change."

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Fill_Kessel
08/07/17 10:39:33 PM
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Well, what did they think would happen?
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Skasa
08/07/17 10:39:37 PM
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Freedom of speech is being eradicated in America.
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MakoReizei
08/07/17 10:40:06 PM
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Sad. I wish him the best.
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Bloodychess
08/07/17 10:40:35 PM
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Google's loss
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Unsugarized_Foo
08/07/17 10:41:08 PM
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Google censoring again
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CruelBuffalo
08/07/17 10:41:10 PM
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Skasa posted...
Freedom of speech is being eradicated in America.

Doesn't protect you from employees...I don't know the whole story so I won't comment on Googles choice other than to say from what I read I could see his heart was sorta in the right spot but he was pretty ignorant.
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Garioshi
08/07/17 10:42:23 PM
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Skasa posted...
Freedom of speech is being eradicated in America.

something something free market
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literal_garbage
08/07/17 10:42:40 PM
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Skasa posted...
Freedom of speech is being eradicated in America.

Whatever happened to the free market?
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Darmik
08/07/17 10:42:44 PM
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Fallout from the memo has been so severe that Google CEO Sundar Pichai, who had been traveling in Europe and Africa, cut short his family vacation and told employees he would be back for a town hall meeting Tuesday in order to discuss the incident that's caused an uproar at the company.


“To suggest a group of our colleagues have traits that make them less biologically suited to that work is offensive and not OK. It is contrary to our basic values and our Code of Conduct,” he said.


Welp see ya later.
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ManSpread
08/07/17 10:43:54 PM
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Antifar
08/07/17 10:44:50 PM
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My take:
1. don't go writing manifestos that more or less accuse your coworkers of being unqualified token hires, and especially don't circulate it among colleagues.
2. In general, employees should have unions and collectively-bargained contracts that protect them from being fired on the whims of higher-ups and over dust-ups like this. If you want workers to feel free to express their viewpoints, worker power is the only way to accomplish that. Would that have saved this guy's job? Impossible to say.
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Butterfiles
08/07/17 10:45:13 PM
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fair
















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Questionmarktarius
08/07/17 10:48:58 PM
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The fact that the "author" remains unnamed suggests this wasn't actually a white guy.

Skasa posted...
Freedom of speech is being eradicated in America.

It's only a free speech issue if the author were arrested and charged with social heresy or something. That's not happening here, at least for another three or four years.
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Transcendentia
08/07/17 10:49:48 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
The fact that the "author" remains unnamed suggests this wasn't actually a white guy.


this is a very interesting theory. i wonder if you're right.
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Blue_Inigo
08/07/17 10:52:31 PM
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If you're writing a manifesto, you're a dumb bitch that needs to be fired
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Behaviorism
08/07/17 10:53:05 PM
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It's gotta be hilarious for a lotto winner. He could write anything he wanted to on Facebook and not have to worry about getting fired from a job. Would be hilarious to see just out of concept alone.
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TheMikh
08/07/17 10:53:16 PM
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more blood on bushes hands

but in all seriousness, the bad press for google was probably what did him in more than anything, seeing as closet neoreactionary perspectives are by no means unheard of in the bay area
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Questionmarktarius
08/07/17 10:53:30 PM
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something something, with blackjack and hookers.
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Freddie_Mercury
08/07/17 10:55:12 PM
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Skasa posted...
Freedom of speech is being eradicated in America.



he said


using his free speech


in America
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Darmik
08/07/17 10:56:16 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
The fact that the "author" remains unnamed suggests this wasn't actually a white guy.


Why does anyone need to know his name or identity? He's presumably not a public figure and the manifesto was anonymous right? So he'd either need to go public himself or someone else would leak out his name for some reason. The article does say 'as-yet' so I wonder if they think either of these will happen soon.
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Questionmarktarius
08/07/17 10:56:33 PM
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Freddie_Mercury posted...
Skasa posted...
Freedom of speech is being eradicated in America.



he said


using his free speech


in America

And if CBS decides to shut it down here, it's their servers.
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foreveraIone
08/07/17 10:56:52 PM
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He was probably Asian in some form.

Knowing googles employee demographics this is not unlikely
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NES4EVER
08/07/17 10:57:50 PM
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You've got to be a supreme dumbass to believe you can say that about your employer and not have it adversely affect you.
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Bloodychess
08/07/17 10:58:49 PM
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Darmik posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
The fact that the "author" remains unnamed suggests this wasn't actually a white guy.


Why does anyone need to know his name or identity?


Because people would have much more to say about him if it was a white guy
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Questionmarktarius
08/07/17 10:59:13 PM
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Darmik posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
The fact that the "author" remains unnamed suggests this wasn't actually a white guy.


Why does anyone need to know his name or identity? He's presumably not a public figure and the manifesto was anonymous right? So he'd either need to go public himself or someone else would leak out his name for some reason. The article does say 'as-yet' so I wonder if they think either of these will happen soon.

Bolded bit, mostly.
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Cleo_II
08/07/17 11:01:47 PM
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Good. He had some interesting points but the stereotypes towards women were harmful and propagated the kind of BS women in tech have to face and fight in their career.
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Darmik
08/07/17 11:02:07 PM
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Bloodychess posted...
Darmik posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
The fact that the "author" remains unnamed suggests this wasn't actually a white guy.


Why does anyone need to know his name or identity?


Because people would have much more to say about him if it was a white guy


I just realized if he was public he'd probably get invited to conservative talk shows.

I think it's better if these people don't get their 15 minutes of fame from these stories. Regardless if they're white or a minority.
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Questionmarktarius
08/07/17 11:03:24 PM
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Darmik posted...
I just realized if he was public he'd probably get invited to conservative talk shows.

Thus, were this a white guy, he'd be doxxed by now, or he'd start popping up all over the place by himself.
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Questionmarktarius
08/07/17 11:11:38 PM
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We've got a name. Probable white guy.
Still searching.
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foreveraIone
08/07/17 11:12:13 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
We've got a name. Probable white guy.
Still searching.

What is it
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Questionmarktarius
08/07/17 11:14:22 PM
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foreveraIone posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
We've got a name. Probable white guy.
Still searching.

What is it

Incidentally, go ask google.
news.google.com - pretty easy find.

Harvard grad, apparently.
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gafemaqs
08/07/17 11:17:41 PM
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He shouldn't be a bigot. A privileged one at that.
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TomNook20
08/07/17 11:18:25 PM
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That was a pretty tame read. But if you like your job don't write a paper criticizing your company and give it unwanted media attention. It's basically the kaepernick effect.

It'd be nice if there was more of a push to get women interested in CS/EE in high school and college instead of the media blasting tech companies for not having a gender balance when the pool of talent they hire from is like 80/20 male.
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Transcendentia
08/07/17 11:22:25 PM
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He just announced he's going to be suing Google for violating his rights. Damn.
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Questionmarktarius
08/07/17 11:23:02 PM
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Transcendentia posted...
He just announced he's going to be suing Google for violating his rights. Damn.

Is California an at-will state?
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Transcendentia
08/07/17 11:24:58 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Transcendentia posted...
He just announced he's going to be suing Google for violating his rights. Damn.

Is California an at-will state?


Yes, but apparently he has a case
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hear_ye
08/07/17 11:27:51 PM
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So much for progressives being about diversity, oh wait, that was just a tactic to get into power. Now they're about uniformity. Doubtful that Lenin could have written a better strategy for destroying western civilisation, to be honest.
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Questionmarktarius
08/07/17 11:29:48 PM
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Transcendentia posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Transcendentia posted...
He just announced he's going to be suing Google for violating his rights. Damn.

Is California an at-will state?


Yes, but apparently he has a case

This should be interesting.
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Transcendentia
08/07/17 11:32:46 PM
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JE19426
08/07/17 11:35:55 PM
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Questionmarktarius
08/07/17 11:37:17 PM
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JE19426 posted...
Transcendentia posted...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/08/07/shut-up-worst-response-google-diversity-memo-dave-mastio-column/545026001/


What a racist and sexist article.

Tomorrow's news: USA Today fires columnist over sexist article.
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Transcendentia
08/07/17 11:37:18 PM
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Four scientists respond to memo:

https://web.archive.org/web/20170808013732/http://quillette.com/2017/08/07/google-memo-four-scientists-respond
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foreveraIone
08/07/17 11:37:48 PM
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Bloodychess
08/07/17 11:39:57 PM
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Transcendentia posted...
Four scientists respond to memo:

https://web.archive.org/web/20170808013732/http://quillette.com/2017/08/07/google-memo-four-scientists-respond

"Here, I mainly focus on the reactions to the essay on the Gizmodo site, which indirectly and ironically validate much of the author’s analysis. Very few of the comments actually engage the arguments; they just fling insults and slurs. Yes, slurs. In 1960, the most common slurs were insulting labels for demographic groups. In 2017, the most common slurs involve labelling anyone who you disagree with on issues such as affirmative action, diversity, gaps, and inequality as a racist, sexist, homophobe, or bigot."
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Sephiroth1288
08/07/17 11:40:25 PM
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Antifar posted...
My take:
1. don't go writing manifestos that more or less accuse your coworkers of being unqualified token hires,

Where did he do this?
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Transcendentia
08/07/17 11:41:02 PM
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foreveraIone posted...
Transcendentia posted...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/08/07/shut-up-worst-response-google-diversity-memo-dave-mastio-column/545026001/

He's not wrong.


He is not.

Bloodychess posted...
Transcendentia posted...
Four scientists respond to memo:

https://web.archive.org/web/20170808013732/http://quillette.com/2017/08/07/google-memo-four-scientists-respond

"Here, I mainly focus on the reactions to the essay on the Gizmodo site, which indirectly and ironically validate much of the author’s analysis. Very few of the comments actually engage the arguments; they just fling insults and slurs. Yes, slurs. In 1960, the most common slurs were insulting labels for demographic groups. In 2017, the most common slurs involve labelling anyone who you disagree with on issues such as affirmative action, diversity, gaps, and inequality as a racist, sexist, homophobe, or bigot."


Yep. It's pretty much a witch hunt.
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CruelBuffalo
08/07/17 11:43:51 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Darmik posted...
I just realized if he was public he'd probably get invited to conservative talk shows.

Thus, were this a white guy, he'd be doxxed by now, or he'd start popping up all over the place by himself.



Now that we see it IS a white guy are you guys gonna apologize for your stupid shitposting?
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Questionmarktarius
08/07/17 11:45:00 PM
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CruelBuffalo posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Darmik posted...
I just realized if he was public he'd probably get invited to conservative talk shows.

Thus, were this a white guy, he'd be doxxed by now, or he'd start popping up all over the place by himself.



Now that we see it IS a white guy are you guys gonna apologize for your stupid shitposting?

Sure, why not?
Should I also apologize for verifying who the guy really is?
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