Current Events > I don't understand Kyrie Irving's logic here with leaving the Cavaliers

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So he wants to be traded because he wants to be "the guy" of the team and wants the offense to be built around him.... but then the number 1 team he wants to be traded to is the Spurs. Does he think the Spurs will build around him instead of their already established superstar Kawhi Leonard? Someone make sense of it to me please. Almost anywhere he goes he's gonna be the number 2 guy.
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He should go to the Timberwolves. There is no clear #1 up there, even with Jimmy Butler.
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And he had a ton of free creativity when he was on the Cavs already. Yes it was mainly for Lebron but Kyrie had more than enough touches as the second guy, he had more than enough plays and calls for himself, he had a lot of freedom already.
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Yeah, he definitely wouldn't be "the guy" in San Antonio. Kawhi Leonard is going to be that for a long time.
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Muffinz0rz posted...

He should go to the Timberwolves. There is no clear #1 up there, even with Jimmy Butler.

Share the spotlight with Wiggins, Butler, Karl-Anthony Towns and Jeff Teague? Naw he ain't gonna be number 1.
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it dont matter where he goes

cuz the GOLDEN STATE SUPER VILLIANS ARE GONNA BE THE CHAMPS FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS BABY!!!!

DYYYYNNNAAASSTTTYYY!!!!!!
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CableZL posted...

Yeah, he definitely wouldn't be "the guy" in San Antonio. Kawhi Leonard is going to be that for a long time.

See, that just tells me his reasoning and claims are bullshit. His logic don't make any god damn sense.
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And if he does go somewhere where he IS "the guy," he better hope the team does better than when he was the guy in Cleveland. Holy moly. He couldn't save the Cavs from being a dumpster fire before LeBron came back.
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If had to spend 5 years in Cleveland you would make up dumbass excuses too
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I think him and LeBron are just fucking with the league and he's not going anywhere.

Probably wishful thinking though, but him leaving really doesn't make sense.
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On one hand, I respect the idea of betting on yourself. Kyrie is doing that, by wanting to be "the guy" somewhere else. Get out now, before Lebron leaves and then have to find a new situation and maybe have people think you were carried by Lebron (I don't think he has been personally, I think Kyrie is a great player.)

On the other hand, you're going back to the finals this year if you stay. Nothing is more important than winning in sports, it just isn't. I don't care how much the internals of the team have deteriorated, stick it out this season. See if you can pull one over on GS, doubtful as that looks right now.

It's almost as if he isn't okay with being thrown under the bus with the rest of LeBron's teammates after every finals loss

IIRC he wasn't happy when Lebron ditched Miami for Cleveland; he probably can't stand being in the Lebron circus anymore (especially since Lebron forced management to make stupid decisions that will hinder the Cavs for a while after Lebron runs to another team)
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TheDarkCircle posted...

Kyrie is doing that, by wanting to be "the guy" somewhere else

But the teams he wants to go to already has a guy.
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I think that he would like to be the guy

But basically every major free agent has mentioned wanting to go to the Spurs. Going to the spurs means you automatically have at least a chance to win. He'd be willing to give up being the guy if it meant winning

And yes, he's on the Cavs who are winning overall but it's pretty clear they aren't going to get over the Golden State hump as constructed currently.
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Chad-Henne posted...

It's almost as if he isn't okay with being thrown under the bus with the rest of LeBron's teammates after every finals loss

IIRC he wasn't happy when Lebron ditched Miami for Cleveland; he probably can't stand being in the Lebron circus anymore (especially since Lebron forced management to make stupid decisions that will hinder the Cavs for a while after Lebron runs to another team)

Implying the Cavs will ever be good again once LeBron leaves. LOL
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Chad-Henne posted...

IIRC he wasn't happy when Lebron ditched Miami for Cleveland

Uhh they sign Kyrie after Lebron left. And if he was so anti-Lebron he shouldn't have sign an extension with the Cavs. You guys aren't making any sense either.
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voldothegr8 posted...

Implying the Cavs will ever be good again once LeBron leaves. LOL

They'll be a bottom tier team until another generational top pick comes along and they're put in position to get him. I still think it's amazing that LeBron was able to drag that team to the finals that one year.
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Twin3Turbo posted...

I think that he would like to be the guy

But basically every major free agent has mentioned wanting to go to the Spurs. Going to the spurs means you automatically have at least a chance to win. He'd be willing to give up being the guy if it meant winning

And yes, he's on the Cavs who are winning overall but it's pretty clear they aren't going to get over the Golden State hump as constructed currently.

You guys still aren't understanding that the reason for wanting to leave the Cavs is to be the guy but the teams he wants to join he still won't be the guy. It's a broken logic.
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Honestly I think the 'wants to be the man' is just an excuse or is only a little part of it. I think he's just tired of playing with LeBron. You could see it in a lot of games, Kyrie would get frustrated with LeBron. Kyrie would be on a role, scoring 3 or 4 times in a row with ease, and he's cooking now. Next play down, LeBron would decide to keep the ball for himself and shoot and miss instead of making the smart play and give it to the man that's on fire.

Not that I agree with Kyrie of course, I'm a huge Cavs fan and hate seeing them get broken up. I think in Kyrie's case, if you have a chance to play with the greatest basketball player of all time, you do it. But I don't know all the reasons for him leaving either
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Veggeta_MAX posted...

Chad-Henne posted...

IIRC he wasn't happy when Lebron ditched Miami for Cleveland

Uhh they sign Kyrie after Lebron left. And if he was so anti-Lebron he shouldn't have sign an extension with the Cavs. You guys aren't making any sense either.

Off the top of my head, wasn't signing an extension his only real option? He would have been a restricted free agent

There's no way the Cavs would not have matched any offer sheet thrown at him, period.
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Veggeta_MAX posted...

Twin3Turbo posted...

I think that he would like to be the guy

But basically every major free agent has mentioned wanting to go to the Spurs. Going to the spurs means you automatically have at least a chance to win. He'd be willing to give up being the guy if it meant winning

And yes, he's on the Cavs who are winning overall but it's pretty clear they aren't going to get over the Golden State hump as constructed currently.

You guys still aren't understanding that the reason for wanting to leave the Cavs is to be the guy but the teams he wants to join he still won't be the guy. It's a broken logic.

I think you aren't getting that it's not necessarily all or nothing.
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Chad-Henne posted...

It's almost as if he isn't okay with being thrown under the bus with the rest of LeBron's teammates after every finals loss

IIRC he wasn't happy when Lebron ditched Miami for Cleveland; he probably can't stand being in the Lebron circus anymore (especially since Lebron forced management to make stupid decisions that will hinder the Cavs for a while after Lebron runs to another team)

He wasn't even drafted when LeBron left.

Kyrie just doesn't want to inherit the shitty team that'll be left because they're sacrificing everything to keep LeBron. If/when he leaves, that team will crater hard and they'll have no assets to do anything.
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Uncle_Drew posted...

Honestly I think the 'wants to be the man' is just an excuse or is only a little part of it.

I think so too and it's too bad no one really thinks so. He just doesn't like Lebron he should just say it.
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Twin3Turbo posted...

Off the top of my head, wasn't signing an extension his only real option? He would have been a restricted free agentThere's no way the Cavs would not have matched any offer sheet thrown at him, period.

Pretty sure the money don't mean shit now.
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Twin3Turbo posted...

I think you aren't getting that it's not necessarily all or nothing.

????
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Veggeta_MAX posted...

Twin3Turbo posted...

Off the top of my head, wasn't signing an extension his only real option? He would have been a restricted free agentThere's no way the Cavs would not have matched any offer sheet thrown at him, period.

Pretty sure the money don't mean shit now.

Right, the point is that he would have been on the Cavs regardless, so saying "He shouldn't have signed an extension" doesn't mean much.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Kyrie just doesn't want to inherit the shitty team that'll be left because they're sacrificing everything to keep LeBron. If/when he leaves, that team will crater hard and they'll have no assets to do anything.

Implying Lebron will leave the Cavs for another team.
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Veggeta_MAX posted...

Chad-Henne posted...

IIRC he wasn't happy when Lebron ditched Miami for Cleveland

Uhh they sign Kyrie after Lebron left. And if he was so anti-Lebron he shouldn't have sign an extension with the Cavs. You guys aren't making any sense either.

You're completely misunderstanding Kyrie's thought process not that it always makes sense

He wants to be the guy. He also didn't want to run from Cleveland when Lebron showed up. So, he hangs around with Lebron, gets a ring, but is somewhat unhappy during those few years because he's being competely overlooked. Now, after years of letting his feelings boil over, he's saying that enough is enough and wants to leave.
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Twin3Turbo posted...

Veggeta_MAX posted...

Twin3Turbo posted...

Off the top of my head, wasn't signing an extension his only real option? He would have been a restricted free agentThere's no way the Cavs would not have matched any offer sheet thrown at him, period.

Pretty sure the money don't mean shit now.

Right, the point is that he would have been on the Cavs regardless, so saying "He shouldn't have signed an extension" doesn't mean much.

I'm saying he should have just played his rookie contract out and then moved on.
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Chad-Henne posted...

He wants to be the guy. He also didn't want to run from Cleveland when Lebron showed up. So, he hangs around with Lebron, gets a ring, but is somewhat unhappy during those few years because he's being competely overlooked. Now, after years of letting his feelings boil over, he's saying that enough is enough and wants to leave.

As I stated multiple times, the teams he wants to go to he will NOT be the main guy so that reason is broken. And he is hardly overlooked, everyone knows he was a big reason to the Cavs' chip.
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Veggeta_MAX posted...

Chad-Henne posted...

He wants to be the guy. He also didn't want to run from Cleveland when Lebron showed up. So, he hangs around with Lebron, gets a ring, but is somewhat unhappy during those few years because he's being competely overlooked. Now, after years of letting his feelings boil over, he's saying that enough is enough and wants to leave.

As I stated multiple times, the teams he wants to go to he will NOT be the main guy so that reason is broken. And he is hardly overlooked, everyone knows he was a big reason to the Cavs' chip.

Kyrie very much feels like he is disrespected (Lebron needs more help, Lebron doing everything himself, etc.)

I think this is the biggest reason. He wants to shine, and even though he may not be "the guy" on another team, it's a lot easier to shine when LeEclipse isn't blocking the view.
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Veggeta_MAX posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Kyrie just doesn't want to inherit the shitty team that'll be left because they're sacrificing everything to keep LeBron. If/when he leaves, that team will crater hard and they'll have no assets to do anything.

Implying Lebron will leave the Cavs for another team.

Implying he won't and hasn't already.

I wouldn't be surprised if he went west to create a new super team with George or even Russell. Cleveland can only do so much to compete with the Warriors with the lack of assets they have.
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He's into his own personal feelings. As I stated before, even with Lebron on his team, he still had more than enough touches, creativity and freedom to do whatever the fuck he wanted. I mean I guess he just wants more but his reasoning are bad and definitely conflicted.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Veggeta_MAX posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Kyrie just doesn't want to inherit the shitty team that'll be left because they're sacrificing everything to keep LeBron. If/when he leaves, that team will crater hard and they'll have no assets to do anything.

Implying Lebron will leave the Cavs for another team.

Implying he won't and hasn't already.

I wouldn't be surprised if he went west to create a new super team with George or even Russell. Cleveland can only do so much to compete with the Warriors with the lack of assets they have.

I don't think OKC can get all three lol
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Kyrie wants to go back to being the #1 option where he leads teams to 35 win seasons.
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Veggeta_MAX posted...

Twin3Turbo posted...

Veggeta_MAX posted...

Twin3Turbo posted...

Off the top of my head, wasn't signing an extension his only real option? He would have been a restricted free agentThere's no way the Cavs would not have matched any offer sheet thrown at him, period.

Pretty sure the money don't mean shit now.

Right, the point is that he would have been on the Cavs regardless, so saying "He shouldn't have signed an extension" doesn't mean much.

I'm saying he should have just played his rookie contract out and then moved on.

Thats what I'm trying to get across to you

He would not have been able to just "move on"

He would have been a restricted free agent.
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Uncle_Drew posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Veggeta_MAX posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Kyrie just doesn't want to inherit the shitty team that'll be left because they're sacrificing everything to keep LeBron. If/when he leaves, that team will crater hard and they'll have no assets to do anything.

Implying Lebron will leave the Cavs for another team.

Implying he won't and hasn't already.

I wouldn't be surprised if he went west to create a new super team with George or even Russell. Cleveland can only do so much to compete with the Warriors with the lack of assets they have.

I don't think OKC can get all three lol

All 3 are free agents next year.

Russ has yet to sign the max extension.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Russ has yet to sign the max extension.

But he's a OKC 4 life. Same thing Durant said and what Kyrie said about the Cavs.
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Veggeta_MAX posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Russ has yet to sign the max extension.

But he's a OKC 4 life. Same thing Durant said and what Kyrie said about the Cavs.

I think Russ is the most likely of the 3 to stay.

George is all but going to the Lakers. They could also add LeBron too with the lack of salaries they have.
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iosifsvoboda posted...

If had to spend 5 years in Cleveland you would make up dumbass excuses too

Well, I mean he just literally won a championship there two seasons ago and was in the running for another one this past season. So I say things were looking pretty good over there...
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SavenForever posted...

iosifsvoboda posted...

If had to spend 5 years in Cleveland you would make up dumbass excuses too

Well, I mean he just literally won a championship there two seasons ago and was in the running for another one this past season. So I say things were looking pretty good over there...

Except when you win it's because of LeBron and when you lose, it's because of LeBron's supporting cast. LeBron is easily the biggest player in the NBA today so if you play on his team, you'll be overshadowed.
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the logic kinda works if he thinks he's better than the "guys" that are on other teams.
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pauIie posted...

the logic kinda works if he thinks he's better than the "guys" that are on other teams.

Veggeta_MAX posted...

He's into his own personal feelings

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