Current Events > Why do a lot of people think Final Fantasy X's story was bad?

(+) Yeah! (+)

It was literally amazing and these people are wrong.

Only haters think that, it's great.
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its X-2 people think have a bad story
people just think X has a generic story but well done characters
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I never played it but it is bad

I wouldn't say it was amazing, but I found it enjoyable
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Because they tried to make it a prequel to Final Fantasy VII.
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Xelltrix posted...

Only haters think that, it's great.

Posts like this is why Trump won

yusiko posted...

people just think X has a generic story but well done characters

But that's non-sense. The characters are generic archetypes. It's the story that elevates them.

I've always heard that it's one of the best ones in the series.

But as far as I've played, FF games don't have the most cohesive narratives.
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ImmortalHogRide posted...

Because they tried to make it a prequel to Final Fantasy VII.

Uh??
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I think its story is fine overall, I think Seymour is a terrible villain though.
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ImmortalHogRide posted...

Because they tried to make it a prequel to Final Fantasy VII.

That was X-2. X has nothing to do with that nonsense.

frozenshock posted...

ImmortalHogRide posted...

Because they tried to make it a prequel to Final Fantasy VII.

Uh??

Yeah. They tried to say Shinra was a ancestor of the ones from 7.
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That was literally just an Easter egg in X-2 and allows people to make fun guesses about it. It has virtually no relevance to the story of X-2 and actual zero relevance to X so...
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Xelltrix posted...

That was literally just an Easter egg in X-2 and allows people to make fun guesses about it. It has virtually no relevance to the story of X-2 and actual zero relevance to X so...

I am pretty sure the guy that made the game said that they are officially the same universe.
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So some very obscure thing like that about X-2 is the reason why people think X's story was bad?
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Didn't he say that many years after the fact?
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ImmortalHogRide posted...

Xelltrix posted...

That was literally just an Easter egg in X-2 and allows people to make fun guesses about it. It has virtually no relevance to the story of X-2 and actual zero relevance to X so...

I am pretty sure the guy that made the game said that they are officially the same universe.

uh where

Also, even if that were true, that would still have no impact on X's story since it's not even so much as referenced.
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Xelltrix posted...

Only haters think that, it's great.

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Xelltrix posted...

Only haters think that, it's great.

and they usually refers to the awkward laughing scene, and missed the point entirely.
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gafemaqs posted...

I never played it but it is bad

I remember playing it when I was a kid and being blown away that the big evil dude was Tidus' dad or something. That's all I can remember.
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Ricemills posted...

and they usually refers to the awkward laughing scene, and missed the point entirely.

I love when people first brought that up with their ignorance. Now of course, most of them know so they don't try and use that anymore, they just complain that it's badly acted anyway for whatever reason. There were definitely some withyunabymyside moments of bad voice acting, but it had great voice acting for the most part.
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Virus731 posted...

I remember playing it when I was a kid and being blown away that the big evil dude was Tidus' dad or something. That's all I can remember.

I honestly don't remember how that was supposed to work out. I thought the final aeon was a totally separate thing, not made from one of the guardians. Also, since it was Tidus' dad, couldn't he have been killed the same way Tidus "dies" at the end?
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mrw people defend FFX's story

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5FTJxfV3pc
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Watch spoonys whole review on it. I could list what he said but lazy and im just repeating. I think X is pure garbage.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Virus731 posted...

I remember playing it when I was a kid and being blown away that the big evil dude was Tidus' dad or something. That's all I can remember.

I honestly don't remember how that was supposed to work out. I thought the final aeon was a totally separate thing, not made from one of the guardians. Also, since it was Tidus' dad, couldn't he have been killed the same way Tidus "dies" at the end?

No, can't send a summoning while it's being summoned, you have to fight it. That's what was happening there. They also explained how what he did work.
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Everyone: "hey tidus don't do the thing"
Tidus: *immediately does the thing*
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Xelltrix posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Virus731 posted...

I remember playing it when I was a kid and being blown away that the big evil dude was Tidus' dad or something. That's all I can remember.

I honestly don't remember how that was supposed to work out. I thought the final aeon was a totally separate thing, not made from one of the guardians. Also, since it was Tidus' dad, couldn't he have been killed the same way Tidus "dies" at the end?

No, can't send a summoning while it's being summoned, you have to fight it. That's what was happening there. They also explained how what he did work.

Tidus wasn't sent. He literally didn't even exist in the first place.
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Premise isn't too bad aside from the stupid dream shit at the end. And I don't like the cast the game is experienced through. A cast I like makes a huge difference.
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I liked the story but Seymour sucked as a villain.
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literal_garbage posted...

Everyone: "hey tidus don't do the thing"
Tidus: *immediately does the thing*

"Don't tell Wakka"
"I gotta tell Wakka!"

That's not editted. That's actually how it goes >_>
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The story was great

There were too many Seymour fights though. He kinda became less intimidating when I had to kill him for the 4th or 5th time
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NES4EVER posted...

I liked the story but Seymour sucked as a villain.

the game felt pretty disorganized at times when trying to figure out who its villain was.


It's SIN!
No wait, it's Seymour, SIN is more like a force of nature, and this awesome Yunalesca person is great.
Did we say Great? We meant she's a total bitch.
Wait, Yunalesca? Sorry, she's really just a pawn. The whole Church of Yevon are the real enemies.
Wait, Yevon? Sorry, we meant Yu Yevon.
Oh, but you have to kill Tidus' dad before you can fight Yu Yevon.

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NeonOctopus posted...

literal_garbage posted...

Everyone: "hey tidus don't do the thing"
Tidus: *immediately does the thing*

"Don't tell Wakka"
"I gotta tell Wakka!"

That's not editted. That's actually how it goes >_>

lmao, I remember that xD


ChromaticAngel posted...

Tidus wasn't sent. He literally didn't even exist in the first place.

I didn't mean to imply that he was an unsent but it works in essentially the same manner. He's a dream of the fayth which is what summonings are. By sending the fayth that was summoning him, Yuna essentialy sent Tidus as well. That wouldn't have worked for Jecht since Yu Yevon was summoning him. Furthermore, think of how they couldn't just straight up send Seymour, they had to weaken him enough that Yuna could send him.
She can't just send fiends either, they have to disperse.
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Take anything cool about FFVII, shit on it, and there, you have X.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

NES4EVER posted...

I liked the story but Seymour sucked as a villain.

the game felt pretty disorganized at times when trying to figure out who its villain was.


It's SIN!
No wait, it's Seymour, SIN is more like a force of nature, and this awesome Yunalesca person is great.
Did we say Great? We meant she's a total bitch.
Wait, Yunalesca? Sorry, she's really just a pawn. The whole Church of Yevon are the real enemies.
Wait, Yevon? Sorry, we meant Yu Yevon.
Oh, but you have to kill Tidus' dad before you can fight Yu Yevon.

It was pretty clear that Sin needed to be defeated and was the enemy, just a matter of figuring out what is behind Sin which they kept trying to discover. You can make most stories sound disorganized when you explain it in a manner like that.
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Xelltrix posted...

I didn't mean to imply that he was an unsent but it works in essentially the same manner. He's a dream of the fayth which is what summonings are. By sending the fayth that was summoning him, Yuna essentialy sent Tidus as well. That wouldn't have worked for Jecht since Yu Yevon was summoning him. Furthermore, think of how they couldn't just straight up send Seymour, they had to weaken him enough that Yuna could send him.
She can't just send fiends either, they have to disperse.

Yes. I get all of that. But when the Fayth stop dreaming, shouldn't anything brought to life by them stop existing. It included Tidus, sure, but it should have also included Jecht. Fiends are not made by the Fayth, they're real people of Spira killed by SIN. Why not skip the fight with SIN and wake the Fayth?
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Xelltrix posted...

I didn't mean to imply that he was an unsent but it works in essentially the same manner. He's a dream of the fayth which is what summonings are. By sending the fayth that was summoning him, Yuna essentialy sent Tidus as well. That wouldn't have worked for Jecht since Yu Yevon was summoning him. Furthermore, think of how they couldn't just straight up send Seymour, they had to weaken him enough that Yuna could send him.
She can't just send fiends either, they have to disperse.

Tidus was "summoned" by the fayth, while Sin was summoned by Yu Yevon. they both disappears after their summoner's no more.
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Ricemills posted...

Xelltrix posted...

I didn't mean to imply that he was an unsent but it works in essentially the same manner. He's a dream of the fayth which is what summonings are. By sending the fayth that was summoning him, Yuna essentialy sent Tidus as well. That wouldn't have worked for Jecht since Yu Yevon was summoning him. Furthermore, think of how they couldn't just straight up send Seymour, they had to weaken him enough that Yuna could send him.
She can't just send fiends either, they have to disperse.

Tidus was "summoned" by the fayth, while Sin was summoned by Yu Yevon. they both disappears after their summoner's no more.

SIN is Jecht. The way it works is after the Final Aeon destroys SIN, Yu Yevon corrupts it and dominates it, and turns it into SIN over the time period of The Calm. By Waking the Fayth, you should be able to destroy SIN/Jecht as well as Tidus. Braska was the last summoner to destroy SIN, and used Jecht as his Aeon. This is also why Yu Yevon also corrupts your Aeons in the final event as well. He's trying to turn one of them into SIN. He didn't summon them. Yuna did.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Xelltrix posted...

I didn't mean to imply that he was an unsent but it works in essentially the same manner. He's a dream of the fayth which is what summonings are. By sending the fayth that was summoning him, Yuna essentialy sent Tidus as well. That wouldn't have worked for Jecht since Yu Yevon was summoning him. Furthermore, think of how they couldn't just straight up send Seymour, they had to weaken him enough that Yuna could send him.
She can't just send fiends either, they have to disperse.

Yes. I get all of that. But when the Fayth stop dreaming, shouldn't anything brought to life by them stop existing. It included Tidus, sure, but it should have also included Jecht. Fiends are not made by the Fayth, they're real people of Spira killed by SIN. Why not skip the fight with SIN and wake the Fayth?

They can't. It's not explained how the mechanics of it work but it is stated pretty explicitly that the Fayth can't stop what they're doing as long as Yevon is still continuing his Sin/Dream Zanarkand summoning using them. Their whole plan with Tidus is to have him defeat Yevon so they can move on, if they could actually do it without Yevon being defeated first they would have done so.
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Ricemills posted...

Tidus was "summoned" by the fayth, while Sin was summoned by Yu Yevon. they both disappears after their summoner's no more.

Yeah, I agree? That's why they couldn't get rid of Jecht.


ChromaticAngel posted...

Yes. I get all of that. But when the Fayth stop dreaming, shouldn't anything brought to life by them stop existing. It included Tidus, sure, but it should have also included Jecht. Fiends are not made by the Fayth, they're real people of Spira killed by SIN. Why not skip the fight with SIN and wake the Fayth?

They needed the summonings to fight Yu Yevon to kill Sin (at least storywise, gameplay wise obviously we can zerg him down without them) so all that sending the Fayths at that point would do is take away Yuna's weapons and get rid of Tidus, Sin and Jecht would still be alive. Also, Sin was subconsciously protecting Dream Zanarkand, I doubt he would have let her dispel the fayth that was summoning Tidus. I was using the Fiends thing as an example of why you can't just send anything that's standing in front of you since the fiends have the strength to resist it.


Anyway, I dunno how it's really confusing, to truly defeat Sin, they needed to get to Yu Yevon and the only way to get to Yu Yevon was to get at Sin's core and kill him.
Storywise, that required a summoning.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Ricemills posted...

Xelltrix posted...

I didn't mean to imply that he was an unsent but it works in essentially the same manner. He's a dream of the fayth which is what summonings are. By sending the fayth that was summoning him, Yuna essentialy sent Tidus as well. That wouldn't have worked for Jecht since Yu Yevon was summoning him. Furthermore, think of how they couldn't just straight up send Seymour, they had to weaken him enough that Yuna could send him.
She can't just send fiends either, they have to disperse.

Tidus was "summoned" by the fayth, while Sin was summoned by Yu Yevon. they both disappears after their summoner's no more.

SIN is Jecht. The way it works is after the Final Aeon destroys SIN, Yu Yevon corrupts it and dominates it, and turns it into SIN over the time period of The Calm. By Waking the Fayth, you should be able to destroy SIN/Jecht as well as Tidus. Braska was the last summoner to destroy SIN, and used Jecht as his Aeon. This is also why Yu Yevon also corrupts your Aeons in the final event as well. He's trying to turn one of them into SIN. He didn't summon them. Yuna did.

current Sin is Jecht, but he is not the only one.
reminder that you have to kill the Aeons because they will be the next vessel of Sin.
and how do you propose to wake all of the fayth anyway? as one of the requirement is by defeating Sin
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