Current Events > Trump did condemn the attack, don't let the deranged alt left twist it

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Bullet_Wing posted...

Monday posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Trump did such a good job at condemning the attack that the entire country is demanding him to do it better.

The entire country? Really? Are you sure it isn't just the most vocal dumbasses who feel like their opinion matters more than it actually does?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/12/republican-senator-encourages-trump-to-specifically-call-out-white-nationalists.html

I'd say multiple congressmen matter

Came here to post that exact info.
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Monday posted...

Yep, because they were, at the time, non-violent. Then they became violent after I left that topic. What's your point?

That maybe your judgment isn't so good.

Glass_Phantom posted...

Paladin_ posted...

All of you hypocrites that are saying Trump properly condemned today's events are the same people that we're on Obama's nuts for not saying the words "Islamic extremism". Trump has yet to condemn White Supremacy. People were out there with Nazi flags and he hasn't uttered a word about that.

Has he even called it terrorism?

How is it that the same folks who demanded "we must call evil by its name" won't even call this what it is: white supremacist terrorism? In fact, he vacillated and said both sides were to blame. They weren't -- the people out there counter-protesting the Nazis today are heroes and ought to be praised for standing up against these thugs; it's obvious now they were putting their life on the line to do it.

Nope. He hasn't even called it terrorism.

This is his base and he's afraid to piss them off. For a guy often praised for "telling it like it is", he sure is afraid to call out white terrorism.

tommybel89 posted...

The media will try to pile everything they can on the President today, without acknowledging the leftist protest violence that has occurred in the last 6-12 months.

Bottom line: all political violence is bad. The racist gathering should have been left alone to wither and go away on their own.

Yeah, counter protesting is to blame here. Not having a Nazi rally because a park wants to take down a statue and change names. Spin spin spin.
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Glass_Phantom posted...

Monday posted...

Yep, because they were, at the time, non-violent. Then they became violent after I left that topic. What's your point?

That maybe your judgment isn't so good.

I still believe everyone has the right to protest. Are you insinuating that, as a result of these events, the alt-right shouldn't be allowed to protest in the future? Is it bad judgment to assume nobody will be run over by some racist lunatic? I'm genuinely curious.
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Monday posted...

Glass_Phantom posted...

Monday posted...

Yep, because they were, at the time, non-violent. Then they became violent after I left that topic. What's your point?

That maybe your judgment isn't so good.

I still believe everyone has the right to protest. Are you insinuating that, as a result of these events, the alt-right shouldn't be allowed to protest in the future? Is it bad judgment to assume nobody will be run over by some racist lunatic? I'm genuinely curious.

Neo-nazis should never have a platform.
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Monday posted...

I still believe everyone has the right to protest. Are you insinuating that, as a result of these events, the alt-right shouldn't be allowed to protest in the future? Is it bad judgment to assume nobody will be run over by some racist lunatic? I'm genuinely curious.

I'm not saying they should be stripped of their right to protest.

I'm saying your politics, and especially your campaign against campus protestors and "social justice warriors," have stoked the fire for these evil people to come out of the woodwork and terrorize communities. Because these Neo Nazis know they'll always have a refuge to fall back on by smirking and telling everyone who's against them to "go get a safe space," and they know conservatives will give them political cover by turning it back against the left.

ScazarMeltex posted...

Monday posted...

Glass_Phantom posted...

Monday posted...

Yep, because they were, at the time, non-violent. Then they became violent after I left that topic. What's your point?

That maybe your judgment isn't so good.

I still believe everyone has the right to protest. Are you insinuating that, as a result of these events, the alt-right shouldn't be allowed to protest in the future? Is it bad judgment to assume nobody will be run over by some racist lunatic? I'm genuinely curious.

Neo-nazis should never have a platform.

Even they are protected by the right to protest and freedom of speech.
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Again, my post from last night's topic.

The issue is that people should feel ashamed to express these beliefs, and they don't.

The conservative right has rallied around the notion that everyone should be free to express whatever they believe in without being shamed for it.

Instead of earning society's censure, folks like you seem to think all ideas should be free to compete in a "marketplace of ideas" -- including the racist ones, the trans and homophobic ones, the misogynist ones. And if someone like me protests it, or labels you a racist for it, then that means I am opposed to freedom of speech, and I should scurry off and find a "safe space" or some such thing.

I say the "marketplace of ideas" is a poor model for society to follow. Contrary to what the right likes to think, the most virtuous ideas will not come out on top; it will only create a safe haven for hatred and prejudice to fester. I think it's incumbent on all of us to shout down that hatred and prejudice wherever we see it, and you would label me a social justice warrior for that.

In short, Monday, the problem is you're fighting for a nasty, dark, and lightless future. These protestors are a symptom of the success you've enjoyed hereto, and I'm against you for it.

ScazarMeltex posted...

Monday posted...

Glass_Phantom posted...

Monday posted...

Yep, because they were, at the time, non-violent. Then they became violent after I left that topic. What's your point?

That maybe your judgment isn't so good.

I still believe everyone has the right to protest. Are you insinuating that, as a result of these events, the alt-right shouldn't be allowed to protest in the future? Is it bad judgment to assume nobody will be run over by some racist lunatic? I'm genuinely curious.

Neo-nazis should never have a platform.

People like to confuse free speech with embracing all speech. You don't need to stand by and let everyone say whatever they want without challenge or social repercussions to have free speech. You know, because everyone else has free speech to not like what you say and make it known.
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Glass_Phantom posted...

Again, my post from last night's topic.

The issue is that people should feel ashamed to express these beliefs, and they don't.

The conservative right has rallied around the notion that everyone should be free to express whatever they believe in without being shamed for it.

Instead of earning society's censure, folks like you seem to think all ideas should be free to compete in a "marketplace of ideas" -- including the racist ones, the trans and homophobic ones, the misogynist ones. And if someone like me protests it, or labels you a racist for it, then that means I am opposed to freedom of speech, and I should scurry off and find a "safe space" or some such thing.

I say the "marketplace of ideas" is a poor model for society to follow. Contrary to what the right likes to think, the most virtuous ideas will not come out on top; it will only create a safe haven for hatred and prejudice to fester. I think it's incumbent on all of us to shout down that hatred and prejudice wherever we see it, and you would label me a social justice warrior for that.

In short, Monday, the problem is you're fighting for a nasty, dark, and lightless future. These protestors are a symptom of the success you've enjoyed hereto, and I'm against you for it.

I wouldn't label you an SJW, I'd label you delusional. I don't live in a world where the potential for compassion is greater than the potential for violence.

What I believe in is simple. People act out of their own interest, and rarely in the interests of others. You'd like a world where all the "bad" people are constantly shamed for having "bad" thoughts, but that isn't realistic.

I don't understand your blind idealism.
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Monday posted...

Glass_Phantom posted...

Again, my post from last night's topic.

The issue is that people should feel ashamed to express these beliefs, and they don't.

The conservative right has rallied around the notion that everyone should be free to express whatever they believe in without being shamed for it.

Instead of earning society's censure, folks like you seem to think all ideas should be free to compete in a "marketplace of ideas" -- including the racist ones, the trans and homophobic ones, the misogynist ones. And if someone like me protests it, or labels you a racist for it, then that means I am opposed to freedom of speech, and I should scurry off and find a "safe space" or some such thing.

I say the "marketplace of ideas" is a poor model for society to follow. Contrary to what the right likes to think, the most virtuous ideas will not come out on top; it will only create a safe haven for hatred and prejudice to fester. I think it's incumbent on all of us to shout down that hatred and prejudice wherever we see it, and you would label me a social justice warrior for that.

In short, Monday, the problem is you're fighting for a nasty, dark, and lightless future. These protestors are a symptom of the success you've enjoyed hereto, and I'm against you for it.

I wouldn't label you an SJW, I'd label you delusional. I don't live in a world where the potential for compassion is greater than the potential for violence.

What I believe in is simple. People act out of their own interest, and rarely in the interests of others. You'd like a world where all the "bad" people are constantly shamed for having "bad" thoughts, but that isn't realistic.

I don't understand your blind idealism.

You live in a world where we should complain that Obama doesn't say "Islamic terrorism" is terrible but Trump not actively condemning Nazi's is a good thing.

Your world is the delusional one.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

You live in a world where we should complain that Obama doesn't say "Islamic terrorism" is terrible but Trump not actively condemning Nazi's is a good thing.

Your world is the delusional one.

lol I wasn't even involved with that nonsense when it was relevant. I heard about it, though "this is fucking stupid", and went about my day.
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No he didn't, at this point he's pretty much encouraging the Alt-Right
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RebelElite791 posted...

thompsontalker7 posted...

Liberals seriously expect Trump to denounce a large (vocal) part of his voter base

Yes, liberals expect Trump to denounce motherfucking actual-ass Nazis. How terrible. Calm down libbie hippies!

I don't need all of that cheek, thanks.

The over generalized response from Trump is about the same response Obama gave towards all the various riots and protests while he was in office too. The point is that this is pretty much a standard reaction at this point.

Let's say he does go out and condemn the instigators specifically. Does that really change anything besides pissing them off? It's certainly changing nothing for liberals, so I find all this outrage to be borderline ersatz.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

You live in a world where we should complain that Obama doesn't say "Islamic terrorism" is terrible but Trump not actively condemning Nazi's is a good thing.

Your world is the delusional one.

Obama's stance is that they weren't muslims and that's why he refused to call them such.
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

Trump denounced "many sides" because he can't very well specifically call out his own voter base, now can he?

trumpeters are too dense to understand nuance

thompsontalker7 posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

thompsontalker7 posted...

Liberals seriously expect Trump to denounce a large (vocal) part of his voter base

Yes, liberals expect Trump to denounce motherfucking actual-ass Nazis. How terrible. Calm down libbie hippies!

I don't need all of that cheek, thanks.

The over generalized response from Trump is about the same response Obama gave towards all the various riots and protests while he was in office too. The point is that this is pretty much a standard reaction at this point.

Let's say he does go out and condemn the instigators specifically. Does that really change anything besides pissing them off? It's certainly changing nothing for liberals.

another 'both sides are as bad as each other!!!' cop out post full to the brim with the emptiest of rhetoric from thomp
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YellowSUV posted...

Learn to read. He never condemned the attack. He just blathered about a generic "both sides" message.

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Shut the fuck up trumpanzee
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im sure trump who has Jews in his family,
went to AIPAC, supports Israel,
is a big "nazi".

lmao.
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https://i.redd.it/3d8kq62zaefz.png
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dj4242 posted...

ScazarMeltex posted...

Monday posted...

Glass_Phantom posted...

Monday posted...

Yep, because they were, at the time, non-violent. Then they became violent after I left that topic. What's your point?

That maybe your judgment isn't so good.

I still believe everyone has the right to protest. Are you insinuating that, as a result of these events, the alt-right shouldn't be allowed to protest in the future? Is it bad judgment to assume nobody will be run over by some racist lunatic? I'm genuinely curious.

Neo-nazis should never have a platform.

Even they are protected by the right to protest and freedom of speech.

No. Shut up.
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AmonAmarth posted...

im sure trump who has Jews in his family,
went to AIPAC, supports Israel,
is a big "nazi".

lmao.

His actions speak for themselves.
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AmonAmarth posted...

im sure trump who has Jews in his family,
went to AIPAC, supports Israel,
is a big "nazi".

lmao.

I'm sure he hasn't outright condemned Nazis or called this terrorism. He isn't Nazi, but the famously outspoken man eking out a meek "Same thing both sides. Let's get along" over terrorism at a Nazi rally doesn't seem like the proper reaction.
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CloudStrife630 posted...

https://i.redd.it/3d8kq62zaefz.png

I hate chucklefucks who think this is what being moderate means. It's a deliberate antagonizing to be "your way or the highway" in all viewpoints.
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hockeybub89 posted...

tommybel89 posted...

The media will try to pile everything they can on the President today, without acknowledging the leftist protest violence that has occurred in the last 6-12 months.

Bottom line: all political violence is bad. The racist gathering should have been left alone to wither and go away on their own.

Yeah, counter protesting is to blame here. Not having a Nazi rally because a park wants to take down a statue and change names. Spin spin spin.

Nazis and KKK have like zero influence or foothold anymore. Anti-fascists (aka commy campus losers) on the other hand have been attacking right wingers for months on end and are funded by the deep state.

But the 5 or 6 mainstream networks don't bother talking about this. Almost as if they are aligned with whatever side will hurt the President.
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Deep state

Shut up
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tommybel89 posted...

deep state

confirmed that nobody should listen to you.
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tommybel89 posted...

Anti-fascists (aka commy campus losers) on the other hand have been attacking right wingers for months on end and are funded by the deep state.

This sentence doesn't even have internal consistency.
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emblem boy posted...

People want to see him denounce the message of the groups, not just the violence.

People don't listen to him when he does.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgtxrCD9iCk
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NadYobWoc posted...

BignutzisBack posted...

NadYobWoc posted...

BignutzisBack posted...

it's just Liberals finally being able to jump at the chance to push their agenda that's all,they still have a lot of attacks to catch up to radical islam

There have been more right wing attacks in this country than islamic attacks. Dont let that stop your psychotic narrative though.

There have been more left wing attacks as well, goalpost moving and a dumb post on your part

What left wing attacks? Can you name any?

And you're literally the one moving the goalposts, you specifically brought up islamic attacks.

A leftist literally opened fire on a bunch of republicans at a baseball field a couple months ago. Two years ago Dallas officers were gunned down, leftist were willing to burn down their own campus at Berkeley to silence a conflicting ideology.
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YellowSUV posted...

Learn to read. He never condemned the attack. He just blathered about a generic "both sides" message.

Funny, I thought Trump supporters like TC could read! LMAO

BignutzisBack posted...

ooof look at this emotional post lol, so far we have personal attacks, hysteria, and people clamming up because they're butthurt. All around pathetic showing by Liberals ITT, you're not doing a very good job separating yourself from the whole "left ruled by emotion" label

You're acting really stupid, you know that?

Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...

NadYobWoc posted...

BignutzisBack posted...

NadYobWoc posted...

BignutzisBack posted...

it's just Liberals finally being able to jump at the chance to push their agenda that's all,they still have a lot of attacks to catch up to radical islam

There have been more right wing attacks in this country than islamic attacks. Dont let that stop your psychotic narrative though.

There have been more left wing attacks as well, goalpost moving and a dumb post on your part

What left wing attacks? Can you name any?

And you're literally the one moving the goalposts, you specifically brought up islamic attacks.

A leftist literally opened fire on a bunch of republicans at a baseball field a couple months ago. Two years ago Dallas officers were gunned down, leftist were willing to burn down their own campus at Berkeley to silence a conflicting ideology.

I wasn't claiming there werent any, I was making the point that they are far less frequent than right wing domestic terrorism. Church shootings, mosque firebombings, abortion clinic bombings, plowing cars into crowds of people, etc.

And the Berkeley riots weren't terrorism, stupid and unacceptable though they were.
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Most of you must be smoking crack if you honestly believe that Trump is for people like myself who aren't caucasian.

All that he's doing, is putting up a front.

Trump supporters are so fucking pathetic it's actually mind boggling. They are the literal cesspool of this country.

Phantom_Nook posted...

tommybel89 posted...

deep state

confirmed that nobody should listen to you.

Confirmed nitwit who's waiting for Jake Tapper and Rachel Maddow to soothe him to sleep at night.
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So, does anybody else notice the disgusting lack of media coverage regarding antifa and other violent leftist terrorist organizations?? They were quick to jump on the whole "white terrorism" bullshit train.
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Trump can call out Rappers, TV shows, Stores, Nations, Random people out by name. Yet he didn't call out the group roaming the streets with torches beating up random minorities out. And ramming his cars into people.
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--kresnik-- posted...

So, does anybody else notice the disgusting lack of media coverage regarding antifa and other violent leftist terrorist organizations?? They were quick to jump on the whole "white terrorism" bullshit train.

Thank you. It's almost as if there's a playbook being run. But don't mention that, you'll be called a crazy person!
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It's true. In this day and age, if I even say that I'm proud of my heritage, that is misinterpreted (99% of he time by other white people) to mean gay I'm racist (which I'm not).

It's okay to be proud of being any other race, because white people are the ONLY group of people who have EVER done anything to be ashamed of, right?

/sarcasm
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cjsdowg posted...

Trump can call out Rappers, TV shows, Stores, Nations, Random people out by name. Yet he didn't call out the group roaming the streets with torches beating up random minorities out. And ramming his cars into people.

I agree he probably should call them out. Though maybe in his mind he chooses the "ignore" option in order to not give them any sort of credit. And as I've seen in general in the news and mostly on the alternative news, right wing hate groups have no where the organization, preparation and "weaponization" (for lack of better word) of the left wing groups. The main networks besides FOX have done a **** job on denouncing campus riots and BLM riots.
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--kresnik-- posted...

to mean gay I'm racist (which I'm not).

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--kresnik-- posted...

So, does anybody else notice the disgusting lack of media coverage regarding antifa and other violent leftist terrorist organizations?? They were quick to jump on the whole "white terrorism" bullshit train.

It was a fucking neo nazi rally using bigoted chants and imagery.

Congrats though, this is now the image of the alt right to the general masses
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--kresnik-- posted...

So, does anybody else notice the disgusting lack of media coverage regarding antifa and other violent leftist terrorist organizations?? They were quick to jump on the whole "white terrorism" bullshit train.

This right here
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he didn't specifically denounce white nationalism.
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Arcanine2009 posted...

he didn't specifically denounce white nationalism.

Obama never specifically denounces radical islamics
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

--kresnik-- posted...

So, does anybody else notice the disgusting lack of media coverage regarding antifa and other violent leftist terrorist organizations?? They were quick to jump on the whole "white terrorism" bullshit train.

It was a fucking neo nazi rally using bigoted chants and imagery.

Congrats though, this is now the image of the alt right to the general masses

You realize your permanent image is little kids wearing masks (because they're cowards) and throwing explosives at innocent people's heads?

So, yeah. There's that. Then there's the fact hat our party decried the nazis and your party didn't say shit or do shit about antifa (who has already harmed exponentially more people). Nice try.
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