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legendary_zell 08/12/17 9:17:02 PM #1: |
https://twitter.com/soledadobrien/status/896492127911149568
We all know how intense and specific Trump can be when he wants to criticize a group or an individual. See Rosie, the Khan family, Cruz, Rubio, Hilary, Muslims, China, etc. Yet here we have people rioting with guns and other weapons, carrying Nazi and confederate flags, beating people, running people over. And all he can muster is a conspicuously weak and non-specific "same thing both sides". Meanwhile even other Republicans are openly condemning white supremacist racism and violence and directly calling out Trump for refusing to do so. It's not just a liberal conspiracy, everyone knows how important it is to call them out specifically and directly. Yet he refuses to do it. And it has the exact dog whistle effect anyone with a brain thinks it would. They feel emboldened and feel like he wasn't talking about them. That he didn't condemn them. That he only vaguely alluded to them in order to placate the public and he secretly supports them. This is coming from the white supremacists themselves, it's not being attributed to them by the left. How could anyone possibly defend this? He knows people are doing this in his name and they think he supports it, yet he refuses to do the politically and morally sensible thing and condemn literally nazis who are beating and murdering people. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Webmaster4531 08/12/17 9:19:15 PM #2: |
They're the main reason he won.
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Monday 08/12/17 9:20:57 PM #3: |
how do i into shitposting
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DarthAragorn 08/12/17 9:21:11 PM #4: |
Monday posted...
how do i into shitposting Like THIS --- A thousand eyes, and one. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Butterfiles 08/12/17 9:21:24 PM #5: |
b-but vague platitudes from a guy who tells it like it is means he's actually speaking out!
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Kazi1212 08/12/17 9:23:25 PM #6: |
What are the odds that guy is a troll or a political shill to make Trump look bad? Like someone should go to that stormfront site and conduct a poll for what percentage of their members think trump has validated their message today with his speech.
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UncleBourbon33 08/12/17 9:26:04 PM #7: |
Kazi1212 posted...
What are the odds that guy is a troll or a political shill to make Trump look bad? Like someone should go to that stormfront site and conduct a poll for what percentage of their members think trump has validated their message today with his speech. I'm convinced David Duke is a democrat plant. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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legendary_zell 08/12/17 9:31:48 PM #8: |
Monday posted...
how do i into shitposting You don't need to ask me, you're doing it all over the board. Do you care to answer the question? Why is the man who got elected for speaking his mind, not being politically correct, being crude and confrontational, calling out those who needed to be called out etc now refusing to do any of that? He's instead drawing false equivalencies and switching to fake conciliatory language that has the "side effect" of allowing white supremacists to feel they are not condemned and are instead supported. Republicans know this, liberals know this, white supremacists know it, it seems only online trolls don't know it. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Phantom_Nook 08/12/17 9:35:24 PM #9: |
Kazi1212 posted...
What are the odds that guy is a troll or a political shill to make Trump look bad? Like someone should go to that stormfront site and conduct a poll for what percentage of their members think trump has validated their message today with his speech. yep, just another false flag. like literally everything that doesn't cast Emperor Trump in a golden light. --- When a girl has sex with a bunch of guys, they call her a slut, but when a guy does it, they call him gay. ~ Antifar ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ammonitida 08/12/17 9:43:26 PM #10: |
This man's motives have not been determined. There were several cars in front of his trying to drive through a crowd slowly that was blocking the street. Based on videos and eyewitness accounts, he drives up to the crowd slowly and at some point accelerates. This man might have been very impatient and popped a fuse, leading to a road rage incident. I've seen this at other protests. There's no evidence at the moment that he was part of the rally in any capacity.
People have been searching his internet footprints and all they have come up with so far is his party affiliation. No history of Neo-Nazi activism, Trump support, or anything like that. We all know how intense and specific Trump can be when he wants to criticize a group or an individual. See Rosie, the Khan family, Cruz, Rubio, Hilary, Muslims, China, etc. That's politics, counter-punching, and the usual right wing obsession with Islam. carrying Nazi and confederate flags, beating people, running people over. Violence came from both sides. Trump was right to condemn both. If you watch the earlier part of my stream you can see anti-right wing chasing after a Lexus and throwing rocks, bottles, a shoe The above is from a reporter working for TheHill. https://twitter.com/TaylorLorenz/status/896444386875240448 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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legendary_zell 08/12/17 9:55:48 PM #11: |
Ammonitida posted...
This man's motives have not been determined. There were several cars in front of his trying to drive through a crowd slowly that was blocking the street. Based on videos and eyewitness accounts, he drives up to the crowd slowly and at some point accelerates. This man might have been very impatient and popped a fuse, leading to a road rage incident. I've seen this at other protests. There's no evidence at the moment that he was part of the rally in any capacity. Even if every word of this is true, which it isn't, that still wouldn't excuse Trump. His whole thing is attacking people specifically and viciously, yet he can't seem to find any venom for Nazis and those Nazis and everyone else are definitely noticing that. They must be specifically, forcefully, unequivocally discredited by Trump himself. Anything else will be taken as support by them. A lot of them are literally out there cosplaying as Trump while attacking people and giving nazi salutes, David Duke literally just said this violent rally is what MAGA really means. As President, and as someone with is personality, he has the responsibility to come down on them specifically and not resort to whataboutism, silence, deflection or anything else that would water down the message of "Fuck Nazis" If Obama had done this with the New Black Panthers after running a racially divisive campaign, the entire right would have (rightfully) burst into flame. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CADE FOSTER 08/12/17 9:59:16 PM #12: |
Trump is hitler lite
Stephen miller is Joseph Goebbels jr bannon is no clue satan --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarthAragorn 08/12/17 10:00:10 PM #13: |
CADE FOSTER posted...
Trump is hitler lite Trump is not even fucking close to Hitler you delusional child --- A thousand eyes, and one. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CADE FOSTER 08/12/17 10:02:28 PM #14: |
DarthAragorn posted...
CADE FOSTER posted...Trump is hitler lite Yes you are right he is to stupid to be hitler maybe kim jong un --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 08/12/17 10:03:57 PM #15: |
One post on the stormer saying Trump supports Nazis?
Must be true. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AlternativeFAQS 08/12/17 10:05:55 PM #16: |
DarthAragorn posted...
CADE FOSTER posted...Trump is hitler lite not at the moment, but historians have said his rise to power was similar to Hitlers ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 08/12/17 10:07:36 PM #17: |
AlternativeFAQS posted...
not at the moment, but historians have said his rise to power was similar to Hitlers Who, Paxton? The guy who said "Trump greeted people at an airbase and waved to them from atop the stairs, like Hitler did"? The side-by-side pictures of Hitler and Trump both drinking water was made specifically to make fun of that guy. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ammonitida 08/12/17 10:47:00 PM #18: |
Even if every word of this is true, which it isn't, Care to point out which words are not true? His whole thing is attacking people specifically and viciously, He's a counter-puncher. But this rally was not about him. Even so, he did condemn the violence and hate. What more do you want? To condemn Duke AGAIN? They must be specifically, forcefully, unequivocally discredited by Trump himself. He already did that. He specifically condemned David Duke twice, once in 2000 (under no pressure), and again in 2016. He also condemned any hate crimes done in his name right after the election in a televised interview. He looked at the camera and told them to "stop it". Duke's zealous support for Trump is baffling, considering how many Jews he as in his administration and the fact that he has Jewish family members. Also the fact that Trump dropped out a political party in 2000 just because Duke had joined it, calling him a bigot and racist. If Obama had done this with the New Black Panthers after running a racially divisive campaign, You mean like when Obama condemned the anti-police bigotry of the left after the Micah Johnson massacre during a BLM rally? Obama condemned both the killer and abusive policing ("both sides"). Trump did the same in regards to this rally. He condemn the bigotry, violence and hate -- and that includes the anti-right wingers throwing rocks at motorists trying to pass through, or is that not wrong in your book? BTW, when did Obama condemn the hate crimes committed during the Milwaukee riots last year in which a white man was shot in the neck and white motorists were attacked? The left wing tried to cover it up by not covering it at all. Thanks to social and right wing media for not keeping us in the dark. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Terra-enforcer 08/12/17 10:55:08 PM #19: |
This sucks. I actually like Trump and I've done damage control and defended him multiple times before on here and irl. But this is just terrible. This is pretty hard to justify. Any other president, even some of the worst people, would condemn their actions and denounce white nationalism, and yet Trump remains silent. Why man?
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Mal_Fet 08/12/17 10:55:47 PM #20: |
Terra-enforcer posted...
Any other president, even some of the worst people, would condemn their actions and denounce white nationalism, and yet Trump remains silent. Why man? In what way did he not condemn this...? --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ImTheMacheteGuy 08/12/17 10:57:54 PM #21: |
UncleBourbon33 posted...
Kazi1212 posted...What are the odds that guy is a troll or a political shill to make Trump look bad? Like someone should go to that stormfront site and conduct a poll for what percentage of their members think trump has validated their message today with his speech. There's no way he'd be able to keep that up for like what... 40 years now? --- "I can i i everything else," Bob reportedly said. Alice replied: "Balls have zero to me to me to me..." (Facebook AIs talking to each other) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 08/12/17 10:58:50 PM #22: |
Ammonitida posted...
ou mean like when Obama condemned the anti-police bigotry of the left after the Micah Johnson massacre during a BLM rally? Obama condemned both the killer and abusive policing ("both sides"). Your memory doesn't serve you well http://time.com/4398185/barack-obama-remarks-dallas-police-shooting/ We still don't know all the facts. What we do know is that there has been a vicious, calculated and despicable attack on law enforcement. Police in Dallas were on duty, doing their jobs, keeping people safe during peaceful protests. These law enforcement officers were targeted, and nearly a dozen officers were shot. Five were killed. Other officers and at least one civilian were wounded -- some are in serious condition, and we are praying for their recovery. --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Terra-enforcer 08/12/17 10:59:21 PM #23: |
@Mal_Fet posted...
Terra-enforcer posted...Any other president, even some of the worst people, would condemn their actions and denounce white nationalism, and yet Trump remains silent. Why man? A better question is in what way did he? By walking off when asked if he supports them? Did you even read the link? After rereading it myself, they literally ask him does he "condemn" their acts word for word and he ignored them. --- Nintendo Switch Friend Code: SW-3032-7898-9500 http://psnprofiles.com/Terraforce777 http://miiverse.nintendo.net/users/Rayquaza487 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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wah_wah_wah 08/12/17 11:01:07 PM #24: |
AlternativeFAQS posted...
DarthAragorn posted...CADE FOSTER posted...Trump is hitler lite Trump is more like Kaiser Wilhelm II. An elite that can't keep his mouth shut and doesn't have any discipline, or talent for the job he finds himself in at birth. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Monday 08/12/17 11:02:54 PM #25: |
legendary_zell posted...
Monday posted...how do i into shitposting I'm shitposting in topics meant for shitposting. That WW2 vet topic, the trump whining topic, and this topic. You really gonna bust my balls because I'm on your turf? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ammonitida 08/12/17 11:03:32 PM #26: |
Antifar posted...
Ammonitida posted...ou mean like when Obama condemned the anti-police bigotry of the left after the Micah Johnson massacre during a BLM rally? Obama condemned both the killer and abusive policing ("both sides"). I know he condemned it. When I said "killer", I didn't just mean Micah, but the whole thing. Both sides. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 08/12/17 11:05:12 PM #27: |
Ammonitida posted...
When I said "killer", I didn't just mean Micah, but the whole thing. Both sides. He in no way condemned both sides with his statement. --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CADE FOSTER 08/12/17 11:07:24 PM #28: |
David duke tweeted at trump saying remember its the white people that got you elected
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RebelElite791 08/12/17 11:08:21 PM #29: |
wah_wah_wah posted...
AlternativeFAQS posted...DarthAragorn posted...CADE FOSTER posted...Trump is hitler lite I mean Anne fucking Frank's stepsister even compared him to Hitler. I have German friends who have compared the rise of Trump and the alt-reich to Hitler --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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legendary_zell 08/12/17 11:10:58 PM #30: |
Ammonitida posted...
Even if every word of this is true, which it isn't, I don't wanna turn this into a side argument about whether the guy was part of the rioters or his intentions. There's enough video evidence to support the idea that he intentionally ran into these people and its very likely he did this because he supported their ideas. Though that's just one factor for this topic. These people are attacking his country, he is being attacked because of them, yet he doesn't attack them. What more do I want? The same thing other Republicans and politicians have already done. To call this out as Nazi/white supremacist violence specifically and condemn them specifically with the same force he attacks far less offensive things with. That's not some unreasonable request. Every President other than maybe Andrew Johnson would do that here. It's good that he has condemned David Duke but his rhetoric and the way he condemns Duke and others who think like him very clearly gives them and others the impression it's crafted to be weaker than necessary. That's simple not up for dispute at this point. Republicans, Democrats, and White Supremacists all agree that's what's happening. One side in the BLM situation was largely peacefully protesting about legitimate racial issues but some committed violence while others were supporting police. Two valid sides. So it made sense to make some equivalence. Here, we have Nazis vs non-Nazis. He can condemn both if he wants, but do it separately and completely for each side, don't make false equivalencies that make it seem like only one side is really being criticized on the same day Nazis are potentially killing and are at least beating people and conducting armed marches shouting Nazi slogans in the streets while others (non-Nazis, that bears infinite repeating) respond in anger. Again, I'm not pulling this out of nowhere, Marco Rubio freaking agrees. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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legendary_zell 08/12/17 11:14:16 PM #31: |
Monday posted...
legendary_zell posted...Monday posted...how do i into shitposting This is a serious topic. No one is trolling other than you. I'm asking a question that will be increasingly asked if these things continue to happen and Trump continues to have the same milquetoast response. If you don't want to engage, just leave. Pol, voat, /b/, the Donald etc all need your help right now. They're kinda having a bad day. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JE19426 08/12/17 11:21:25 PM #32: |
Mal_Fet posted...
He failed to condemn it in anyway. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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wah_wah_wah 08/12/17 11:23:56 PM #33: |
RebelElite791 posted...
wah_wah_wah posted...AlternativeFAQS posted...DarthAragorn posted...CADE FOSTER posted...Trump is hitler lite I don't think being a victim of Hitler means you're an expert at spotting Hitlers. If anything I think it would mean the opposite. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RebelElite791 08/12/17 11:26:23 PM #34: |
wah_wah_wah posted...
RebelElite791 posted...wah_wah_wah posted...AlternativeFAQS posted...DarthAragorn posted...CADE FOSTER posted...Trump is hitler lite Right you obviously have a better grasp on Nazi history than people who were in the goddamn camps. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Monday 08/12/17 11:29:10 PM #35: |
legendary_zell posted...
This is a serious topic. Fuck outta here. Making a statement like "Trump is giving comfort and support to actual neo-nazis" is blatant shitposting. That's the kind of title Buzzfeed would run with, and you know it. You are not gonna sit there and tell me this topic is serious, no fucking way. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ammonitida 08/12/17 11:29:46 PM #36: |
Fields' mother, Samantha Bloom, told the Toledo Blade, a CNN affiliate, that he told her last week he was going to an "alt-right" rally, but she didn't get involved in his political views. "I told him to be careful ... if they are going to rally, to make sure he is doing it peacefully," she told the newspaper. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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wah_wah_wah 08/12/17 11:30:48 PM #37: |
RebelElite791 posted...
Right you obviously have a better grasp on Nazi history than people who were in the goddamn camps. You're not an expert on "Nazi history" just because you were in a concentration camp. Probably on the operations of the camp you were in, yeah. There's people in this world that know more about American history than I do, that don't live in America. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Axiom 08/12/17 11:31:51 PM #38: |
Monday posted...
legendary_zell posted...This is a serious topic. The title might be hyperbole but nothing in the OP is wrong ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 08/12/17 11:32:28 PM #39: |
Monday posted...
Fuck outta here. Making a statement like "Trump is giving comfort and support to actual neo-nazis" is blatant shitposting It's also correct. Trump, by not focusing his ire on those who deserve it, by playing this "many sides" bullshit, is helping the neo-Nazis in question. --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 08/12/17 11:59:09 PM #40: |
Terra-enforcer posted...
A better question is in what way did he? By saying he condemned hate on both sides. That's how he condemned it. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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legendary_zell 08/13/17 12:04:53 AM #41: |
Genericgamer667 posted...
let's remove any doubt now I'm not sure if this is true, but if it is, it indicates a lot. Also, how the hell is he NOT giving them comfort and support? They are in their own words stating that he is. He could clear up any potential misconceptions, but refuses to do so when all he has to do is take the easy step of saying Nazis are scum and I hate them and I will prosecute them all. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JE19426 08/13/17 12:06:23 AM #42: |
Mal_Fet posted...
By saying he condemned hate on both sides. He didn’t say that. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 08/13/17 12:08:40 AM #43: |
Mal_Fet posted...
Terra-enforcer posted...A better question is in what way did he? I'm sure you would be a-ok with President making such a statement in the wake Islamic extremist terrorism. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Black462 08/13/17 12:08:47 AM #44: |
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CADE FOSTER 08/13/17 12:09:53 AM #45: |
Black462 posted...
Neo nazi's did 99% of the violence though ftfy --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 08/13/17 1:52:34 AM #46: |
@JE19426 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...By saying he condemned hate on both sides. "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides" --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JE19426 08/13/17 1:55:06 AM #47: |
Mal_Fet posted...
"We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides" Many sides =/= Both sides. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WaterLink 08/13/17 1:56:36 AM #48: |
So he implied Antifa are haters
Well, I mean they are... --- No one sings like you anymore ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CADE FOSTER 08/13/17 2:08:19 AM #49: |
WaterLink posted...
So he implied Antifa are haters Not as hateful as literal neo nazi's --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 08/13/17 2:10:08 AM #50: |
JE19426 posted...
Mal_Fet posted..."We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides" And that changes what CADE FOSTER posted... WaterLink posted...So he implied Antifa are haters Antifa behave like actual brownshirts --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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