Current Events > Remember when people said that Obama set back race relations in America?

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White supremacy is an idealogy that is on a religious level to many. trying to argue with these zealots about humanizing Black people is like telling a devout Christian that Allah is the answer.
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emblem boy posted...

There were people who didn't like him for being black. I can't agree with your reasoning that talking about a matter that exists is some how negative.

So you think if JFK had one speeches about how is Catholic and people hate him because he is Catholic, that wouldn't have resulted in a bigger divide between Catholics and non-Catholics?

And you will never answer that question.

So sure, maybe you can say him talking about race put race relations in a spotlight and you can say it increased racial tension, but I don't see that as a negative, if the alternative is to ignore the issue that clearly exists.

That's your opinion.

I would argue it's a stupid one though. There is more to life than "Ignore everything" and "Make massive massive divides and splits and big deals about specific things."

And I think you know that considering what pieces you choose to reply to and what you choose to ignore. Just like Obama
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

White supremacy is an idealogy that is on a religious level to many. trying to argue with these zealots about humanizing Black people is like telling a devout Christian that Allah is the answer.

I'd argue it's even harder than that.

At least Christians and Muslims and Jews can enjoy the olive Branch of being Children of the book who all share monotheistic male-dominated beliefs that share dozens of stories and morals.

You can sell Allah to Christians as just a misunderstanding of Yahweh.

You can't do the same to a racial supremacist.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

So you think if JFK had one speeches about how is Catholic and people hate him because he is Catholic, that wouldn't have resulted in a bigger divide between Catholics and non-Catholics?

If it results in a bigger divide, then it results in a bigger divide. My point was that not talking about an issue that exists, so you don't create tensions isn't a positive. Are there times when it's best to do it and times when it's not? Of course.

UnfairRepresent posted...

That's your opinion.

I would argue it's a stupid one though. There is more to life than "Ignore everything" and "Make massive massive divides and splits and big deals about specific things."

And I think you know that considering what pieces you choose to reply to and what you choose to ignore. Just like Obama

I didn't reply to the examples you had because I agree with some of them. Could he have handled the trayvon Martin and the BLM situation better, of course.

and I have no response for the other examples right now because I don't have the stats. I don't think he made racial remakes bi weekly, and I can't search through all his speeches right now for his mentions of other minority groups, so I can't really comment on those.
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Caution999 posted...

Imagine taking an Amputation topic seriously.

Imagine being uneducated and uninformed

Boom, now you are Caution
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UnfairRepresent posted...

There is more to life than "Ignore everything" and "Make massive massive divides and splits and big deals about specific things."

And I don't get this statement. Are you saying it's not a simple right and wrong issue? If so, of course I agree there's grey areas
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emblem boy posted...

If it results in a bigger divide, then it results in a bigger divide.

Which sets relations black

My point was that not talking about an issue that exists, isn't a positive.

Which is debatable to begin with and secondly, it's not an either/or choice.

Neil deGrasse Tyson summed this up very well when people kept asking him "Oh so what's it like being the represenative of black people as the black science guy you black man who is pushing boundires of race because you are black."

It's not helping.

emblem boy posted...

and I have no response for the other examples right now because I don't have the stats. I don't think he made racial remakes bi weekly, and I can't search through all his speeches right now for his mentions of other minority groups, so I can't really comment on those.

It's not so much about minority groups.

It's just pointing out that he made a big big deal about "Black and White" yet barely mentioned anyone or anything that wasnt black or white.

Which instantly tells you something about division.

Chinese-Americans and Anglo-Americans arent feeling the same tension that is being felt by African Amerians and Anglo Americans right now. Nor are they sharing the same depressing statistics of education and crime, nor are they calling for segregation.

I was about to say there's no "Chinese lives matter" group but on second thought there almost certainally is But there is no CLM faction of importance or note

This all should tell you something about "race relations"over the past decade
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emblem boy posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

There is more to life than "Ignore everything" and "Make massive massive divides and splits and big deals about specific things."

And I don't get this statement. Are you saying it's not a simple right and wrong issue? If so, of course I agree there's grey areas

The subejct is racial tension, race relations and what cause them to progress or regress.

I don't think there is such a thing as a right or wrong answer.

But for the record I was saying that it isn't black or white as you implied it (no pun intended)

I say it helped promote a divide when you stand on a stage in front of thousands with millions watching worldwide on screens and say "People don't like me because I am black!"


And you say "Well the alternative is to ignore everything!"

And I reject that those are the only two options, regardless of which option is the "right" one.

Going back to JFK he never ignored his faith, he was proud of it. So much so that it annoyed his campaigners who wanted him to hide it.

But he also never did speeches about how people hated him because he was Catholic, even though it's probably true. Because they don't do anything apart from draw lines and build walls.

Now in the 21st century hardly anyone hates Catholics to the extent that when Atheists attack them for their global protection of child rapists people get angry at the Atheists for bringing it up not the Cathoics for defending and allowing it.

What does that tell you about hatred disolving? and JFK had a hand in that.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

I say it helped promote a divide when you stand on a stage in front of thousands with millions watching worldwide on screens and say "People don't like me because I am black!"

Does it? Is honesty really the problem?

I mean is "openly arguing about it all the time" a step BACK from "quietly enduring it all the time"? Or is it a step FORWARD?

Problems don't get solved when you pretend they don't exist.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

emblem boy posted...

If it results in a bigger divide, then it results in a bigger divide.

Which sets relations black

My point was that not talking about an issue that exists, isn't a positive.

Which is debatable to begin with and secondly, it's not an either/or choice.

Neil deGrasse Tyson summed this up very well when people kept asking him "Oh so what's it like being the represenative of black people as the black science guy you black man who is pushing boundires of race because you are black."

It's not helping.

emblem boy posted...

and I have no response for the other examples right now because I don't have the stats. I don't think he made racial remakes bi weekly, and I can't search through all his speeches right now for his mentions of other minority groups, so I can't really comment on those.

It's not so much about minority groups.

It's just pointing out that he made a big big deal about "Black and White" yet barely mentioned anyone or anything that wasnt black or white.

Which instantly tells you something about division.

Chinese-Americans and Anglo-Americans arent feeling the same tension that is being felt by African Amerians and Anglo Americans right now. Nor are they sharing the same depressing statistics of education and crime, nor are they calling for segregation.

I was about to say there's no "Chinese lives matter" group but on second thought there almost certainally is But there is no CLM faction of importance or note

This all should tell you something about "race relations"over the past decade

See from what I remember from his speeches, he did not only focus on black or white people. So again, I have no real response for that. We're obviously remembering different things.

What should the fact that the xrace lives matter group for other groups is small and not prominent tell me?
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emblem boy posted...

What should the fact that the xrace lives matter group for other groups is small and not prominent tell me?

That there is a sense of division and seperation and identity between "The black people" and "the white people" that is not shared between other "races"

And that intentionally or not, the Obama prediency has caused that to grow. To the extent that we now in the 21st century have the return of American Nazis in the street, race riots and people promoting segregation.

In this very topic the people claiming to be the non-racist progressives ran to the table screaming about the evil white men.
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You have no idea how important it was for lil black kids to see Obama address them. You never will understand the significance a Black President acknowledging he's been a victim of racism and understands them. White people don't care. They could never understand the significance of Obama being elected twice .They can never understand what it's like to have a President that understands you and knows your needs.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

emblem boy posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

There is more to life than "Ignore everything" and "Make massive massive divides and splits and big deals about specific things."

And I don't get this statement. Are you saying it's not a simple right and wrong issue? If so, of course I agree there's grey areas

The subejct is racial tension, race relations and what cause them to progress or regress.

I don't think there is such a thing as a right or wrong answer.

But for the record I was saying that it isn't black or white as you implied it (no pun intended)

I say it helped promote a divide when you stand on a stage in front of thousands with millions watching worldwide on screens and say "People don't like me because I am black!"


And you say "Well the alternative is to ignore everything!"

And I reject that those are the only two options, regardless of which option is the "right" one.

Going back to JFK he never ignored his faith, he was proud of it. So much so that it annoyed his campaigners who wanted him to hide it.

But he also never did speeches about how people hated him because he was Catholic, even though it's probably true. Because they don't do anything apart from draw lines and build walls.

Now in the 21st century hardly anyone hates Catholics to the extent that when Atheists attack them for their global protection of child rapists people get angry at the Atheists for bringing it up not the Cathoics for defending and allowing it.

What does that tell you about hatred disolving? and JFK had a hand in that.

I mean, is your point that religious opinions have changed in the last what, 6 decades? Are you owing that to JFK not making speeches about his religion?
Couldn't some argue that it might be better to bring to the spotlight issues that exist.

Again, I'm not saying it's either do this or do that. The choices aren't to talk about it, or ignore it. My only point is that I don't necessarily see it as a negative to bring issues to the spotlight

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UnfairRepresent posted...

emblem boy posted...

What should the fact that the xrace lives matter group for other groups is small and not prominent tell me?

That there is a sense of division and seperation and identity between "The black people" and "the white people" that is not shared between other "races"

And that intentionally or not, the Obama prediency has caused that to grow. To the extent that we now in the 21st century have the return of American Nazis in the street, race riots and people promoting segregation.

In this very topic the people claiming to be the non-racist progressives ran to the table screaming about the evil white men.

SO it's Obamas fault Neo-Nazis are taking rise?It's Obama's fault people are racist? Fuck you
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CurzonDax posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

emblem boy posted...

What should the fact that the xrace lives matter group for other groups is small and not prominent tell me?

That there is a sense of division and seperation and identity between "The black people" and "the white people" that is not shared between other "races"

And that intentionally or not, the Obama prediency has caused that to grow. To the extent that we now in the 21st century have the return of American Nazis in the street, race riots and people promoting segregation.

In this very topic the people claiming to be the non-racist progressives ran to the table screaming about the evil white men.

SO it's Obamas fault Neo-Nazis are taking rise?It's Obama's fault people are racist? Fuck you

Interesting that you would have such an angry response to something like that, but seem to have no issue with the OP's insinuation that Trump is at fault instead.

Curious.
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CurzonDax posted...

You have no idea how important it was for lil black kids to see Obama address them. You never will understand the significance a Black President acknowledging he's been a victim of racism and understands them. White people don't care. They could never understand the significance of Obama being elected twice .They can never understand what it's like to have a President that understands you and knows your needs.

Probably not because I don't indentify myself as different and superior to others.

My successes and failures are of my own actions, I don't create myself a tribe and vicariously live through its champions.

I don't view that as a negative though.



emblem boy posted...

I mean, is your point that religious opinions have changed in the last what, 6 decades? Are you owing that to JFK not making speeches about his religion?

No it's not that simple.

I'm just trying to demonstrate how actions affect attitudes and perceptions.

JFK could have made religious divides and opinions a lot stronger had he acted differently. His actions helped shape attitudes and views. Namely that being Catholic actually wasn't a big deal or that relevant to identity.

Obama on the other hand promoted that race is a big deal and very relevant to identity. And you see the type of attitudes that grow in response to that.

I'm trying to explain a point to you.

Again, I'm not saying it's either do this or do that. The choices are to talk about it, or ignore it. My only point is that I don't necessarily see it as a negative to bring issues to the spotlight

"Talk about it" is very board though

Saying "I want to kill that girl" and "I want to watch Popeye with that girl" is talking about that girl.

Feel like that is a non statement.

CurzonDax posted...

SO it's Obamas fault Neo-Nazis are taking rise?It's Obama's fault people are racist?

People are ultimately responsible for their own actions. Obama just promoted divison which lead to such idealogies being explored rather than surpassed.

Fuck you

You're being hysterical.
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Is engaging directly with a problem a step back from pretending it doesn't exist?
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The Deadpool posted...

Is engaging directly with a problem a step back from pretending it doesn't exist?

Well the Nazi who killed someone last weekend certainally had that logic.
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Probably not because I don't indentify myself as different and superior to others.

My successes and failures are of my own actions, I don't create myself a tribe and vicariously live through its champions.

I don't view that as a negative though.


You gotta try very hard to not get it this much
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UnfairRepresent posted...

The Deadpool posted...

Is engaging directly with a problem a step back from pretending it doesn't exist?

Well the Nazi who killed someone last weekend certainally had that logic.

What does that have to do with my question?
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Trump never did, anti-trumpers did by making shit up

UnfairRepresent posted...

"Talk about it" is very board though

Saying "I want to kill that girl" and "I want to watch Popeye with that girl" is talking about that girl.

Feel like that is a non statement.

That should have said Aren't, not are
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The Deadpool posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

The Deadpool posted...

Is engaging directly with a problem a step back from pretending it doesn't exist?

Well the Nazi who killed someone last weekend certainally had that logic.

What does that have to do with my question?

That your question it's vague nonsense intentionally designed to evade the point.

"Engage directly with a problem" can mean close to literally anything. Such as "Those lefties are ruining this country let's run them over." to "i'm going to go pick up litter to help the enviroment"
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UnfairRepresent posted...

The Deadpool posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

The Deadpool posted...

Is engaging directly with a problem a step back from pretending it doesn't exist?

Well the Nazi who killed someone last weekend certainally had that logic.

What does that have to do with my question?

That your question it's vague nonsense intentionally designed to evade the point.

"Engage directly with a problem" can mean close to literally anything.

You're blaming the current neo Nazi rise on Obama pointing out he has suffered racism.

Your argument is that exposing this reality helped create a rift between racist and people suffering from racism.

I ask, is that truly a step backwards? Were things less racist before Obama, or was the racism just less obvious?
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The Deadpool posted...

You're blaming the current neo Nazi rise on Obama pointing out he has suffered racism.

You're claiming Jamie Lee Curtis designed nukes for North Korea.


I can make up random shit too.

Your argument is that exposing this reality helped create a rift between racist and people suffering from racism.

Not quite. One of several ideas raised is that making a massive deal about how important race is and how if you're a different race you're different to another race, especially black people and white people, helped create a divide and seperation between people of different races. Especially black and white people.

The fact the opening response of the topic was people angrly hating on the evil white man demonstrated that instantly.

No idea of central shared humanity and lack of a difference between people is embraced. Instead, it's our group and their group and the groups don't get on.

I ask, is that truly a step backwards?

In the sense that it is in line of the thinking from 1900s to 1960s? Yes.

Were things less racist before Obama, or was the racism just less obvious?

Literal Nazi parades in the streets.
Literal race riots.
Literal calls for segregation.

I'm a big subjective and gray guy, but this is pretty clear cut.

I'd love to hear your argument for 2005 being more racist though.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Literal Nazi parades in the streets.
Literal race riots.
Literal calls for segregation.

Literally not during Obama's Presidency...

Obama made the racists feel weakened. Like their voices weren't being heard. Like their opinions didn't matter.

They coalesced. They got some voter suppression through, they found themselves a nice candidate, and now under Trump they feel empowered again.

You can say that's a result of them feeling weak, but is making racists feel weak a bad thing?

UnfairRepresent posted...

One of several ideas raised is that making a massive deal about how important race

Again, is open dialogue about the racial problems we have WORSE than pretending we just don't have any racial problems?
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The Deadpool posted...

Obama made the racists feel weakened. Like their voices weren't being heard. Like their opinions didn't matter.

Which made them louder, more widespreader, more passionate and grow in number.

The Deadpool posted...

You can say that's a result of them feeling weak, but is making racists feel weak a bad thing?

I don't think life is that simple.

However it did regress the attitudes towards race and race-relations especially Black and White race relations back in time.

The Deadpool posted...

Again, is open dialogue about the racial problems we have WORSE than pretending we just don't have any racial problems?

Potentially possibly.

But once again I reject the black and white(no pun intended)

I say it helped promote a divide when you stand on a stage in front of thousands with millions watching worldwide on screens and say "People don't like me because I am black!"


And you say "Well the alternative is to ignore everything!"

And I reject that those are the only two options, regardless of which option is the "right" one.

Going back to JFK he never ignored his faith, he was proud of it. So much so that it annoyed his campaigners who wanted him to hide it.

But he also never did speeches about how people hated him because he was Catholic, even though it's probably true. Because they don't do anything apart from draw lines and build walls.

Now in the 21st century hardly anyone hates Catholics to the extent that when Atheists attack them for their global protection of child rapists people get angry at the Atheists for bringing it up not the Cathoics for defending and allowing it.

What does that tell you about hatred disolving? and JFK had a hand in that
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Which made them louder, more widespreader, more passionate and grow in number.

Louder, yes. Grow in number? Seems unlikely.

UnfairRepresent posted...

However it did regress

Again, how? Before racist shit happened and people didn't talk about it. Now it happens and people talk about it.

How is the latter a step back?

UnfairRepresent posted...

Potentially possibly.

You are incorrect. Problems can't be solved until they are identified. The biggest leap forwards in racial relations all happened during a time period when we talked about it the most. Dialogue always helps.
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Obama set back race relations by simply existing and causing white supremacist groups to see a resurgence in recruitment because well, what kind of white supremacist would be fine with a black man as leader of the country?

All the people who couldn't find anything good about Obama and would only bitch about him, no matter how wrong and/or uninformed they were, were likely closet racists who refused to give credit to a black man. That isn't to say that everybody who criticized Obama or every criticism of him was wrong, flawed, racist or whatever, but rather that the clear pattern of people who would do it was not a matter of isolated incidents.

Simply put, Obama being HNIC is how race relations got set back. Literally people getting worried that a black leader had it out for white people, so they would see anything he does as an attack on them, like a windmill and Don Quixote. Very quixotic, but point is, Obama didn't make people become racist, that's bullshit and it's bullshit to have ever suggested that.

But I mean, white America's support for BLM (in terms of poll numbers) says it all. A) omg, why aren't they saying our lives matter too? B) omg, this has to be a myth about cops killing black people and C) omg they're attacking white people by questioning the integrity of cops!

That's basically why people suggest he's responsible. He isn't. You are.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Webmaster4531 posted...

I'm not convinced color blindness is a good thing.

And boom.

This is what the duration of the Obama presidency has caused millions to believe.

The same attitude of the 1900s-1960s

In other words, race relations have regressed.

Although they would have phrased it in different wording obviously

Steven Colbert did color blindness jokes way before Obama.

Since everyone is still replying to this troll...

@UnfairRepresent
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The Deadpool posted...

Louder, yes. Grow in number? Seems unlikely.

Yet here we are

Again, how? Before racist shit happened and people didn't talk about it. Now it happens and people talk about it.

What are you on about? People spoke about racist shit for the past 70 years.

Yet now the attitues of the 1940s are back today. That's a step back.

You are incorrect.

Neat that you have the answers to the world's problems,

Sucks that you're failing to solve them tho

Problems can't be solved until they are identified. The biggest leap forwards in racial relations all happened during a time period when we talked about it the most. Dialogue always helps.

This is stupid logic. Your using intentional vagueness and wide strokes to cover for not actually making a point.

"Obama causing big divides and enforcing the importance of race and how different people are based on race was actually a leap forward because dialogue helps." is a non-sequtiur.

Conflating "Ignoring is bad." with "Doing anything whatsoever is helpful." is just being childish.

Kineth posted...

Simply put, Obama being HNIC is how race relations got set back. Literally people getting worried that a black leader had it out for white people, so they would see anything he does as an attack on them, like a windmill and Don Quixote. Very quixotic, but point is, Obama didn't make people become racist, that's bullshit and it's bullshit to have ever suggested that.

Yet this never occured among the anti-Catholics under JFK.

In fact bigoted hatred of Catholics decreased during and following his rule.

Interesting that.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Obama causing big divides and enforcing the importance of race and how different people are based on race was actually a leap forward because dialogue helps." is a non-sequtiur.

Let me simplify this for you:

"Obama didn't cause a big divide, he simply shone a light on the existing divide."
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The Deadpool posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Obama causing big divides and enforcing the importance of race and how different people are based on race was actually a leap forward because dialogue helps." is a non-sequtiur.

Let me simplify this for you:

"Obama didn't cause a big divide, he simply shone a light on the existing divide."

I don't think the evidence supports that simplistic conclusion.

And even if you choose to emotionally believe it, that doesn't change the point that his presidency resulted in a regression of racial attitudes

Going "Well everyone secretly were nazis and people secreltly wanted segregation back and secretly were planning spontanious race riots. It was just Obama drawing attention to the divison that mae them all do it." sounds like Excuse making of the 9th degree to me. Even if you do choose to believe it, which I do not think you actually do
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UnfairRepresent posted...

I don't think the evidence supports that simplistic conclusion.

You've been going by anecdotal evidence. Occam's razor is a valid conclusion and you seem to be playing up your gimmick.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

I don't think the evidence supports that simplistic conclusion.

As opposed to "Obama made people into racists by saying people were racists"?

I mean the 60s had infinitely more people of color being hit by fire hoses by the police than the 40s. But few people would argue that race relations were made worse by the civil rights movement...

I mean, maybe you would?
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Webmaster4531 posted...

You've been going by anecdotal evidence.

Cool you have statistics that back up people being more racist, more race riots, more Nazi parades, more pushing of segregation and more race based factions from 2006?

Please share it with us


And he was never seen again

The Deadpool posted...

As opposed to "Obama made people into racists by saying people were racists"?

Nobody has said that though.

This is one of the many reasons it's obvious you have no actual argument. When you know you're wrong, you just lie about everyone else is saying
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Webmaster4531 posted...

You've been going by anecdotal evidence.

Cool you have statistics that back up people being more racist, more race riots, more Nazi parades, more pushing of segregation and more race based factions from 2006?

Please share it with us


And he was never seen again

Learn what hypocrisy means and stop being a hypocrite.
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Yeah I didn't think you could
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Obama did make race relations worse. Things were a lot better before he started taking sides in racial issues. He's the one who invited blm to the whitehouse and endorsed them, remember.

He also sided with blm in the blm vs cops thing.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Yeah I didn't think you could

Why should I do something you can't do either?
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Because you're the one making the claim that "anecdotal" evidence is invalid while literally simutaniously handwaving the literal Nazi American parade that ocured last weekend.

Burden is on you to provide alternative facts if you hate the existing facts so much that you reject them
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--kresnik-- posted...

Obama did make race relations worse. Things were a lot better before he started taking sides in racial issues. He's the one who invited blm to the whitehouse and endorsed them, remember.

Really? How was things better before him?
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Because you're the one making the claim that anecdotal evidence is invalid

That's basic science.
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Bishop9800 posted...

--kresnik-- posted...

Obama did make race relations worse. Things were a lot better before he started taking sides in racial issues. He's the one who invited blm to the whitehouse and endorsed them, remember.

Really? How was things better before him?

Less race riots.
No push for segregation.
No BLM faction.
No Nazi Parades in America since the 1930s
And while violent black crime has decreased it has decreased at significantly lower rate than all other violent crime

Tensions are high. Americans especially white and black men identify more with their skin color than the previous generation ever did.

In 2004 if a guy shot a guy who was trying to murder him. Nobody would defend the aggressor. Now what you defend for millions of people is dependant on what the race of each person was.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Bishop9800 posted...

--kresnik-- posted...

Obama did make race relations worse. Things were a lot better before he started taking sides in racial issues. He's the one who invited blm to the whitehouse and endorsed them, remember.

Really? How was things better before him?

Less race riots.
No push for segregation.
No BLM faction.
No Nazi Parades in America since the 1930s
And while violent black crime has decreased it has decreased at significantly lower rate than all other violent crime

Tensions are high. Americans especially white and black men identify more with their skin color than the previous generation ever did.

In 2004 if a guy shot a guy who was trying to murder him. Nobody would defend the aggressor. Now what you defend for millions of people is dependant on what the race of each person was.

And Obama is the cause of this?
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Nobody has said that though.

You said Obama made race relations worse and used thenincreased membership of the KKK and Neo Nazi groups as "proof", rejecting the idea that the racism was always there and just not overt.

So if Obama didn't create racists and the racists weren't always there, where did these new racists come from?
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Why are people pretending that Nazi's in America are a recent problem? These guys didn't decide to be racist shitheads in the last 10 years. They've been around for a long time.

Their numbers went down after they blew up a Government building in the 90's. That wasn't even that long ago. Now they're finding a voice again.

Social media has given these guys way more exposure and connections than anything Obama has done.
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Bishop9800 posted...

And Obama is the cause of this?

You just switched horses.

Who is to blame is speculation. But it happened under Obama's leadership and he failed to prevent it.

Darmik posted...

You said Obama made race relations worse and used thenincreased membership of the KKK and Neo Nazi groups as "proof",.

No I didn't

Darmik posted...

Why are people pretending that Nazi's in America are a recent problem?

Because they just this weekend had a public parae with literal nazi flags and then killed a guy

Considering you have to go to the 90s to even find anything comparable, that shows why it's a recent problem.

Several users here weren't even alive in the 90s
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Who is to blame is speculation. But it happened under Obama's leadership and he failed to prevent it.

So it's his fault that the racist came out during is time?
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