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kevwaffles 08/15/17 5:11:36 PM #251: |
No, specific and personal threats of violence are sort of the main thing that counts. It's just that it's not necessarily a defense for the guy that fights back. Both will be arrested.
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Corrik 08/15/17 5:12:20 PM #252: |
BowserCuffs posted...
Corrik, do you understand what "fighting words" are? If someone calls my fiance a whore, and I punch them. I am getting charged with simple to aggravated assault depending on the circumstances. Can I maybe plea that down to disorderly and counter charge harrassment of some sort? Possibly. But, I also could have just ignored it and decided it wasn't worth my time. My cousin has done his fair share of bouts in jail because he has not learned that choice exists and how to make the right one. Hell, one of my good friends did a year for aggravated assault because he threw one punch during a deck hockey game after a repeated argument and shady crosschecking from the opposing player. And, you are arguing you should just be able to go up to someone and cold sock someone because they are saying things you do not like and there be no consequence for it? Then why have a legal system.. the law is the law. It is not supposed to take sides politically. A Nazi citizen has as many rights as a Nun who raises 34 foster children. Neither is above that law. Is one a much better person. Absofuckinglutely. But, it does not give you the right to violence against people who have despicable thoughts and justify it. Violence is violence. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik 08/15/17 5:14:55 PM #253: |
Kinglicious posted...
Corrik posted...Though I would recommend calling the cops first and not doing anything too crazy beforehand. This is why this should never have been allowed to happen in the first place. And, if by some stupid ass reason you are gonna let that rally happen. You need to have the counter protest cordoned off to its own area somewhere reasonably away from it. How the hell you gonna put two fucking opposing groups face to face and expect shit not to escalate. Complete failure and lack of common sense. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 08/15/17 5:16:32 PM #254: |
Corrik posted...
If someone calls my fiance a whore, and I punch them. I am getting charged with simple to aggravated assault depending on the circumstances. What if that person says "I want to kill your children" --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mr Lasastryke 08/15/17 5:17:26 PM #255: |
i think the tone of what trump said was more problematic than anything, really.
like, he makes it sound like the left was somehow WORSE than the right. "both sides sucked, but the left was protesting without a permit! now THAT'S what we should be discussing!" --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik 08/15/17 5:17:55 PM #256: |
What I find really debatable also is the calling into work places of these ralliers and work firing them.
I am really on the fence on whether I agree or not with it. I think I kind of agree with it in jobs with at will employment I suppose. It seems very slippery though. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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lordloki12 08/15/17 5:18:31 PM #257: |
Corrik posted...
lordloki12 posted...Corrik posted...That American guy in Germany who got punched for doing Nazi Salutes in a bar. Did he deserve it? Probably. Sounds like a real douchebag. Does the guy who did it deserve to be arrested and booked for the crime? Yes. It is not that guys discretion to punch someone. He could have called the cops on the guy and had it taken care of. Did not have the right to take that into his own hands. I'm just asking if you would allow a group of people to talk as freely as they wan't while they recruit people to exterminate you and your family? Would you ignore them and walk away like in your brawling days analogy or would you try to convince the people around you that these people who want you dead are wrong? We already know the government will let them speak as much as they want in order to protect the first amendment. So are you going to ignore them until they kill you or maybe start a counter protest? If it were me I might hope for the counter protest. --- [ 1 ] [ 10 ] [ 7 ] [ 12 ] [ 9 ] [ 19 ] [ 5 ] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Not_an_Owl 08/15/17 5:18:57 PM #258: |
Corrik posted...
What I find really debatable also is the calling into work places of these ralliers and work firing them. If I owned a business I would not want to be known as a business that employs nazis. Really bad public relations, you know? --- Besides, marijuana is far more harmful than steroids. - BlitzBomb I headbang to Bruckner. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 08/15/17 5:19:35 PM #259: |
Corrik posted...
What I find really debatable also is the calling into work places of these ralliers and work firing them. I said it in one of these topics, but I'm cool with it because the whole point of these rallies is white pride. They are loud and proud about who they are and what they're fighting for. So they should be proud enough that it's okay if their boss knows! --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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lordloki12 08/15/17 5:20:05 PM #260: |
Kinglicious posted...
ChaosTonyV4 posted...And calling "they didn't get the proper permit for their counter protest" "bad stuff" in the same paragraph You were arguing that the people run down with a car were not innocent because they didnt go through the proper channels and had no business being in the street. --- [ 1 ] [ 10 ] [ 7 ] [ 12 ] [ 9 ] [ 19 ] [ 5 ] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik 08/15/17 5:20:19 PM #261: |
Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...If someone calls my fiance a whore, and I punch them. I am getting charged with simple to aggravated assault depending on the circumstances. It is gonna turn out the same way except a I am going to kill your children comment possibly falls under a terroristic threat. That is an exact situation you should want the cops called right away. That shit on file. Because if you end up shooting that dude at your house one day, that is evidence pointing towards self-defense. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik 08/15/17 5:21:27 PM #262: |
lordloki12 posted...
Corrik posted...lordloki12 posted...Corrik posted...That American guy in Germany who got punched for doing Nazi Salutes in a bar. Did he deserve it? Probably. Sounds like a real douchebag. Does the guy who did it deserve to be arrested and booked for the crime? Yes. It is not that guys discretion to punch someone. He could have called the cops on the guy and had it taken care of. Did not have the right to take that into his own hands. If you are recruiting people to kill people, you are a terrorist organization. That should be dealt with by enforcement and the government. Cut and dry. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LapisLazuli 08/15/17 5:21:35 PM #263: |
lordloki12 posted...
Kinglicious posted...ChaosTonyV4 posted...And calling "they didn't get the proper permit for their counter protest" "bad stuff" in the same paragraph Bruh you know he's going to deny tha he said that, why even try? --- **** Netflix ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kinglicious 08/15/17 5:21:56 PM #264: |
Corrik posted...
How the hell you gonna put two fucking opposing groups face to face and expect shit not to escalate They did expect it. They have been doing this repeatedly for months, things have been escalating. And they will soon again too, I expect people on both sides to start dying now that we've crossed that threshold. Mayors and chiefs of police have simply told the police to not get involved. Some sentiments are straight up "let them kill each other," others are just not wanting to risk it. Like you remember the tweet saying they've got the national guard VA there? Yeah, they were used about as much as I expected. --- The King Wang. Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 08/15/17 5:22:52 PM #265: |
Corrik posted...
And I think Nazi ideologies are ideologically similar threats When they start chanting about exterminating races in the streets WITH WEAPONS, they have officially crossed the line from free speech to threat IMO. And yeah, alert the cops. But what if the cops don't help? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MoogleKupo141 08/15/17 5:23:13 PM #266: |
Corrik posted...
What I find really debatable also is the calling into work places of these ralliers and work firing them. these people are going out in public showing up their nazitude. They have no expectation of privacy or anything, so people should totally let their employers know. --- For your BK_Sheikah00. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kinglicious 08/15/17 5:24:00 PM #267: |
lordloki12 posted...
Did you also miss the part where I explicitly said I was wrong there and that those people were totally innocent? --- The King Wang. Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik 08/15/17 5:24:12 PM #268: |
Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...What I find really debatable also is the calling into work places of these ralliers and work firing them. I kind of agree. However, on the other hand, what if this person has never let his personal views enter into his professional demeanor, was a great worker, and never was an issue at work? It is really debatable to me. I think I agree just as I agree a workplace who doesn't hire felons should be able to fire a worker who is convicted of a felony outside of work. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik 08/15/17 5:25:10 PM #269: |
Kinglicious posted...
Corrik posted...How the hell you gonna put two fucking opposing groups face to face and expect shit not to escalate The the mayor made a poor choice. You can't just let that happen. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 08/15/17 5:25:43 PM #270: |
Corrik posted...
Jakyl25 posted...Corrik posted...What I find really debatable also is the calling into work places of these ralliers and work firing them. Well the workplace can always choose NOT to fire him if they think he's a great enough worker regardless --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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transience 08/15/17 5:25:48 PM #271: |
man, trump
man --- xyzzy ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 08/15/17 5:26:56 PM #272: |
transience posted...
man, trump Manchild --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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transience 08/15/17 5:28:33 PM #273: |
this is the first time I can remember being scared to open twitter
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Jakyl25 08/15/17 5:31:29 PM #274: |
https://twitter.com/andrewkirell/status/897568148857204739
Fox News panelist keeping their humanity alive, thank goodness. If this is the immediate response from Fox I commend them --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChaosTonyV4 08/15/17 5:33:41 PM #276: |
Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/andrewkirell/status/897568148857204739 Actual response: "This is her on air application to CNN and MSNBC!" --- Phantom Dust. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChaosTonyV4 08/15/17 5:34:14 PM #277: |
LapisLazuli posted...
I think it's to the point now where if someone took Trump out I'd openly call them a hero. Gross dude. I hate Trump but this is in terrible taste. --- Phantom Dust. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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transience 08/15/17 5:34:52 PM #278: |
LTM has been the worst in this topic for a good while.
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lordloki12 08/15/17 5:36:18 PM #279: |
Kinglicious posted...
lordloki12 posted... Then you shouldnt be trying to tell ChaosTony you never posted about permits because that was damn near the top of the list when you wanted to take blame off the killer and dump it on the victim. --- [ 1 ] [ 10 ] [ 7 ] [ 12 ] [ 9 ] [ 19 ] [ 5 ] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 08/15/17 5:36:27 PM #280: |
Please no fucking calls for assassination in here.
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Corrik 08/15/17 5:36:34 PM #281: |
LapisLazuli posted...
I think it's to the point now where if someone took Trump out I'd openly call them a hero. You have a very concerning viewpoint. Extremely polarized and almost radicalized. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Not_an_Owl 08/15/17 5:36:50 PM #282: |
LapisLazuli posted...
I think it's to the point now where if someone took Trump out I'd openly call them a hero. This is a really bad take. --- Besides, marijuana is far more harmful than steroids. - BlitzBomb I headbang to Bruckner. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mr Lasastryke 08/15/17 5:40:11 PM #283: |
ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Gross dude. I hate Trump but this is in terrible taste. would you be grossed out by someone saying this about hitler in the thirties? i don't want trump to be killed and i'm not saying he's hitler, but when he's still whining that "one side was protesting without a permit" when a white supremacist just killed someone i can kinda understand LTM's sentiment. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LapisLazuli 08/15/17 5:41:19 PM #284: |
Not saying I'd call for it. Saying I wouldn't shed tiers.
I'm just so tired of this. --- **** Netflix ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BowserCuffs 08/15/17 5:41:24 PM #285: |
"Let the government handle it" "That's the government's job"
Isn't the most common complaint among conservatives that people expect the government to handle everything? Don't conservatives wish we could go back to an era where the government handled the government and people handled people? Well guess what. This is us granting your wish by doing just what you want and taking matters into our own hands. And to no one's surprise, you don't like it because it's being turned against you. Tough. You mess with the bull, you get the horns. --- Disagreeing with your criticism doesn't make me a fanboy; disagreeing with your praise doesn't make me a hater. Fighting over this is self-destructive. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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lordloki12 08/15/17 5:41:37 PM #286: |
Corrik posted...
lordloki12 posted...Corrik posted...lordloki12 posted...Corrik posted...That American guy in Germany who got punched for doing Nazi Salutes in a bar. Did he deserve it? Probably. Sounds like a real douchebag. Does the guy who did it deserve to be arrested and booked for the crime? Yes. It is not that guys discretion to punch someone. He could have called the cops on the guy and had it taken care of. Did not have the right to take that into his own hands. Yet the government still allows nazis and white supremacists to openly recruit. But since the government doesn't care we should just ignore them and walk away right? --- [ 1 ] [ 10 ] [ 7 ] [ 12 ] [ 9 ] [ 19 ] [ 5 ] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HaRRicH 08/15/17 5:41:59 PM #287: |
LapisLazuli posted...
I think it's to the point now where if someone took Trump out I'd openly call them a hero. That would be a tragedy for many reasons. Please don't encourage this. --- Posted using GameFlux Get it now for Android from Google Play! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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transience 08/15/17 5:42:14 PM #288: |
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Jakyl25 08/15/17 5:42:57 PM #289: |
Mr Lasastryke posted...
ChaosTonyV4 posted...Gross dude. I hate Trump but this is in terrible taste. That's why he needs to be removed from office now before he GETS there. You shouldn't go back in time to kill baby Hitler either, Jeb --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LapisLazuli 08/15/17 5:43:14 PM #290: |
Mr Lasastryke posted...
ChaosTonyV4 posted...Gross dude. I hate Trump but this is in terrible taste. He's just...such an awful human being. When I see him, I see a man who would just LOVE if he could turn America into his own personal North Korea. --- **** Netflix ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kenri 08/15/17 5:44:19 PM #291: |
LapisLazuli posted...
I think it's to the point now where if someone took Trump out I'd openly call them a hero. Please think more carefully before calling for the inauguration of President Pence. --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FFDragon 08/15/17 5:44:27 PM #292: |
transience posted...
https://twitter.com/anniekarni/status/897571021024264193 who was arguing with me the other day about whether trump sees these guys as his base? --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 08/15/17 5:44:36 PM #293: |
transience posted...
https://twitter.com/anniekarni/status/897571021024264193 People will write that off as just a misspoken error, but the fact his subconscious frames it that way says a lot. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik 08/15/17 5:44:57 PM #294: |
lordloki12 posted...
Corrik posted...lordloki12 posted...Corrik posted...lordloki12 posted...Corrik posted...That American guy in Germany who got punched for doing Nazi Salutes in a bar. Did he deserve it? Probably. Sounds like a real douchebag. Does the guy who did it deserve to be arrested and booked for the crime? Yes. It is not that guys discretion to punch someone. He could have called the cops on the guy and had it taken care of. Did not have the right to take that into his own hands. They are not openly recruiting them to kill people as far as I know. Openly. They are recruiting people to believe in their ideology and support their causes. I can't remember the last time I heard of Nazis going around race killing or such. (Inbsomeoneslinkssomethingandcallsmeoblivious) --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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transience 08/15/17 5:45:13 PM #295: |
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BowserCuffs 08/15/17 5:45:30 PM #296: |
I think Trump's more likely to be assassinated by his cholesterol than any person out there.
I also know that no matter how Trump dies, the trumpists will develop a conspiracy theory that someone poisoned him and will be out in full force on a witch hunt, and InfoWars will be leading that witch hunt. transience posted... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_cTDZzUAAEQ3Mr.jpg It looks like a rectangle with legs that tripped, lol. --- Disagreeing with your criticism doesn't make me a fanboy; disagreeing with your praise doesn't make me a hater. Fighting over this is self-destructive. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LapisLazuli 08/15/17 5:45:44 PM #297: |
Kenri posted...
LapisLazuli posted...I think it's to the point now where if someone took Trump out I'd openly call them a hero. Aw shit, good point. Hell, Pence might be the one who did it! Notice how he's doing his absolute damndest to try and make people forget he exists. --- **** Netflix ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 08/15/17 5:45:45 PM #298: |
Kenri posted...
LapisLazuli posted...I think it's to the point now where if someone took Trump out I'd openly call them a hero. Are you still, as low as things have gotten, still on the Trump > Pence wagon? Not criticising, just surprised --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 08/15/17 5:46:23 PM #299: |
Corrik posted...
They are recruiting people to believe in their ideology and support their causes. Their cause is race killing --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SupremeZero 08/15/17 5:46:30 PM #300: |
LapisLazuli posted...
Kenri posted...LapisLazuli posted...I think it's to the point now where if someone took Trump out I'd openly call them a hero. But if he succeeds, no one will remember to make him president! --- There's always hope for better things in life. But you can't let anything, friend, lover,God himself,be your hope. You have to be your own hope ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LapisLazuli 08/15/17 5:47:56 PM #301: |
Well Paul Ryan sure as hell ain't getting it. Who'se 4th in line?
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