Current Events > Do not let Trump normalize his equalization of both sides

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The alt right (nazis) and antifa are NOT opposite sides of the same coin. Anyone who believe this are just partisan apologists

Why do you get to say that? That's your opinion.
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They are both represented equally under the law and are both able to hold protests. The Alt right/white nationalist/nazi/kkk/whatever group you want to call it had a permit to be there and hold an event. They had a right to be there protected under our constitution.

The Antifa/BLM did not have a permit to stage a counter protest and showed up with clubs, mace, spray cans converted into mini flamethrowers and whatever other weapons. The other side had weapons too.

Both sides expected a clash and a clash did occur. For people to complain that Trump called out both sides instead of just one is intellectually bankrupt.
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Capn Circus posted...

They are both represented equally under the law and are both able to hold protests. The Alt right/white nationalist/nazi/kkk/whatever group you want to call it had a permit to be there and hold an event. They had a right to be there protected under our constitution.

The Antifa/BLM did not have a permit to stage a counter protest and showed up with clubs, mace, spray cans converted into mini flamethrowers and whatever other weapons. The other side had weapons too.

Both sides expected a clash and a clash did occur. For people to complain that Trump called out both sides instead of just one is intellectually bankrupt.

Om nom nom
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The republicans always try to deflect blame always they never admit fault
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Rights are like priveleges. If abused they can be removed at any time.
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It doesn't matter if the neo-Nazi and alt-right kill 1,000 and the so called "alt-left" still kill zero. Republicans will still make this false equivalence.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

Rights are like priveleges. If abused they can be removed at any time.

And the driver's rights are gone. Investigators are also hunting down instigators and when they are arrested they will need to face justice.
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"They're both assholes" doesn't necessarily mean "they're both equally assholish".
Try to remember that.

twitterfriends posted...

It doesn't matter if the neo-Nazi and alt-right kill 1,000 and the so called "alt-left" still kill zero. Republicans will still make this false equivalence.

To their credit many important, hard-line Republicans came down very hard on the White Nationalists this weekend. It was really only the executive office that was playing the many sides angle.
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Number39 posted...

The Nazis are obviously wrong

But the fucking tumblrina SJWs need to stop saying shit that doesn't make them look like victims like "kill all white men" so then the world can be like

"why do they want these people dead? they just want to live in peace"

NOTE: NOT DEFENDING NAZIS FUCK NAZIS FUCK THE KKK FUCK WHITE SUPREMACY

but there's an art to war, the civil rights movement did it best. Minorities literally caused 0 problems and were being lynched for no reason, therefore, that's why it succeeded

But if antifa doesn't let go of their fucking ego they're not going to win this ideological war

Yeah but none of these tumblr sjw shitheads actually exist in real life outside of the internet. They can only exist in their natural habitat which is on bullshit like tumbler. They are a joke.
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Number39 posted...

NOTE: NOT DEFENDING NAZIS FUCK NAZIS FUCK THE KKK FUCK WHITE SUPREMACY

Obligatory "fuck nazis!" will rapidly become a meaningless platitude, if "y u no say 'fuck nazis'?" continues.

The sooner both parties destroy eachother, the better.

Useful idiots convinced that their side cannot possibly be just as bad as the other are the reason we have arrived where we are today. Let them tear each other apart. This division has been intentionally fostered by the politicians and their paymasters on both sides as a tool to keep them comfortably in power.

I eagerly hope the fire they started is finally growing beyond their control and consumes them all.
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Capn Circus posted...

They are both represented equally under the law and are both able to hold protests. The Alt right/white nationalist/nazi/kkk/whatever group you want to call it had a permit to be there and hold an event. They had a right to be there protected under our constitution.

The Antifa/BLM did not have a permit to stage a counter protest and showed up with clubs, mace, spray cans converted into mini flamethrowers and whatever other weapons. The other side had weapons too.

Both sides expected a clash and a clash did occur. For people to complain that Trump called out both sides instead of just one is intellectually bankrupt.

Fucking this. The police got stretched thin because these BLM/Antifa were illegally counter-protesting, and with weapons mind you. They had no right to be there and furthermore they knew they would be provoke violence, but they came anyway, and with weapons.

The only reason Nazis seem more abhorrent than the other side is because the culture of white supremacy has been around long enough for the world to realize how vile it really is. Not to mention they been around for centuries, so their organizations are more structured. BLM/Antifa and other extreme leftist organizations that are permissive of violence to further their agenda are only becoming relevant. But don't be mistaken, these are hate groups, only their hate isn't against race, ethnicity, or gender, their hatred is aimed at ideas antithetical to theirs. And they will resort to violence if need be to make sure their idea of the world is furthered. If these groups are allowed gain traction then they will invariably reach the power and status of what these Nazis and white supremacy groups have in the US.

That is why I'm glad Trump condemned both sides
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Questionmarktarius posted...

"They're both assholes" doesn't necessarily mean "they're both equally assholish".
Try to remember that.

But that's what Trump is implying

Number39 posted...

but there's an art to war, the civil rights movement did it best. Minorities literally caused 0 problems and were being lynched for no reason, therefore, that's why it succeeded

Yeah no. That's what we think now because we have the benefit of hindsight.

In the 60s, minorities conducted sit ins, blocked traffic, and tons of the same shit Antifa does today. They flagrantly broke segregation laws and voted illegally (because they couldn't pass the literacy tests).

If you want to be on the wrong side of history, that's on you.
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Number39 posted...

but there's an art to war, the civil rights movement did it best. Minorities literally caused 0 problems and were being lynched for no reason, therefore, that's why it succeeded

wtf? How can you be so ignorant of what occurred during the Civil Rights Movement? There were an outstanding amount of protests and straight up riots that were crucial towards discrimination laws being ended.
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Most reasonable people are criticizing Trump for what he said, so I'm not 100% worried.
More like 62.3% worried.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Number39 posted...

but there's an art to war, the civil rights movement did it best. Minorities literally caused 0 problems and were being lynched for no reason, therefore, that's why it succeeded

Yeah no. That's what we think now because we have the benefit of hindsight.

In the 60s, minorities conducted sit ins, blocked traffic, and tons of the same shit Antifa does today. They flagrantly broke segregation laws and voted illegally (because they couldn't pass the literacy tests).

If you want to be on the wrong side of history, that's on you.

Civil disobedience was much more heavily emphasized during that era, thanks to many black leaders who strictly practiced non-violence. Though of course theres some organizations at that time which definitely permitted violence to further their agenda, it doesn't appear they were in the large majority. The extreme leftists today aren't emphasizing civil disobedience strongly enough that I fear they may lead to becoming more aggressive and violent groups if allowed to gain traction
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@Kazi1212 posted...

Civil disobedience was much more heavily emphasized during that era, thanks to many black leaders who strictly practiced non-violence. Though of course theres some organizations at that time which definitely permitted violence to further their agenda, it doesn't appear they were in the large majority. The extreme leftists today aren't emphasizing civil disobedience strongly enough that I fear they may lead to becoming more aggressive and violent groups if allowed to gain traction

Wrong. They were the large majority. MLK and others that practiced Civil Disobedience were a small part of it. There role was important as far as diplomacy went, but the driving force that brought about change was the majority that were violently rioting. The only reason you (incorrectly) believe otherwise is because gradeschools like to emphasis Civil Disobedience because it fits their zero tolerance for violence narrative.
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DarkChozoGhost posted...

@Kazi1212 posted...

Civil disobedience was much more heavily emphasized during that era, thanks to many black leaders who strictly practiced non-violence. Though of course theres some organizations at that time which definitely permitted violence to further their agenda, it doesn't appear they were in the large majority. The extreme leftists today aren't emphasizing civil disobedience strongly enough that I fear they may lead to becoming more aggressive and violent groups if allowed to gain traction

Wrong. They were the large majority. MLK and others that practiced Civil Disobedience were a small part of it. There role was important as far as diplomacy went, but the driving force that brought about change was the majority that were violently rioting. The only reason you (incorrectly) believe otherwise is because gradeschools like to emphasis Civil Disobedience because it fits their zero tolerance for violence narrative.

If that's the case then we should ask ourselves, is that what we want? Is there alternative and more peaceful possible ways for the current far left to accomplish their agenda? Remember now, the civil rights movement fought for much more basic rights(such as desegregation) to be implemented into law and thus they might have more justification for becoming extremely desperate to resort to violence to have their voice heard. But what about the far left of today? Are their issues as severe that they may have the same degree of justification to recourse to violence?
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Kazi1212 posted...

Is there alternative and more peaceful possible ways for the current far left to accomplish their agenda?

We can rephrase this ethical dilemma to "How do you make peace with people who want to kill you because you exist?"
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