Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 125: Her Name Is Heather Heyer.

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I always felt weird calling myself white despite being of European decent. People living around the Mediterranean area of Europe are not as melanin-challenged as British or Scandinavian people.

Though we do call Saudi Arabians, Indians and Chinese, Asians so I guess I can’t complain.
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Yeah but what if we don't do that

That's why you should probably try to convince me you won't, rather than by yelling "NO RIGHTS FOR NAZIS" while simultaneously defining everyone to the right of Hillary Clinton as a nazi.
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SmartMuffin posted...

what majority is openly hostile toward you because of your race, gender, and sexuality?

progressives

Imagine being afraid of a group of people that couldn't figure out how to defeat Donald Trump in a general election.

If Progressives ever started death camps, I bet they'd accidentally send themselves to them.
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SmartMuffin posted...

Yeah but what if we don't do that

That's why you should probably try to convince me you won't, rather than by yelling "NO RIGHTS FOR NAZIS" while simultaneously defining everyone to the right of Hillary Clinton as a nazi.

Nazis have rights.

They just don't have the right to threaten violence against people. Just like any other group.
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SmartMuffin posted...

Espeon posted...

Just making sure I'm reading this right. SMuffin is advocating the continued oppression of women, minorities and the LGBTQ community (also admitting said oppression exists) all so that he, as a straight white man, doesn't have to fear being oppressed himself and rising up in rebellion against said oppression.

If we set up a winner-takes-all society wherein the party in power is fully able to oppress the weaker party, then yes. I would rather be the oppressor than the oppressee.

If we fight white supremacist ideology, we won't get to such a society
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LordoftheMorons posted...

SmartMuffin posted...

If we set up a winner-takes-all society wherein the party in power is fully able to oppress the weaker party, then yes. I would rather be the oppressor than the oppressee.

Yeah but what if we don't do that

Yeah, how 'bout rather than creating a society where the oppressees feel compelled to rise up and revolt (as you would if in the same situation...which you're not and have no legitimate reason to believe you will be in the near future), you and all the cowardly sociopaths like you just stop being assholes and murdering people as they try to fight for EQUALITY (not superiority.)
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Jakyl25 posted...

...wait until you see 10 million SmartMuffins charging

This gave me a mental image of various muffins marching down to fight the bakeriarchy, chanting "WHERE'S MY FREEDOM? (Clap-clap, clap-clap DUDE!)


And now I want a banner of that. Smartmuffin can be the one with a cool hat.
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Do I really have to post this again on a new page?

https://twitter.com/VICELAND/status/897203772149166080
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Smuffin Is Legion

He saw Wang moving in towards his territory and needed to come in to assert his dominance.

Well we are essentially having a stupid version of that conversation right now
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SgtSphynx posted...

Do I really have to post this again on a new page?

https://twitter.com/VICELAND/status/897203772149166080

Chinese guy said he really enjoyed growing up in the US
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hey smartmuffin if you're so afraid then just claim to be bi, it's not like anyone can call your bluff on that one
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Kenri posted...

hey smartmuffin if you're so afraid then just claim to be bi, it's not like anyone can call your bluff on that one

ive heard that its morally disgusting to tell someone that they can avoid violence by trying to pass for something theyre not
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EndOfDiscOne posted...

SgtSphynx posted...

Do I really have to post this again on a new page?

https://twitter.com/VICELAND/status/897203772149166080

Chinese guy said he really enjoyed growing up in the US

...?
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SmartMuffin posted...

Kenri posted...

hey smartmuffin if you're so afraid then just claim to be bi, it's not like anyone can call your bluff on that one

ive heard that its morally disgusting to tell someone that they can avoid violence by trying to pass for something theyre not

Well if you extend the initialism out, the last letter in LGBTQIA is for asexual
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SMuffin, you do realize that you sound like a whiny hypocrite for complaining "the left calls everyone right of Hillary a Nazi" while simultaneously calling for continued white supremacy (a key component of Nazism). That's not the left misconstruing you as a Nazi. That's you actively espousing Nazi beliefs.
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Jakyl25 posted...

EndOfDiscOne posted...

SgtSphynx posted...

Do I really have to post this again on a new page?

https://twitter.com/VICELAND/status/897203772149166080

Chinese guy said he really enjoyed growing up in the US

...?

Well there were all those comments in this topic about how awful it is to be a minority in this country
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"The left calls me a Nazi when I support Nazi ideals! How dare they!"
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SmartMuffin posted...

Are you a literal Nazi y/n

Doesn't matter. You said nazis deserve to have no rights because they are bad.

The relevant question isn't if I'm a nazi, it's if I'm bad. If you think I am, then you already have the justification you need to deny MY rights, too!

First they came for the Nazis, and I said nothing because I was not a Nazi.

Then they...just stopped, really. Turns out they just didn't like Nazis calling for the extermination of more than half of America.
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I have not caught up as I'm at work now, though Muffin would differ greatly here because he is on the right and may fear the issue of spreading the wrong usage of terms to apply to him, especially if he sees them being applied to people far more left than him. Not the most rational fear either but neither him nor I would expect the greatest consistency with those trying to calm people down.
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Nazis (and their supporters that aren't nazis but stick up for them for some reason or another) seem to think that they have a right to say what they want, without the other side fighting back.
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EndOfDiscOne posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

EndOfDiscOne posted...

SgtSphynx posted...

Do I really have to post this again on a new page?

https://twitter.com/VICELAND/status/897203772149166080

Chinese guy said he really enjoyed growing up in the US

...?

Well there were all those comments in this topic about how awful it is to be a minority in this country

All discrimination is not created equal

Many areas of the country are not discriminatory enough to ruin someone's life

I don't think anyone would disagree that we've made strides generation to generation
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Espeon posted...

SMuffin, you do realize that you sound like a whiny hypocrite for complaining "the left calls everyone right of Hillary a Nazi" while simultaneously calling for continued white supremacy (a key component of Nazism). That's not the left misconstruing you as a Nazi. That's you actively espousing Nazi beliefs.

Dude, you're scaring him. He's not capable of that kind of self reflection.
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SmartMuffin posted...

ive heard that its morally disgusting to tell someone that they can avoid violence by trying to pass for something theyre not

No, it's only morally disgusting for society to force someone to do so. But since this is all in your head anyway, I feel like it's an easy solution to your problem.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Another straight white male not particularly worried about being subjugated here

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Kinglicious posted...

I have not caught up as I'm at work now, though Muffin would differ greatly here because he is on the right and may fear the issue of spreading the wrong usage of terms to apply to him, especially if he sees them being applied to people far more left than him.

Like feminists!

Maybe all this time, when alt-righters would call people feminazis, they meant it as a compliment
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Jakyl25 posted...

SmartMuffin posted...

Espeon posted...

Just making sure I'm reading this right. SMuffin is advocating the continued oppression of women, minorities and the LGBTQ community (also admitting said oppression exists) all so that he, as a straight white man, doesn't have to fear being oppressed himself and rising up in rebellion against said oppression.

If we set up a winner-takes-all society wherein the party in power is fully able to oppress the weaker party, then yes. I would rather be the oppressor than the oppressee.

If we fight white supremacist ideology, we won't get to such a society

The problem is, his side says the same things about the world they want, but he knows they're lying so he assumes everyone on the other side is lying too.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Kinglicious posted...

I have not caught up as I'm at work now, though Muffin would differ greatly here because he is on the right and may fear the issue of spreading the wrong usage of terms to apply to him, especially if he sees them being applied to people far more left than him.

Like feminists!

Maybe all this time, when alt-righters would call people feminazis, they meant it as a compliment

Yeah, I was just about to say... They sure didn't seem to have any issue throwing words like "feminazis" and "SJW" at everybody on one side.
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First the Nazis went for the Communists, who really were killing millions (in the USSR in the 30s). Then they went for lots of other people, who weren't killing anyone.
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It's almost like trump and his supporters are great at dishing it out but huge crybabies when they have to take it.
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red sox 777 posted...

First the Nazis went for the Communists, who really were killing millions (in the USSR in the 30s). Then they went for lots of other people, who weren't killing anyone.

so we'd better shut them down now before they can come for us
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Muffin, no one relevant hates you because you're white.


Why would you think otherwise?
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red sox 777 posted...

First the Nazis went for the Communists, who really were killing millions (in the USSR in the 30s). Then they went for lots of other people, who weren't killing anyone.

and when it was all said and done, the communists still killed like 20x more than the nazis ever did
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SmartMuffin posted...

red sox 777 posted...

First the Nazis went for the Communists, who really were killing millions (in the USSR in the 30s). Then they went for lots of other people, who weren't killing anyone.

and when it was all said and done, the communists still killed like 20x more than the nazis ever did

Because we didn't give them the opportunity
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SmartMuffin posted...

red sox 777 posted...

First the Nazis went for the Communists, who really were killing millions (in the USSR in the 30s). Then they went for lots of other people, who weren't killing anyone.

and when it was all said and done, the communists still killed like 20x more than the nazis ever did

So the hill you're going to die on is "i choose to be a nazi because they weren't as genocidal as another group"
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Petition for having her name remain in the topic title.
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Peace___Frog posted...

Petition for having her name remain in the topic title.

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Petition for no name in next title.
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She's been laid to rest. I think we can move on, but still not forget her.
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Also this conversation is vastly different than Wang. Wang was mostly arguing for them being able to speak, not that they were a good group of people. Smuffin's argument is more "eh, they could be worse! at least they aren't oppressing me!"
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We had three topics with her name with it, I think it's fine to go back to the regular style now.

But yes, let's not forget.
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KamikazePotato posted...

LordoftheMorons posted...

Another straight white male not particularly worried about being subjugated here

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Jakyl25 posted...

Kinglicious posted...

I have not caught up as I'm at work now, though Muffin would differ greatly here because he is on the right and may fear the issue of spreading the wrong usage of terms to apply to him, especially if he sees them being applied to people far more left than him.

Like feminists!

Maybe all this time, when alt-righters would call people feminazis, they meant it as a compliment

I don't get this kind of rhetoric. If it's pointing out his hypocrisy alright, though it makes a lot more sense to do better than that, not stoop to the same level of wrongdoing.
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Suprak the Stud posted...

Also this conversation is vastly different than Wang. Wang was mostly arguing for them being able to speak, not that they were a good group of people. Smuffin's argument is more "eh, they could be worse! at least they aren't oppressing me!"

Smuffin is the humanoid embodiment of "got mine, fuck you"
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thought that was seph
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It can be both.
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Kinglicious posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Kinglicious posted...

I have not caught up as I'm at work now, though Muffin would differ greatly here because he is on the right and may fear the issue of spreading the wrong usage of terms to apply to him, especially if he sees them being applied to people far more left than him.

Like feminists!

Maybe all this time, when alt-righters would call people feminazis, they meant it as a compliment

I don't get this kind of rhetoric. If it's pointing out his hypocrisy alright, though it makes a lot more sense to do better than that, not stoop to the same level of wrongdoing.

You can call out hypocrisy without also calling non-Nazis Nazis
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Lock Her Up
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Never Forget
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