Current Events > BLM has noble goals with some super shitty members. Nazism is 100% despicable.

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Is this an unfair assessment?
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yeah

it paints BLM too negatively
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Thank you for making this topic. Props to you, tc.

Spooking posted...

Need to put "some" before noble because some of their goals include dismantling police departments. lol

And some of their goals want dead cops. When do they want them? Now.
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Capn Circus posted...

Spooking posted...

Need to put "some" before noble because some of their goals include dismantling police departments. lol

And some of their goals want dead cops. When do they want them? Now.

this is an official BLM platform?
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A biased assessment becuase the left calls anyone a Nazi these days
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According to the right Nazis are evil because they socialized medicine and enacted gun control.
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boxington posted...

Capn Circus posted...

Spooking posted...

Need to put "some" before noble because some of their goals include dismantling police departments. lol

And some of their goals want dead cops. When do they want them? Now.

this is an official BLM platform?

I'm not sure. I've seen an awful lot of them chanting that, though. At official BLM rallies, too. So you tell me.
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MangaFan462 posted...

A biased assessment becuase the left calls anyone a Nazi these days

Nope, only the alt right
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MangaFan462 posted...

A biased assessment becuase the left calls anyone a Nazi these days

if it marches like a nazi, and chants like a nazi, and waves flags like a nazi, it might just be a disgruntled young man with economic anxiety!
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Capn Circus posted...

boxington posted...

Capn Circus posted...

Spooking posted...

Need to put "some" before noble because some of their goals include dismantling police departments. lol

And some of their goals want dead cops. When do they want them? Now.

this is an official BLM platform?

I'm not sure. I've seen an awful lot of them chanting that, though. At official BLM rallies, too. So you tell me.

Yet you'll equivocate nazis lol.
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MangaFan462 posted...

A biased assessment becuase the left calls anyone a Nazi these days

I'm talking about the people with literal swastikas
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Capn Circus posted...

boxington posted...

Capn Circus posted...

Spooking posted...

Need to put "some" before noble because some of their goals include dismantling police departments. lol

And some of their goals want dead cops. When do they want them? Now.

this is an official BLM platform?

I'm not sure. I've seen an awful lot of them chanting that, though. At official BLM rallies, too. So you tell me.

Unless this is an official platform, that falls under "some super shitty members."
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CrimsonRage posted...

Fair assessment. That's why saying "both sides are as bad" is dishonest and people who say it shouldn't be taken seriously.

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Generally fair. BLM is a joke of a movement, loaded with plenty of racists on par with folks at the Charlottesville rally. But the movement is not expressly despicable like the neo-Nazi movement is.
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The Admiral posted...

loaded with plenty of racists on par with folks at the Charlottesville rally.

You think a sizable amount of BLM members are comparable to Nazis?
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Rioting over justified police shootings is not a noble goal.

_Near_ posted...

The Admiral posted...

loaded with plenty of racists on par with folks at the Charlottesville rally.

You think a sizable amount of BLM members are comparable to Nazis?

No, they're comparable to white supremacists. Don't really see any difference between white supremacist rhetoric and this:
http://www.torontosun.com/2017/02/11/black-lives-matter-co-founder-appears-to-label-white-people-defects
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Blackstar110 posted...

MangaFan462 posted...

A biased assessment becuase the left calls anyone a Nazi these days

I'm talking about the people with literal swastikas

The problem with the majority of liberals is guilt by association of these people with literal swastikas.

If not all people in BLM are radicals, then one must also be willing to admit that conservative views are not correlation to being a fucking Nazi.
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The Admiral posted...

_Near_ posted...

The Admiral posted...

loaded with plenty of racists on par with folks at the Charlottesville rally.

You think a sizable amount of BLM members are comparable to Nazis?

No, they're comparable to white supremacists. Don't really see any difference between white supremacist rhetoric and this:
http://www.torontosun.com/2017/02/11/black-lives-matter-co-founder-appears-to-label-white-people-defects

according to a post on what appears to be her Facebook page.

So was it her Facebook page or not? Also it looks like she's the founder for Toronto BLM but not the original movement.
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BLM is generally good intentioned but the issues arise from no central idea or back bone.

It's like Anonymous in that it can mean everything and nothing at the same time, which gives people widely different views of it.


Nazi's and alt right have a lot more central ideas and they're and despicable
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thompsontalker7 posted...

Blackstar110 posted...

MangaFan462 posted...

A biased assessment becuase the left calls anyone a Nazi these days

I'm talking about the people with literal swastikas

The problem with the majority of liberals is guilt by association of these people with literal swastikas.

If not all people in BLM are radicals, then one must also be willing to admit that conservative views are not correlation to being a fucking Nazi.

No
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MangaFan462 posted...

A biased assessment becuase the left calls anyone a Nazi these days

It's legit terrifying the shit people delude themselves into believing.
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No what? You typically refute arguments with a counter-contention.

You're saying that if I asked someone two questions (do you consider yourself a liberal and do you think the conservatives are representative of Nazis), the probably of both answers being "yes" won't be fairly high?
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thompsontalker7 posted...

No what? You typically refute arguments with a counter-contention.

You're saying that if I asked someone two questions (do you consider yourself a liberal and do you think the conservatives are representative of Nazis), the probably of both answers being "yes" won't be fairly high?

That's exactly what Im saying
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You're exactly saying what? That you agree with me?
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Just because Nazis are conservative doesn't mean all conservatives are Nazis.

If anything I was shocked at the conservatives here presuming everyone counter-protesting the Nazis were extremely liberal. I'm more scared of that mentality.

Both liberals and conservatives should be standing against Nazi rhetoric and I feel like they would have a decade ago.
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thompsontalker7 posted...

You're exactly saying what? That you agree with me?

What exactly don't you understand? I said yes, what you said is what I am saying. The majority of liberals dont think conservatives are nazis. Just like the majority of conservatives dont think liberals are communists. You sound like someone who lives in a bubble with limited real world exposure to people with different views.
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Darmik posted...

If anything I was shocked at the conservatives here presuming everyone counter-protesting the Nazis were extremely liberal. I'm more scared of that mentality.

Both liberals and conservatives should be standing against Nazi rhetoric and I feel like they would have a decade ago.

This is an incredibly good and understated point.

A lot of the reaction has been "but Antifa and BLM say this!!!" as if everyone who showed up to protest against literal nazis MUST have been Antifa. A lot of them were just citizens standing up for what is obviously and blatantly right.
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Capn Circus posted...

boxington posted...

Capn Circus posted...

Spooking posted...

Need to put "some" before noble because some of their goals include dismantling police departments. lol

And some of their goals want dead cops. When do they want them? Now.

this is an official BLM platform?

I'm not sure.

It's not, but of course that isn't your concern whether it's true or not. Your concern is making BLM look as shitty as possible.
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Zodd3224 posted...

thompsontalker7 posted...

You're exactly saying what? That you agree with me?

The majority of liberals dont think conservatives are nazis. Just like the majority of conservatives dont think liberals are communists. You sound like someone who lives in a bubble with limited real world exposure to people with different views.

Don't get all pissy because no one feels like entertaining your half-assed reactions until you get mad.

I coach debate at my old high school; the very opposite of your "limited real world exposure". I tell people to avoid having the same train of thought you and everyone else here tend to have when they debate; to get as quickly to the "shut-down" process while avoiding any rational lines of thought and not establishing pro/neg contentions. All people wanna do is what you're doing right now, to delude yourself into thinking I'm some sort of charity case to avoid really defending the side you've taken. And just like any real debate, taking a side doesn't necessarily mean you represent their ideals, a mistake that 95% of CE has been making this entire time. Someone can go "well damn, this side is taking it too far" without necessarily advocating the other side. That's what I was doing.
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thompsontalker7 posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

thompsontalker7 posted...

You're exactly saying what? That you agree with me?

The majority of liberals dont think conservatives are nazis. Just like the majority of conservatives dont think liberals are communists. You sound like someone who lives in a bubble with limited real world exposure to people with different views.

Don't get all pissy because no one feels like entertaining your half-assed reactions until you get mad.

I coach debate at my old high school; the very opposite of your "limited real world exposure". I tell people to avoid having the same train of thought you and everyone else here tend to have when they debate; to get as quickly to the "shut-down" process while avoiding any rational lines of thought and not establishing pro/neg contentions. All people wanna do is what you're doing right now, to delude yourself into thinking I'm some sort of charity case to avoid really defending the side you've taken. And just like any real debate, taking a side doesn't necessarily mean you represent their ideals, a mistake that 95% of CE has been making this entire time. Someone can go "well damn, this side is taking it too far" without necessarily advocating the other side. That's what I was doing.

Lmao, yeah I'm the pissy one here... and nothing you just said added anything to the discussion, my friend
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It added background; to show that you're quick to jumping to conclusions for no good reason because you don't wanna ponder the positives and negatives.

Obviously we're at an impasse on the topic because we agree on different viewpoints. But instead of elaborating on your in-depth "No" cross-examination you wanna just go straight for the credibility fallacy.

Just cut it out bruh and tell me why you're feeling the way you do on the topic, if that's possible
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thompsontalker7 posted...

admit that conservative views are not correlation to being a fucking Nazi.

I think you misunderstand. Conservative in and of itself is not related to neo Nazi.

But the alt-right was created by a literal Nazi. Alt-right leaders are literally high ranking members of the current administration. Our current President just said that the people trying to stop a literal march of literally armed literal Nazis were just as bad as the Nazis themselves.

The current American Republican Party has fancied themselves the protectors of conservatism and their current leader has courted the interests of literal Nazis.

You can be a conservative and be unrelated to Nazis. Conservatives did it for years. No one called Bush a Nazi... or Reagan. But it's hard to support Trump and not, at the very least, turn a blind eye to the Nazi influences.
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thompsontalker7 posted...

It added background; to show that you're quick to jumping to conclusions for no good reason because you don't wanna ponder the positives and negatives.

Obviously we're at an impasse on the topic because we agree on different viewpoints. But instead of elaborating on your in-depth "No" cross-examination you wanna just go straight for the credibility fallacy.

Just cut it out bruh and tell me why you're feeling the way you do on the topic, if that's possible

If you think "most" liberals think all conservatives are Nazis you're just flat out wrong. There isn't really anything left to discuss. Do "some" liberals think that? Of course. They are fools. And that "some" is a small percentage that happens to get media coverage.
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Can't we just agree that racism in all shapes and forms is bad? :u I'd like that.
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The Deadpool posted...

thompsontalker7 posted...

admit that conservative views are not correlation to being a fucking Nazi.

I think you misunderstand. Conservative in and of itself is not related to neo Nazi.

But the alt-right was created by a literal Nazi. Alt-right leaders are literally high ranking members of the current administration. Our current President just said that the people trying to stop a literal march of literally armed literal Nazis were just as bad as the Nazis themselves.

The current American Republican Party has fancied themselves the protectors of conservatism and their current leader has courted the interests of literal Nazis.

You can be a conservative and be unrelated to Nazis. Conservatives did it for years. No one called Bush a Nazi... or Reagan. But it's hard to support Trump and not, at the very least, turn a blind eye to the Nazi influences.

I understand that much. But as I mentioned before, the problem is that the current liberal political flowchart always starts off with Republicans and almost always ends in either "white supremacist" or "Nazi". This is unfair in particular because while I'd be the first to agree that the majority of those two are part of the right, that doesn't necessarily conclude that everyone on there is as well. Hell, my father lived down in NC as a black man for a good part of his early life and he was a longtime Republican in the second half. Do people not understand how that state of mind can have nothing to do with the viewpoint of one's skin? This "us vs. them" attitude didn't start with Trump, and neither will it end with him. Is this enough of a catalyst for the average person to go "yep, I can only ever see this one way from now on"? I believe so. What bugs me is that people seem to think this type of behavior is exclusively endorsed by Trump, when all the evidence presented so far doesn't really do that.

Sure, saying "both sides are responsible" is a bold statement to make. But to an extent, I feel it would be a stretch to say that the left didn't instigate even a little bit, in order to discredit that claim. Sure, one side mowed down the other with a car and that's fricking terrible beyond words.

But is the knee-jerk reaction of "fuck Nazis, punch everyone there" the appropriate long-term goal here? There doesn't seem to be an end goal in general besides "Fuck Trump", which I'm sure is a multi-point objective that doesn't have violence anywhere on it.
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thompsontalker7 posted...

The Deadpool posted...

thompsontalker7 posted...

admit that conservative views are not correlation to being a fucking Nazi.

I think you misunderstand. Conservative in and of itself is not related to neo Nazi.

But the alt-right was created by a literal Nazi. Alt-right leaders are literally high ranking members of the current administration. Our current President just said that the people trying to stop a literal march of literally armed literal Nazis were just as bad as the Nazis themselves.

The current American Republican Party has fancied themselves the protectors of conservatism and their current leader has courted the interests of literal Nazis.

You can be a conservative and be unrelated to Nazis. Conservatives did it for years. No one called Bush a Nazi... or Reagan. But it's hard to support Trump and not, at the very least, turn a blind eye to the Nazi influences.

I understand that much. But as I mentioned before, the problem is that the current liberal political flowchart always starts off with Republicans and almost always ends in either "white supremacist" or "Nazi". This is unfair in particular because while I'd be the first to agree that the majority of those two are part of the right, that doesn't necessarily conclude that everyone on there is as well. Hell, my father lived down in NC as a black man for a good part of his early life and he was a longtime Republican in the second half. Do people not understand how that state of mind can have nothing to do with the viewpoint of one's skin? This "us vs. them" attitude didn't start with Trump, and neither will it end with him. Is this enough of a catalyst for the average person to go "yep, I can only ever see this one way from now on"? I believe so. What bugs me is that people seem to think this type of behavior is exclusively endorsed by Trump, when all the evidence presented so far doesn't really do that.

Sure, saying "both sides are responsible" is a bold statement to make. But to an extent, I feel it would be a stretch to say that the left didn't instigate even a little bit, in order to discredit that claim. Sure, one side mowed down the other with a car and that's fricking terrible beyond words.

But is the knee-jerk reaction of "fuck Nazis, punch everyone there" the appropriate long-term goal here? There doesn't seem to be an end goal in general besides "Fuck Trump", which I'm sure is a multi-point objective that doesn't have violence anywhere on it.

Shut the fuck up
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Spooking posted...

Need to put "some" before noble because some of their goals include dismantling police departments. lol

I can't find anything about that on the BLM website, where did you get that from?
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NinjaBreakfast posted...

thompsontalker7 posted...

The Deadpool posted...

thompsontalker7 posted...

admit that conservative views are not correlation to being a fucking Nazi.

I think you misunderstand. Conservative in and of itself is not related to neo Nazi.

But the alt-right was created by a literal Nazi. Alt-right leaders are literally high ranking members of the current administration. Our current President just said that the people trying to stop a literal march of literally armed literal Nazis were just as bad as the Nazis themselves.

The current American Republican Party has fancied themselves the protectors of conservatism and their current leader has courted the interests of literal Nazis.

You can be a conservative and be unrelated to Nazis. Conservatives did it for years. No one called Bush a Nazi... or Reagan. But it's hard to support Trump and not, at the very least, turn a blind eye to the Nazi influences.

I understand that much. But as I mentioned before, the problem is that the current liberal political flowchart always starts off with Republicans and almost always ends in either "white supremacist" or "Nazi". This is unfair in particular because while I'd be the first to agree that the majority of those two are part of the right, that doesn't necessarily conclude that everyone on there is as well. Hell, my father lived down in NC as a black man for a good part of his early life and he was a longtime Republican in the second half. Do people not understand how that state of mind can have nothing to do with the viewpoint of one's skin? This "us vs. them" attitude didn't start with Trump, and neither will it end with him. Is this enough of a catalyst for the average person to go "yep, I can only ever see this one way from now on"? I believe so. What bugs me is that people seem to think this type of behavior is exclusively endorsed by Trump, when all the evidence presented so far doesn't really do that.

Sure, saying "both sides are responsible" is a bold statement to make. But to an extent, I feel it would be a stretch to say that the left didn't instigate even a little bit, in order to discredit that claim. Sure, one side mowed down the other with a car and that's fricking terrible beyond words.

But is the knee-jerk reaction of "fuck Nazis, punch everyone there" the appropriate long-term goal here? There doesn't seem to be an end goal in general besides "Fuck Trump", which I'm sure is a multi-point objective that doesn't have violence anywhere on it.

Shut the fuck up

TT7 does have a point here.
I been saying punching that Richard guy on TV was THE dumbest response possible to his, should have been 30 seconds of fame, speech and I get labeled a Nazi for that.
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scar the 1 posted...

Spooking posted...

Need to put "some" before noble because some of their goals include dismantling police departments. lol

I can't find anything about that on the BLM website, where did you get that from?

you say that as if BLM is centralized with actual goals in mind
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BLM
Antifa
Nazis

All terrible.
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not everybody with an irrational contempt for Black people standing up for themselves identify as White supremacists, but even manure comes in more than one brand.
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

not everybody with an irrational contempt for Black people standing up for themselves identify as White supremacists, but even manure comes in more than one brand.

Get 'em!
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