Current Events > Oh hey the counter protesters did have permits after all.

(+) Yeah! (+)

http://www.nbc29.com/story/36099395/city-of-charlottesville-grants-two-permits-for-counterprotests-of-unite-the-right

Something something alternative facts
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Sad!
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I mean, we knew this before Trump made his baseless claims.
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BLAKUboy posted...

I mean, we knew this before Trump made his baseless claims.

Yes, it's generally a safe bet to assume Trump is lying, but I figure most people never went and actually dug out proof that he was lying.

Knowing someone is lying and demonstrating they are lying are two different things.
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But facts! Trump wanted to hold commenting until all the facts were in!
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The people defending Nazis won't care because they're not good people

You know what probably upsets trump the most about Charlottesville? That Pres. Obama now has the #1 most popular tweet of all time.
There's still a chance that Trump could have #1 if he decides to announce he's resigning via twitter.
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My understanding of protest law isn't great, but wouldn't the counterprotest at Emancipation Park still be unlawful since those permits didn't cover that one?
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@Caution999
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OpheliaAdenade posted...

@Caution999

What do you want from me? I never made this part of my argument. I have said time and time again, that both sides are idiots.

It doesn't matter who started it, it doesn't matter. This incident shouldn't have happened, and these people should be utterly ashamed of themselves.
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Damn I thought Trump waited for all the facts before commenting?
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Twin3Turbo posted...

Damn I thought Trump waited for all the facts before commenting?

He said he watched the rally very closely. That there were some "fine people" on both sides.

Can he point some of them out that were on Kessler's side? I'd love to see who these fine people that rallied under Kessler are.
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Caution999 posted...

OpheliaAdenade posted...

@Caution999

What do you want from me? I never made this part of my argument. I have said time and time again, that both sides are idiots.

It doesn't matter who started it, it doesn't matter. This incident shouldn't have happened, and these people should be utterly ashamed of themselves.

How are people idiots for opposing white supremacists?
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For being part of the violence.


It's never the answer.
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Good thing Trump held off to wait for all the facts and get all the information before commenting
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Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...

Trump wanted to hold commenting until all the facts were in!

possibly my favorite part of all this is that despite this claim he still managed to lie about something
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

My understanding of protest law isn't great, but wouldn't the counterprotest at Emancipation Park still be unlawful since those permits didn't cover that one?

Yes, you would be correct. Lefties like to find a small fact and pretends it applies to the entire situation
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Caution999 posted...

For being part of the violence.


It's never the answer.

Letting Nazis march through the streets chanting "blood and soil" and "these are our streets" isn't the answer. There were people like you in 1930's Germany saying "just ignore them, let them do what they want". We're not going to let that happen again.
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lmfao @ comparing America to 1930's Germany.

Let the police handle it.
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CrimsonRage posted...

Yes, I don't believe Caution ever made the "counter-protestors didn't have permits" argument.@Capn_Circus on the other hand....

I'm sorry caution, I got you and the circus clown mixed up. :u Forgive me

yea, @Capn_Circus, how about that?
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Good thing Trump held off to wait for all the facts and get all the information before commenting

ayyy
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Caution999 posted...

lmfao @ comparing America to 1930's Germany.

Let the police handle it.

Complacency is consent. There is no equivalency here. There's right and wrong, and the wrong is going to be crushed and discarded into the trash heap of history.
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NadYobWoc posted...

Caution999 posted...

For being part of the violence.


It's never the answer.

Letting Nazis march through the streets chanting "blood and soil" and "these are our streets" isn't the answer. There were people like you in 1930's Germany saying "just ignore them, let them do what they want". We're not going to let that happen again.

Ah yes, the inevitable Nazi takeover of America, brought to you by a complete lack of understanding of how our government works.
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VectorChaos posted...

NadYobWoc posted...

Caution999 posted...

For being part of the violence.


It's never the answer.

Letting Nazis march through the streets chanting "blood and soil" and "these are our streets" isn't the answer. There were people like you in 1930's Germany saying "just ignore them, let them do what they want". We're not going to let that happen again.

Ah yes, the inevitable Nazi takeover of America, brought to you by a complete lack of understanding of how our government works.

Strawman
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Capn Circus posted...

UnholyMudcrab posted...

My understanding of protest law isn't great, but wouldn't the counterprotest at Emancipation Park still be unlawful since those permits didn't cover that one?

Yes, you would be correct. Lefties like to find a small fact and pretends it applies to the entire situation

The vehicular attack occured nowhere near Emancipation Park.

Emancipation park is between Market/Jefferson and 1st/2nd street.

The attack happened at the intersection of Water and 4th street (very far away) outside the hotel where some counter protestors were staying. The attack happened as the counter protestors were leaving, and not "charging with clubs" or whatever fucking bullshit your orange god said happened.
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This is why it's so hard for me to talk to people on the left.

They act like their side is constantly on the right side of history, and if you're not with them, why, you're a piece of filth.

Please: Give a little respect once in a while. Yes, we all understand that the Neo-Nazis are horrible people who deserve no remorse. Total Agreement.

That being said, I don't think people should take the law into their own hands. Let these idiots make an ass of themselves on their own terms. They always do.
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Caution999 posted...

They act like their side is constantly on the right side of history

We literally are.

name me literally one fucking period in history where some privileged group went out of their way to disfranchise some other group and everyone said in hindsight "that was a great idea"
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Capn Circus posted...

UnholyMudcrab posted...

My understanding of protest law isn't great, but wouldn't the counterprotest at Emancipation Park still be unlawful since those permits didn't cover that one?

Yes, you would be correct. Lefties like to find a small fact and pretends it applies to the entire situation

The vehicular attack occured nowhere near Emancipation Park.

Emancipation park is between Market/Jefferson and 1st/2nd street.

The attack happened at the intersection of Water and 4th street (very far away) outside the hotel where some counter protestors were staying. The attack happened as the counter protestors were leaving, and not "charging with clubs" or whatever fucking bullshit your orange god said happened.

No one's talking about the attack. There were more events that transpired that day besides the attack, including counter protesters without permits behaving violently
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Capn Circus posted...

No one's talking about the attack.

*headdesk so hard it creates a nuclear fusion reaction*
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Capn Circus posted...

There were more events that transpired that day besides the attack, including counter protesters without permits behaving violently

Cite them and cite the location of such activites
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Caution999 posted...

For being part of the violence.


It's never the answer.

Sometimes it is.
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So, uh, which bureaucrat fucked up and issued permits for antagonistic groups on the same day?

Questionmarktarius posted...

So, uh, which bureaucrat fucked up and issued permits for antagonistic groups on the same day?

was it a Friday? I mean I stamp a lot of stuff i'm not sure about on Fridays. :u I mean, who gives a shit, its almost the weekend.
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

Capn Circus posted...

There were more events that transpired that day besides the attack, including counter protesters without permits behaving violently

Cite them and cite the location of such activites

Just read the article and figure it out for yourself. All the info is in there. The permits obviously didn't cover all counter protesters
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Questionmarktarius posted...

So, uh, which bureaucrat fucked up and issued permits for antagonistic groups on the same day?

Fucking Hermes
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Capn Circus posted...

Just read the article and figure it out for yourself. All the info is in there. The permits obviously didn't cover all counter protesters

So basically you're, again, talking out of your ass about something happening because "muh feels" make you think that way, and nothing in reality.

Dude, just let it go
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

So basically you're, again, talking out of your ass about something happening because "muh feels" make you think that way, and nothing in reality.

Dude.
GameFAQs.

The Great Muta 22 posted...

Capn Circus posted...

Just read the article and figure it out for yourself. All the info is in there. The permits obviously didn't cover all counter protesters

So basically you're, again, talking out of your ass about something happening because "muh feels" make you think that way, and nothing in reality.

Dude, just let it go

I'll provide evidence later and tag you, unless someone does the work before I do. I can't right now.
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

Capn Circus posted...

There were more events that transpired that day besides the attack, including counter protesters without permits behaving violently

Cite them and cite the location of such activites

It appears the only permits that were issued were issued to this group. And, what do you know, the picture in the link shows a peaceful event. They stayed in their park(s). I don't see any Nazis there, either (http://www.nbc29.com/story/36099395/city-of-charlottesville-grants-two-permits-for-counterprotests-of-unite-the-right)

Who had the Emancipation park permit? Kessler and his group. Not Antifa. Not BLM. Citing CBS, "Counter-protesters flooded the area to square off with the group of alt-right activists and white supremacists. Police deployed tear gas against the crowd shortly before 11:30 a.m." (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/white-nationalists-rally-charlottesville-live-updates/)

That statement matches up to what Trump said, "You had a group -- you had a group on the other side that came charging in without a permit, and they were very, very violent."

At this point, you are intentionally lying by calling the President a liar and you're intentionally lying that Antifa and BLM had permits, which they didn't. You can say you believe they shouldn't have had to had a permit. You can talk about changing the laws. But don't intentionally lie to promote your agenda. It's absolutely sorrowful.

@The_Great_Muta_22
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