Poll of the Day > Sarah Palin is OUTRAGED to hear Iceland has 100% ABORTION for Down Syndrome!!!

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Sarah Palin is OUTRAGED over Iceland's abortion policy when it was revealed that the country has a near 100% ABORTION rate for babies with Down Syndrome!!

The former Alaska Governor turned house mom has a son, Trig who was born with the condition in 2008 and compared the policy used in Hitler's Germany and his racist quest to build a "perfect" Aryan race!!

She said "To try to snuff out a life, in the name of building a perfect race, hearkens back to Nazi Germany"

But Helga Sol Olafsdottir of Landspitali University argues that most people see the terminations as a way of avoiding suffering for both child and family and said Iceland is the most secular country that doesn't see abortion as murder. She said "We see it as a thing we ended to prevent suffering. We ended a possible life that may have had a huge complication, preventing suffering for the child and for the family. And think that is more right than seeing it as a murder, that's s black and white. Life isn't black and white. Life is gry"

Palin has been a long opponent against abortion, even in the case of RAPE and INCEST!!

She says abortion of fetuses of Down Syndrome became strong after her birth to Trig, now 9.

She's pushed for a bill to ban abortion in caes where the fetus is diagnosed with down syndrome and said "I don't think because the child has one extra chromosome, they should be able to snuff the life out"

Pre-natal tesets have been around since the early 2000s to find genetic abnormalities and conditions such as down syndrome and in Iceland, all couples receive a positive test for a fetus with the condition have terminated the pregnancy

The United States estimated that 67% have terminated pregnancies for down syndrome and almost all European territories have high rates as well such as France at 77% and the UK at 90%

Iceland allows abortion after 16 weeks if the fetus has a deformity and had just 1-2 babies born with it every year while the US has 6000 born annually..

Helga says that they counsel woman on the decision to terminate and that it is completely their choice to choose how they want to live their life and what they want best to do with their decision to abort or not

Whose side are you on? let's see what people will vote

Sarah - Still trying to be relevant

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Helga - Iceland Minister

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Full Throttle posted...

Whose Side are you on?

I don't know. While it obviously benefits society, it still seems like a kinda messed up thing to do. Even if you tried to argue quality of life, there's no way to judge it from their perspective and it is the only life they're going to get. It's a thorny issue.
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Forcing children to be born with additional hardships that would otherwise not be present would be considered selfish and unethical...
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Conservative politician is outraged about something that has nothing to do with them. News at 11.
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aHappySacka posted...

Forcing children to be born with additional hardships that would otherwise not be present would be considered selfish and unethical...

Killing them for your convenience is also selfish and unethical, especially because you don't know the extent to which they'd enjoy life in the first place. Frankly, given that the hardship is a mental incapacity, they're theoretically more able to live happier lives than people born with very high intelligence despite living under what would conventionally be a severe handicap. But that's the difference between mental and physical handicap.

Additionally, I should note that being born with a handicap is generally less worrisome to an individual than going through life healthy and then being handicapped because the individual has known what it's like to not be handicapped.
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good job, iceland
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As long as it's a right to CHOOSE. If it's mandatory abortion because of the illness, that's too far.
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DS isn't the worst thing, but I think parents that choose to give birth to stunted children are misled.

I knew a paraplegic from birth, and they told me he could be as smart as the rest of us and we'd never know. Best case scenario he's brain-dead?

Just give them back to nature.
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The solution isn't to ban abortion, but to make things easier for those with Down's syndrome. It's not something people usually suffer directly from, but it's more living in a world that isn't accommodating toward them. Figuratively speaking, banning abortion on fetuses with Down's syndrome fixes the symptom, but not the disease, which s where the focus really should be. Create a world where people won't want to abort a fetus for that reason.
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Zeus posted...

Frankly, given that the hardship is a mental incapacity, they're theoretically more able to live happier lives than people born with very high intelligence despite living under what would conventionally be a severe handicap.

With that logic you should be the happiest man alive. Something we all know ya sure af aren't.
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Syntheticon posted...

Conservative politician is outraged about something that has nothing to do with them. News at 11.

Her son has down syndrome

I'm in a weird place. I think life begins at conception, but I'm still okay with abortions for justifiable reasons (as in not "I just don't want it").
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

I'm in a weird place. I think life begins at conception, but I'm still okay with abortions for justifiable reasons (as in not "I just don't want it").

'I just don't want it' is as legit a reason as rape or incest.
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Nundulan posted...

TheCyborgNinja posted...

I'm in a weird place. I think life begins at conception, but I'm still okay with abortions for justifiable reasons (as in not "I just don't want it").

'I just don't want it' is as legit a reason as rape or incest.

That's your opinion. I think it's irresponsible. I don't want to change anybody else's mind, it's just how I feel.
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Why do we care what Iceland does
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If she feels so strongly about it, she should open an orphanage for disabled children, as well as facilities for disabled adults, in Iceland and fund their operational costs.

Put up, or shut up.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

That's your opinion. I think it's irresponsible. I don't want to change anybody else's mind, it's just how I feel.

I wish more conservative-minded people shared this outlook.

You can vote "Pro-Choice" and choose to be "Pro-Life" in your own life and your decisions.

Leave people to decide for themselves.
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humans have such slow metabolisms they live for a very long time
it also takes them years, decades before they can fend for themselves
I think it's perfectly normal to abort something up to 5 months
they don't even have spines or a brain really
can't feel ****
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Zikten posted...

Syntheticon posted...

Conservative politician is outraged about something that has nothing to do with them. News at 11.

Her son has down syndrome

WAs her son born in Iceland?
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Feel like it was being implied that it was demanded/mandatory at first. As long as it's the decision of the parents, this seems fine in the general sense.

It's worth noting that souls with down-syndrome can be incredibly happy and bring great joy to their loved ones.
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I wouldn't be willing to have a kid with down syndrome. Not sure why she would want to force it on people.

BlackScythe0 posted...

I wouldn't be willing to have a kid with down syndrome. Not sure why she would want to force it on people.

because that's what anti-choicers do
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TsC_PoLiTiKz posted...

Feel like it was being implied that it was demanded/mandatory at first. As long as it's the decision of the parents, this seems fine in the general sense.

It's worth noting that souls with down-syndrome can be incredibly happy and bring great joy to their loved ones.

they cost 200k a year to be schooled
they have these assistants that rack up like 60k to stand next to them
they can't even have sex unless its with another downs person so they end up creating more people with downs
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Zeus posted...

Killing them for your convenience is also selfish and unethical, especially because you don't know the extent to which they'd enjoy life in the first place.

This. While I don't think the legality of abortions should be up for debate, the ethics are highly questionable, and I can't help but roll my eyes when people try to rationalize it by saying it'd be unethical to birth a down syndrome child. No, you just don't want to put up with all the additional effort raising such a person would require. Which is understandable to an extent, but at least be honest about it.

If anybody sees an issue with this, they have never been around a family with a severely disabled child. It takes an unbelievable toll on the entire family and I am not even speaking to giant financial costs associated with it.

JTekashiro posted...

If anybody sees an issue with this, they have never been around a family with a severely disabled child. It takes an unbelievable toll on the entire family and I am not even speaking to giant financial costs associated with it.

I do see the issue with it, but I think a lot of people take away the wrong message. The solution isn't to ban abortion, but to make things easier for those with Down's syndrome, and the families of those with Down's syndrome. To make things so that people won't want to abort for that reason. For society, as a whole, to see Down's syndrome as a joy, rather than a burden. Banning abortion doesn't fix the underlying issue, and that's what really needs to be fixed.
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Isn't that basically eugenics?
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It should ultimately be up to the parents. If a rich, fifty-three year old in Alaska can afford the costs, good for her.
But most humans are no where near her in terms of current financial stability and it's reprehensible that she's shaming anyone for choosing to avoid unnecessarily burdening themselves. >__>
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Zareth posted...

Isn't that basically eugenics?

No eugenics would be killing them if they were alive and breathing
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Golden Road posted...

JTekashiro posted...

If anybody sees an issue with this, they have never been around a family with a severely disabled child. It takes an unbelievable toll on the entire family and I am not even speaking to giant financial costs associated with it.

I do see the issue with it, but I think a lot of people take away the wrong message. The solution isn't to ban abortion, but to make things easier for those with Down's syndrome, and the families of those with Down's syndrome. To make things so that people won't want to abort for that reason. For society, as a whole, to see Down's syndrome as a joy, rather than a burden. Banning abortion doesn't fix the underlying issue, and that's what really needs to be fixed.

Society as a whole is never going to see a burden as a joy. That is the reality. The disabilities require them to require varying levels of care. I don't know the right percentage here but impressions are down syndrome basically never allows fully independent lives. If that isn't a burden I don't know what is.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Society as a whole is never going to see a burden as a joy. That is the reality. The disabilities require them to require varying levels of care. I don't know the right percentage here but impressions are down syndrome basically never allows fully independent lives. If that isn't a burden I don't know what is.

We need to change our perception there, that "can't live independently = burden." That's what we need to fix.
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Golden Road posted...

BlackScythe0 posted...

Society as a whole is never going to see a burden as a joy. That is the reality. The disabilities require them to require varying levels of care. I don't know the right percentage here but impressions are down syndrome basically never allows fully independent lives. If that isn't a burden I don't know what is.

We need to change our perception there, that "can't live independently = burden." That's what we need to fix.

How do you intend to make people believe they should just take care of someone perpetually?

Golden Road posted...

BlackScythe0 posted...

Society as a whole is never going to see a burden as a joy. That is the reality. The disabilities require them to require varying levels of care. I don't know the right percentage here but impressions are down syndrome basically never allows fully independent lives. If that isn't a burden I don't know what is.

We need to change our perception there, that "can't live independently = burden." That's what we need to fix.

You have a better odds willing your body to grow wings than that ever becoming the social norm.
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BlackScythe0 posted...

How do you intend to make people believe they should just take care of someone perpetually?

You can't force it. It has to be a societal shift, a viewpoint more and more people adopt until it becomes the accepted norm. Disallowing women to have abortions doesn't fix the problem.

Melon_Master posted...

You have a better odds willing your body to grow wings than that ever becoming the social norm.

Society isn't static. This doesn't seem to be an issue that's going to be solved relatively soon, admittedly, but never is a long time. Society changes relatively quickly. Just how at how things have progressed in the last hundred years.
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Full Throttle posted...

She said "To try to snuff out a life, in the name of building a perfect race, hearkens back to Nazi Germany"

You know what else hearkens back to Nazi Germany? Dictatorship. Actually, who said that their goal was to build a perfect race? Maybe the women of Iceland don't want to raise children that will never be independent. Maybe they're concerned with the quality of life they could provide to a child with special needs. Maybe Iceland as a country doesn't have the ability to meet those needs and abortion is the most responsible course of action women can take. These are just a few possibilities that have nothing to do with building a perfect race.

Unless she can back up her claim that this is the motivation of these women then Sarah Palin's position is closer to her criticism of the issue than the issue she is criticizing.
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I am against this,

I think we should just abort all children. Period. Quit being bigots and single out ones that aren't wanted. Abort everyone.
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Dikitain posted...

I am against this,

I think we should just abort all children. Period. Quit being bigots and single out ones that aren't wanted. Abort everyone.

I'd be with this, after one child abort the rest and bomb the cities and rebuild more spacious surrondings on top of them
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Terminonatator posted...

TheCyborgNinja posted...

That's your opinion. I think it's irresponsible. I don't want to change anybody else's mind, it's just how I feel.

I wish more conservative-minded people shared this outlook.

You can vote "Pro-Choice" and choose to be "Pro-Life" in your own life and your decisions.

Leave people to decide for themselves.

Exactly. I would not support pro-life legislation despite my personal views leaning more in that direction (though not entirely). I have a bit of a libertarian slant and the two would not mix.
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MrMelodramatic posted...

Zikten posted...

Syntheticon posted...

Conservative politician is outraged about something that has nothing to do with them. News at 11.

Her son has down syndrome

WAs her son born in Iceland?

No but you can understand why she feels sympathy

Abortions are better than the old way. Where the child was discarded in a ditch. Or like China does, girls thrown in the river.
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Zikten posted...

MrMelodramatic posted...

Zikten posted...

Syntheticon posted...

Conservative politician is outraged about something that has nothing to do with them. News at 11.

Her son has down syndrome

WAs her son born in Iceland?

No but you can understand why she feels sympathy

If she was sympathetic she would've started a charity to house Down syndrome children, ok?

She wants attention, so don't pee on me and say it's raining, ok?
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I can understand why Palin is upset at hearing that. It would be hard to hear your 9 year old with Down's may be knowledgeable about the fact that he would never have had a chance if he was born in Iceland or just to someone who sees him as a burden.

That being said, I'm personally okay with abortion for health and financial reasons.
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I would have never had a chance?

More like I was never alive
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RoboXgp89 posted...

Zareth posted...

Isn't that basically eugenics?

No eugenics would be killing them if they were alive and breathing

Then how come when I say that only smart and healthy people should be allowed to have kids, people call me a eugenics supporting Nazi?
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RoboXgp89 posted...

Zareth posted...

Isn't that basically eugenics?

No eugenics would be killing them if they were alive and breathing

Umm, no:

eu·gen·ics
yo͞oˈjeniks
noun
the science of improving a human population by controlled breeding to increase the occurrence of desirable heritable characteristics. Developed largely by Francis Galton as a method of improving the human race, it fell into disfavor only after the perversion of its doctrines by the Nazis.

You are thinking of Genocide.
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