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Is it unreasonable that I still get a bit startled or feel uneasy whenever I see one irl?

No because literally anyone can put one on and be unrecognizable. Male or female.
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Im not entirely happy about the people that feels its their right to enter a bank dressed like that... (it covers just as much as a warm ski mask... which is not allowed to be worn in a bank for security reasons, and burkas should be treated the same which it thankfully appears they are)

Thats all im commenting on.
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The burqa (or burka) is only the one on the left that is covering the whole face. The one on the right is the niqab.



Also, it should be a person's choice. Some women wear these things and say they are proud to wear them. That's fine if they actually mean it. However, forcing one's daughter, wife, etc. to have to wear one is wrong, and obviously a ton of women are still forced to wear them. So that is fucked up. Also they don't "belong" in western civilization, but that's a dumb question.
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Eh, I prefer my antiquated cultural artifacts to be a bit more robust.

http://adoubleshotofrecovery.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Dollarphotoclub_74185496-300x178.jpg


They just don't make oppression like they use to.
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Ideally, no one should impose women needing to wear them. Personally, I find them to be an eye sore
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In a rational society we wouldn't want trashbags to move around.

And obviously no. We don't need people who can't even show their faces in public.
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Chicken posted...

No because literally anyone can put one on and be unrecognizable. Male or female.

This. I'd hope that high security places don't allow them
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Other: I really don't care. People can wear whatever they want
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Absolutely not.
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Only as Halloween costumes.
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^ lmao
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nope and it blows my mind that women willingly wear them. when i see one i feel like its the woman saying "i'm cool with being treated as inferior to my male counterparts". i understand that some of them view it as a cultural thing, but the REASON it became a cultural thing was because of repression and sexism.
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I don't support the burqa, but I also don't think we should be combating patriarchal bullshit by telling women what they're not allowed to wear.
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I live in Toronto so I do see them often and it's something I've never gotten entirely used to. They're creepy looking and I always feel bad for the person stuck wearing them
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Chicken posted...

^ lmao

Heh me too.. though perhaps in a more sinister line of thinking.
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pinky0926 posted...

I don't support the burqa, but I also don't think we should be combating patriarchal bullshit by telling women what they're not allowed to wear.

The issue is the women wearing this are already being told what they're not allowed to wear by their husbands / men of their culture and turns out it's pretty broad "anything else"

I don't care if people think it's patriarchal for men to tell women they're not allowed to wear burqas. It's what needs to happen.
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pinky0926 posted...

I don't support the burqa, but I also don't think we should be combating patriarchal bullshit by telling women what they're not allowed to wear.

yup. if a woman wanted to wear a t-shirt that said "i am inferior to my male counterparts and i submit accordingly" that's totally her prerogative and i don't think anyone should be allowed to tell her not to wear it.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

The burqa (or burka) is only the one on the left that is covering the whole face. The one on the right is the niqab.



Also, it should be a person's choice. Some women wear these things and say they are proud to wear them. That's fine if they actually mean it. However, forcing one's daughter, wife, etc. to have to wear one is wrong, and obviously a ton of women are still forced to wear them. So that is fucked up. Also they don't "belong" in western civilization, but that's a dumb question.

Based on that picture, I am okay with banning the burqa and niqab in public spaces. They can keep the headscarves.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

The issue is the women wearing this are already being told what they're not allowed to wear by their husbands / men of their culture and turns out it's pretty broad "anything else"

I don't care if people think it's patriarchal for men to tell women they're not allowed to wear burqas. It's what needs to happen.

I think the only way to fight that is with education and access to culture and independence, not legislation around clothing.

I make an exception for someone holding public office or walking into a public building that requires some kind of security. Actually I'm a little woolly on this issue as a whole, because while I'm pretty clear on how I feel about the hijab, the burqa I'm less sure about.
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pinky0926 posted...

I think the only way to fight that is with education and access to culture and independence, not legislation around clothing.

This stuff will work to combat a lot of negative reactions from non-muslims, but a lot of women wear hijabs because if they don't, they will be treated as pariahas or killed.

Niqabs and Burqas are frequently worn by women who have had acid thrown on their face because they refused to wear a hijab. Some places have it as a custom, but it sometimes got that way because women were trying to hide their disfigurement for not adhering properly to a less strict dress code.

or sometimes for just rejecting a man's advances, because hey.

the problems are entirely internal. educating non muslims about muslim culture won't fix the fact that women are abused and intimidated on the regular.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

pinky0926 posted...

I think the only way to fight that is with education and access to culture and independence, not legislation around clothing.

This stuff will work to combat a lot of negative reactions from non-muslims, but a lot of women wear hijabs because if they don't, they will be treated as pariahas or killed.

Niqabs and Burqas are frequently worn by women who have had acid thrown on their face because they refused to wear a hijab. Some places have it as a custom, but it sometimes got that way because women were trying to hide their disfigurement for not adhering properly to a less strict dress code.

or sometimes for just rejecting a man's advances, because hey.

the problems are entirely internal. educating non muslims about muslim culture won't fix the fact that women are abused and intimidated on the regular.

Maybe then we should address the problems of women being treated as slaves in these societies and work towards freeing them from that kind of oppression, rather than give them another rule to adhere to?

I don't think you're incorrect, by the way. I'm just not sure that banning the burqa is going to be a useful strategy in addressing the root of the issue.
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Chicken posted...

No because literally anyone can put one on and be unrecognizable. Male or female.

no, they're ugly.
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-Gavirulax- posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

yup. if a woman wanted to wear a t-shirt that said "i am inferior to my male counterparts and i submit accordingly"

That is a given for Islam as a whole.

that's weird, i know a few Muslim women here at work and none of them have that attitude.
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no, they're too much for me. I'm ok with the headscarves cause to me it's no different than those dudes who always wear a cap. the full ninja getup is too much
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DirkDiggles posted...

OMG

This is so gonna get moderated because it's just too damn funny.
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pinky0926 posted...

I don't think you're incorrect, by the way. I'm just not sure that banning the burqa is going to be a useful strategy in addressing the root of the issue.

This is probably a correct statement, but the goal of banning it isn't to reform islamic countries. It's to prevent a spread of extremists / islamists to other countries. This is generally not really a problem in America. I've lived here for almost all my life and I've only ever seen a single Niqab actually being worn as normal clothing, and never a burqa.

European countries get a bit more exposure to it.
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-Gavirulax- posted...

That being said even my own sisters when we (one still is) were Muslim would conveniently pretend that certain parts didn't exist

i suspect that's true for almost anyone who is religious, not just Muslims.
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SuperVegito2487 posted...

Im not entirely happy about the people that feels its their right to enter a bank dressed like that... (it covers just as much as a warm ski mask... which is not allowed to be worn in a bank for security reasons, and burkas should be treated the same which it thankfully appears they are)

This, essentially.

If a "no exceptions" policy means you can't go there, then too bad.

No. If someone wants to wear it they can, no one should be forced to wear it due to ass backwards oppressive attitudes. In a bank, if you don't wanna follow safety rules, then it sucks to be you.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Niqabs and Burqas are frequently worn by women who have had acid thrown on their face because they refused to wear a hijab.

They should wear a bad ass metal mask like Ed Norton in Kingdom of Heaven. At least it has facial features that help humanize the wearer. Plus they'll look like a 12th century Persian assassin or Sons of the Harpy or something. Fearsome is a much better look than oppressed.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

pinky0926 posted...

I don't think you're incorrect, by the way. I'm just not sure that banning the burqa is going to be a useful strategy in addressing the root of the issue.

This is probably a correct statement, but the goal of banning it isn't to reform islamic countries. It's to prevent a spread of extremists / islamists to other countries. This is generally not really a problem in America. I've lived here for almost all my life and I've only ever seen a single Niqab actually being worn as normal clothing, and never a burqa.

European countries get a bit more exposure to it.

That might go over better in America then. If you tried to ban the burqa here you'd get...well, look at what happened in France.
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pinky0926 posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

pinky0926 posted...

I don't think you're incorrect, by the way. I'm just not sure that banning the burqa is going to be a useful strategy in addressing the root of the issue.

This is probably a correct statement, but the goal of banning it isn't to reform islamic countries. It's to prevent a spread of extremists / islamists to other countries. This is generally not really a problem in America. I've lived here for almost all my life and I've only ever seen a single Niqab actually being worn as normal clothing, and never a burqa.

European countries get a bit more exposure to it.

That might go over better in America then. If you tried to ban the burqa here you'd get...well, look at what happened in France.

Please tell me you aren't suggesting European nations should capitulate to conservative and radical Islam out of fear of violent retaliation.
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Chicken posted...

No because literally anyone can put one on and be unrecognizable. Male or female.

That's the point.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

nope and it blows my mind that women willingly wear them. when i see one i feel like its the woman saying "i'm cool with being treated as inferior to my male counterparts". i understand that some of them view it as a cultural thing, but the REASON it became a cultural thing was because of repression and sexism.

The sad thing is, they repress themselves.
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I honestly don't care. We act like every woman who wears one is oppressed by her husband and religion. But I live in Philly (has a very high Muslim population) and I walk by people wearing one everyday, and they're living their lives like every other American just in a burqa. I mean you see people on their phones, taking their kids to school, riding public transportation, getting lunch at the food trucks, etc. I understand how people are saying that these women are oppressed, but many don't see it that way. My only thought is how hot it must be on our 90 degree days =(
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justaguy3492 posted...

My only thought is how hot it must be on our 90 degree days =(

At some point, overdressing starts keeping heat out.

Esrac posted...

Please tell me you aren't suggesting European nations should capitulate to conservative and radical Islam out of fear of violent retaliation.

No, I'm suggesting it might do more harm than good to attempt to draw a blanket ban on a style of clothing worn by Muslims when there are literally millions of Muslims in the UK already.

I know how I would feel if people told me I couldn't wear t-shirts anymore, in the country I consider myself to be a citizen of.
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I oppose them because there are some hot ass women under there
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Honestly, i've seen them being worn around from time to time and it never bothers me.

Places like banks are clearly an issue, but you'd think we could come up with a more tactful and less moronic approach than banning an item of clothing from society altogether.

I don't agree with the situation where women being forced to wear it, but i'm also not one of those pissfaces that act like they give a shit about women's rights just to have a pretext on the issue.
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Burka is oppressive to women hell the whole culture is oppressive to women.

But for some fucked up reason liberals defend the fuck out of it and in the same breath shout oppression about the most ridiculous shit.
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No I do not
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All burqa bans really do is replace one form of oppression with another.

HypnoCoosh posted...

But for some fucked up reason liberals

Only 12% voted yes, you don't think this board leans that heavily right do you?
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