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The Great Muta 22
08/18/17 4:48:05 PM
#51:


BLAKUboy posted...
gamepimp12 posted...
I never got how people wanting us to stop honoring dark history and villians turned into wanting to erase history.

What's worse is the statues in question were attempts to erase history, whitewashing the Confederate legacy.


Yeah there's that too. Which is why the whole "erase history" argument rings as disingenuous to me. When you have the majority of these statues erected during the Civil Rights movement it's clear they weren't built to "honor history", they were built at best to reshape history and at worse to intimidate people.
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Jabodie
08/18/17 4:48:08 PM
#52:


Santorin posted...
Probably for the same reason we fail to recognize and admit people like to forget that salves were sold to the man by West Africans during the Atlantic Slave Trade. But we wouldn't want to give credit where credit it due would we.

I mean, in modern times there's nobody in the conversation who isn't aware of this.

It is only brought up as an extremely weak way to deflect from the relevant conversation in American politics and history: what actual Americans were and are doing as opposed to a foreign country.
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averagejoel
08/18/17 4:48:26 PM
#53:


imagine putting a monument to Al Qaeda up at Ground Zero and framing people who don't want it there as though they're erasing history
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UnfairRepresent
08/18/17 4:48:27 PM
#54:


gamepimp12 posted...
I never got how people wanting us to stop honoring dark history and villians turned into wanting to erase history.

That's because ironically you've never actually looked at history


If you did you'd realize the path of people who want to erase and destroy it always ends badly.

From the spartans to the Library of Alexandria to Nazis to The Islamic State to Stalin.

The people who try to hide, erase and deface history are the ones who don't learn from it and it always results in pain and ignorance.

History occured, things happen and exist. Trying to remove accounts of them in as many forms as possible is a bad thing that only ends pourly.

There is no historical account ever that I am aware of which entailed a group of angry emotional unintelligent people trying to destroying history they dislike that ended in any way positively for anyone.

But because said people don't actually look at the history they claim to care about, they don't realize this
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gamepimp12
08/18/17 4:50:48 PM
#55:


UnfairRepresent posted...
gamepimp12 posted...
I never got how people wanting us to stop honoring dark history and villians turned into wanting to erase history.

That's because ironically you've never actually looked at history


If you did you'd realize the path of people who want to erase and destroy it always ends badly.

From the spartans to the Library of Alexandria to Nazis to The Islamic State to Stalin.

The people who try to hide, erase and deface history are the ones who don't learn from it and it always results in pain and ignorance.

History occured, things happen and exist. Trying to remove accounts of them in as many forms as possible is a bad thing that only ends pourly.

There is no historical account ever that I am aware of which entailed a group of angry emotional unintelligent people trying to destroying history they dislike that ended in any way positively for anyone.

But because said people don't actually look at the history they claim to care about, they don't realize this



You missed the entire point of my post
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Santorin
08/18/17 4:52:52 PM
#56:


Jabodie posted...
Santorin posted...
Probably for the same reason we fail to recognize and admit people like to forget that salves were sold to the man by West Africans during the Atlantic Slave Trade. But we wouldn't want to give credit where credit it due would we.

I mean, in modern times there's nobody in the conversation who isn't aware of this.

It is only brought up as an extremely weak way to deflect from the relevant conversation in American politics and history: what actual Americans were and are doing as opposed to a foreign country.


No people literally want to be like "my ancestors were slaves by white people and you're white so you're bad!!!" but they forget West Africans sold their own people as slaves during the Atlantic Slave Trade and when you bring it up they are double-standard hypocrites about it. Cherry picking the past to drive their victim narrative implanted my a socialist government meant to control their every aspect of life.

Yet "but you're white and I was told what white people are bad because SLAVERY!!!!"

It's pretty obvious to see who the irrational ones here are.
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UnfairRepresent
08/18/17 4:53:00 PM
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I'm not convinced I did
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Xelltrix
08/18/17 4:53:57 PM
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Did OP post pics of his aunt yet?
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Santorin
08/18/17 4:55:17 PM
#61:


CrimsonRage posted...
Santorin posted...
Jabodie posted...
Santorin posted...
Probably for the same reason we fail to recognize and admit people like to forget that salves were sold to the man by West Africans during the Atlantic Slave Trade. But we wouldn't want to give credit where credit it due would we.

I mean, in modern times there's nobody in the conversation who isn't aware of this.

It is only brought up as an extremely weak way to deflect from the relevant conversation in American politics and history: what actual Americans were and are doing as opposed to a foreign country.


No people literally want to be like "my ancestors were slaves by white people and you're white so you're bad!!!" but they forget West Africans sold their own people as slaves during the Atlantic Slave Trade and when you bring it up they are double-standard hypocrites about it. Cherry picking the past to drive their victim narrative implanted my a socialist government meant to control their every aspect of life.

Yet "but you're white and I was told what white people are bad because SLAVERY!!!!"

It's pretty obvious to see who the irrational ones here are.


Close your account


Can't handle the truth huh.
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UnfairRepresent
08/18/17 4:56:25 PM
#62:


"Im sick of people comparing destroying history to distroying history. I disliked this history so it's OKAY to destroy that. What part of that is hard to understand!?"

And the cycle begins anew.

The people who set the library of Alexandria alight didnt think they lost anything of value either
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The Great Muta 22
08/18/17 4:56:52 PM
#63:


UnfairRepresent posted...
There is no historical account ever that I am aware of which entailed a group of angry emotional unintelligent people trying to destroying history they dislike that ended in any way positively for anyone.


You do realize the during the whole "American Revolution" thing we tore down statues of King George right? Or that the statues of Stalin and Lenin were tore down after the fall of the Soviet Bloc?

And you're calling others out for being ignorant of history?
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Jabodie
08/18/17 4:58:30 PM
#65:


Santorin posted...

No people literally want to be like "my ancestors were slaves by white people and you're white so you're bad!!!" but they forget West Africans sold their own people as slaves during the Atlantic Slave Trade and when you bring it up they are double-standard hypocrites about it. Cherry picking the past to drive their victim narrative implanted my a socialist government meant to control their every aspect of life.

Yet "but you're white and I was told what white people are bad because SLAVERY!!!!"

It's pretty obvious to see who the irrational ones here are.

Before I reply, are you a follower of Alex Jones?
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hollow_shrine
08/18/17 4:58:47 PM
#66:


CrimsonRage posted...
I wish people would stop comparing this to ISIS and Taliban destroying ancient artifacts and statues. These aren't relics from a long dead civilisation. These are shitty statues erected by racists a few decades ago. You're not losing anything of value getting rid of them.

Also for all that ISIS destroys, a lot of it is also being looted and sold to further finance themselves. The 'how' may look similar but both the 'how' and 'why' are slightly different between these groups.
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gamepimp12
08/18/17 5:02:35 PM
#68:


UnfairRepresent posted...
I'm not convinced I did


My post wasn't about removing history it was about the importance of history, especially neagtive history being told without bias.

A fucking statue on government ground is pretty clealry some bias.

And how wanting that turned into "THEY WANT TO FORGET ABOUT HISTORY (cept slavery cause y'all want us to forget that)"

Which is ironic cause that's just what you did to that post
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The Great Muta 22
08/18/17 5:02:59 PM
#69:


Santorin posted...
No people literally want to be like "my ancestors were slaves by white people and you're white so you're bad!!!" but they forget West Africans sold their own people as slaves during the Atlantic Slave Trade and when you bring it up they are double-standard hypocrites about it. Cherry picking the past to drive their victim narrative implanted my a socialist government meant to control their every aspect of life.

Yet "but you're white and I was told what white people are bad because SLAVERY!!!!"


Sure, we absolutely need to inform people that the people sold into slavery were more often than not other tribes that were conquered in Africa.

We also should point out that the use of slave labor in the US extended far past other European countries and that the US system of plantation slavery was by far unique to the US compared to the rest of the world.
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Atl_Star
08/18/17 7:56:26 PM
#70:


Chad-Henne posted...
Xelltrix posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
is she hot?
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Benjamin_Sisko
08/18/17 8:35:58 PM
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AimlessDork
08/18/17 9:02:17 PM
#72:


Antifar posted...
Rexdragon125 posted...
The "everybody's a winner" generation is coming of age where they have influence.

We're talking about giant statues to the losers of a war.

My endgoal is we're going to rename the statues to Participation Trophies since that's what they are.
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Suchomimus
08/18/17 9:05:44 PM
#73:


Because Trump
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tommybel89
08/18/17 9:41:00 PM
#74:


Ask a statue hater why Obama didn't take care of the statue problem. Watch their head explode when they try to rationalize it.
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tommybel89
08/18/17 9:42:07 PM
#75:


Benjamin_Sisko posted...
where are the fucking pics of the aunt

Quick, someone post a picture of Marissa Tomei in Spider-Man!!!
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The Great Muta 22
08/18/17 9:52:33 PM
#76:


tommybel89 posted...
Ask a statue hater why Obama didn't take care of the statue problem. Watch their head explode when they try to rationalize it.


Be honest, you stole this from The_Dipshit didn't you?
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3rd_Best_Master
08/18/17 9:54:10 PM
#77:


tommybel89 posted...
Ask a statue hater why Obama didn't take care of the statue problem. Watch their head explode when they try to rationalize it.

Just how much authority do you think the president even has?
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KingCrabCake
08/18/17 10:02:17 PM
#78:


Can't wait to knock down the pyramids in Egypt
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The Great Muta 22
08/18/17 10:03:37 PM
#79:


3rd_Best_Master posted...
tommybel89 posted...
Ask a statue hater why Obama didn't take care of the statue problem. Watch their head explode when they try to rationalize it.

Just how much authority do you think the president even has?


Remember, a lot of these people feel Obama controlled everything in government for 8 years.

Including our CURRENT president lmao
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3rd_Best_Master
08/18/17 10:04:36 PM
#80:


Were the pyramids also built in the 60s in order to racially intimidate black people during the Civil Rights movement?
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KingCrabCake
08/18/17 10:04:57 PM
#81:


Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Rexdragon125 posted...
The "everybody's a winner" generation


At least they're not building statues to and for losers.

That requires money
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BootyGif
08/18/17 10:05:48 PM
#82:


Cared more about the white supremacists than the statue
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KingCrabCake
08/18/17 10:06:09 PM
#83:


3rd_Best_Master posted...
Were the pyramids also built in the 60s in order to racially intimidate black people during the Civil Rights movement?

Built by slaves
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nicklebro
08/18/17 10:07:04 PM
#84:


KingCrabCake posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
Were the pyramids also built in the 60s in order to racially intimidate black people during the Civil Rights movement?

Built by slaves

Don't think that's actually true.
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3rd_Best_Master
08/18/17 10:07:12 PM
#85:


KingCrabCake posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
Were the pyramids also built in the 60s in order to racially intimidate black people during the Civil Rights movement?

Built by slaves

Prove it or close your account.
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Antifar
08/18/17 10:07:20 PM
#86:


KingCrabCake posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
Were the pyramids also built in the 60s in order to racially intimidate black people during the Civil Rights movement?

Built by slaves

So was the White House. No one's calling for that to be torn down. Just monuments to Confederate slavers.


Context: it exists!
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KingCrabCake
08/18/17 10:09:14 PM
#87:


Antifar posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
Were the pyramids also built in the 60s in order to racially intimidate black people during the Civil Rights movement?

Built by slaves

So was the White House. No one's calling for that to be torn down. Just monuments to Confederate slavers.


Context: it exists!


So its okay if its built by slaves as long its for winners?
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3rd_Best_Master
08/18/17 10:10:14 PM
#88:


KingCrabCake posted...
Antifar posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
Were the pyramids also built in the 60s in order to racially intimidate black people during the Civil Rights movement?

Built by slaves

So was the White House. No one's calling for that to be torn down. Just monuments to Confederate slavers.


Context: it exists!


So its okay if its built by slaves as long its for winners?

Was the White House also built in the Civil Rights era just to intimidate black people?
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tommybel89
08/18/17 10:10:28 PM
#89:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
tommybel89 posted...
Ask a statue hater why Obama didn't take care of the statue problem. Watch their head explode when they try to rationalize it.


Be honest, you stole this from The_Dipshit didn't you?

Paraphrased it from Twitter.
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Antifar
08/18/17 10:11:45 PM
#90:


KingCrabCake posted...
So its okay if its built by slaves as long its for winners?

I'm sorry, do you think the problem people have with Confederate monuments is that they were built by slaves? Because
A) they weren't
B) The problem people have with them is that they glorify tyrants who fought to uphold that tyranny over an entire race of people.
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tommybel89
08/18/17 10:11:48 PM
#91:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
tommybel89 posted...
Ask a statue hater why Obama didn't take care of the statue problem. Watch their head explode when they try to rationalize it.

Just how much authority do you think the president even has?


Remember, a lot of these people feel Obama controlled everything in government for 8 years.

Including our CURRENT president lmao

Oh I know the position is ultimately a joke. It's reality TV.
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AimlessDork
08/18/17 11:28:09 PM
#92:


KingCrabCake posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
Were the pyramids also built in the 60s in order to racially intimidate black people during the Civil Rights movement?

Built by slaves

-Actual ANE Historian here, no, they weren't.-
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WizardofHoth
08/18/17 11:32:17 PM
#93:


Gee with people being butthurt over "confederate" statues, maybe the statue of liberty should be torn down too
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UnfairRepresent
08/19/17 3:02:34 AM
#94:


WizardofHoth posted...
Gee with people being butthurt over "confederate" statues, maybe the statue of liberty should be torn down too

wut
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ChromaticAngel
08/19/17 8:23:17 AM
#95:


KingCrabCake posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
Were the pyramids also built in the 60s in order to racially intimidate black people during the Civil Rights movement?

Built by slaves

They were built by the citizens during the flood season, not slaves.
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KiwiTerraRizing
08/19/17 8:31:41 AM
#96:


You know NC put up dozens of Confederate statues in the last 15 years?

They aren't all old.
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iPhone_7
08/19/17 8:33:38 AM
#97:


This topic is filled with so much stupidity that a monument should be built for it.


And then torn down.
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Xelltrix
08/19/17 9:16:28 AM
#99:


100 posts and no hot aunt pics wtf.
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wah_wah_wah
08/19/17 9:20:13 AM
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Black people didn't have any input into the building of those statues. The reason why they are being torn down now is a logical consequence of black people having greater franchise in today's society. This is also something that happens every single generation. There's always going to be shit our parents did or supported that we're going to look back on and say, that's not right. To simply continue honoring that even when we know it is wrong is to cultivate hypocrisy.
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