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KingCrabCake
08/21/17 1:35:10 AM
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Last season was fucking terrible. It was painful to go thru and binge watching the show really made everyone's character development implosion stand out.

Give the show a 8/10
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boxington
08/21/17 1:36:15 AM
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idk, I really enjoyed the last season.

it wasn't as good as seasons three or four, but it was still good, IMO.
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YookaLaylee
08/21/17 1:36:58 AM
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I finished watching it today too. The ending wasn't satisfying. It didn't feel epic enough.
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Phantom_Nook
08/21/17 1:37:09 AM
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KingCrabCake posted...
Last season was fucking terrible.

lol no
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Gamer99z
08/21/17 1:37:10 AM
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The last season was stellar and it's easily a 10/10 show.
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TheDarkCircle
08/21/17 1:37:24 AM
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Really?

I thought the last few episodes were the best television ever.

I'll say parts of the first half of the last season pushed the boundaries of believability for me. Sometimes Walt's genius worked almost too conveniently, but in the end when it all comes crashing down it makes that feel like the point. It would never last.
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Jabodie
08/21/17 1:40:08 AM
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Personally, I feel like it just went too fast. The pacing was very different from the rest of the show.

Usually you get moments of reflection every step of the way to really get into the characters heads. The last eight episodes, to me, felt like a huge plot dump that didn't focus enough on the slower moments of emotion and reflection.
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YookaLaylee
08/21/17 1:42:45 AM
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TheDarkCircle posted...
Really?

I thought the last few episodes were the best television ever.

I'll say parts of the first half of the last season pushed the boundaries of believability for me. Sometimes Walt's genius worked almost too conveniently, but in the end when it all comes crashing down it makes that feel like the point. It would never last.

He wasn't really a genius though. He kept making bad mistake after bad mistake. Walt was way too greedy and overzealous and it blew up in his face every time. And he would usually turn around and act like it was someone else's fault instead of accepting the blame. The last we episodes weren't that great because they waited too long to make Walt finally decide to fix things (the end of the second to last episode) and then they had to rush to tie up all the loose ends. There wasn't enough time to give Walt a grandiose ending. I think it would've been better if Jesse was tired of living with all his guilt and he and Walt agreed to die together before the cops showed up.
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Kisai
08/21/17 1:43:53 AM
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YookaLaylee posted...
I finished watching it today too. The ending wasn't satisfying. It didn't feel epic enough.

It would have been more epic if the final confrontation was between Walt and Hank, and ONLY Walt and Hank. Not throwing in some random gang as the antagonist.
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CruelBuffalo
08/21/17 1:44:01 AM
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Why would Jessie want to die with Walt...he hated Walt for always manipulating and getting away with everything that ending would make no sense.


It would have been more epic if the final confrontation was between Walt and Hank, and ONLY Walt and Hank. Not throwing in some random gang as the antagonist.


Why? Walt wouldn't hurt Hank...so it would be one sided..and Hank wasn't gonna kill Walt...it would just be Hank trying to arrest Walt
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TheDarkCircle
08/21/17 1:44:03 AM
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YookaLaylee posted...
TheDarkCircle posted...
Really?

I thought the last few episodes were the best television ever.

I'll say parts of the first half of the last season pushed the boundaries of believability for me. Sometimes Walt's genius worked almost too conveniently, but in the end when it all comes crashing down it makes that feel like the point. It would never last.

Jesse was tired of living with all his guilt and he and Walt agreed to die together before the cops showed up.


LOL thats an awful ending you should feel bad for sharing
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YookaLaylee
08/21/17 1:45:29 AM
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TheDarkCircle posted...
YookaLaylee posted...
TheDarkCircle posted...
Really?

I thought the last few episodes were the best television ever.

I'll say parts of the first half of the last season pushed the boundaries of believability for me. Sometimes Walt's genius worked almost too conveniently, but in the end when it all comes crashing down it makes that feel like the point. It would never last.

Jesse was tired of living with all his guilt and he and Walt agreed to die together before the cops showed up.


LOL thats an awful ending you should feel bad for sharing

It's better than Walt accidentally shooting himself and then slowly bleeding out. It gives them closure and feels a little more personal
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Jabodie
08/21/17 1:47:15 AM
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I'll add to what I said:

I think the broad strokes of the plot were good choices overall. But some of the best scenes/scenarios in the series were the slow ones: the pillow talking scene in the early show, the scenes where Jesse deals with his guilt and addictions, etc.

The last eight episodes were a sped up version of what I would call an ideal last season.
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RickyTheBAWSE
08/21/17 1:47:47 AM
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it got stupid when Walt's purpose for starting in the first place was no longer an issue, and he continued. it got progressively more silly after that.
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Dash_Harber
08/21/17 1:49:58 AM
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KingCrabCake posted...
Last season was fucking terrible.


Thank you! Finally someone who agrees.

Season 4 was such a perfect ending. A few more episodes or a few tweaks and they could have resolved everything. Instead we got cartoonish Nazi bad guys, Walt becoming a Saturday morning cartoon villain, and an unbearably long season that just sort of wallowed in it's own popularity.
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CruelBuffalo
08/21/17 1:50:46 AM
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YookaLaylee posted...
TheDarkCircle posted...
YookaLaylee posted...
TheDarkCircle posted...
Really?

I thought the last few episodes were the best television ever.

I'll say parts of the first half of the last season pushed the boundaries of believability for me. Sometimes Walt's genius worked almost too conveniently, but in the end when it all comes crashing down it makes that feel like the point. It would never last.

Jesse was tired of living with all his guilt and he and Walt agreed to die together before the cops showed up.


LOL thats an awful ending you should feel bad for sharing

It's better than Walt accidentally shooting himself and then slowly bleeding out. It gives them closure and feels a little more personal


What closure would Jessie need with Walt?
Jessie hates Walt, Walt is the cause of all the drama and he continues to manipulate. It's why Jessie started screaming with anger while he drove away because (while he was saved) Walt STILL gets away with it and gets what he wants.

Walt was gonna die from cancer regardless, so him bleeding out in the lab (which he truly loved) is a very poetic and does actually provide closure.

Also to some others, a good way to look at if you understand the series is to understand the following statement.

If you think Walt did all this drug dealing just for his family (or even mostly for his family) then you really didn't understand the story.
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CruelBuffalo
08/21/17 1:51:45 AM
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
it got stupid when Walt's purpose for starting in the first place was no longer an issue, and he continued. it got progressively more silly after that.


Because him cooking meth wasn't about his family...he even finally admitted so during the final season to his wife...
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Kisai
08/21/17 1:53:37 AM
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CruelBuffalo posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
it got stupid when Walt's purpose for starting in the first place was no longer an issue, and he continued. it got progressively more silly after that.


Because him cooking meth wasn't about his family...he even finally admitted so during the final season to his wife...

That's what they had to come up with at the end to justify why he would continue in the first place.
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CruelBuffalo
08/21/17 1:56:36 AM
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Kisai posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
it got stupid when Walt's purpose for starting in the first place was no longer an issue, and he continued. it got progressively more silly after that.


Because him cooking meth wasn't about his family...he even finally admitted so during the final season to his wife...

That's what they had to come up with at the end to justify why he would continue in the first place.


And you know this how? If he really just cared about his family he would have taken the money to pay for his cancer treatment

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fan357
08/21/17 1:57:46 AM
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The ending was about as perfect as it could be. Everything was realistically wrapped up.
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DrizztLink
08/21/17 1:58:54 AM
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The people who didn't like the last season are the people who flat-out didn't understand the show.

Case in point, a few posts in this topic.
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Kisai
08/21/17 2:02:42 AM
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CruelBuffalo posted...
And you know this how? If he really just cared about his family he would have taken the money to pay for his cancer treatment

But then they wouldn't have any more show.

CruelBuffalo posted...
It seems to me you guys are upset that Walt isn't a hero and you wanted an ending where Walt didn't have to deal with the repercussion of his manipulation and actions that put himself over the family.

Admittedly, Walt didn't seem like a bad guy when they first started writing him. But much later, like around season 4 or 5, it felt like his character had changed, kinda. Then again, Vince Gilligan had said that their original idea was to "take Mr. Chips and turn him into Scarface", and if that really was their intention from the very beginning, then I'd say they did pretty well on that. Because near the end, it was like they were writing a totally different character. I can't imagine season 1 Walt giving that threatening and disturbing, "I am the danger" speech to his wife. I never expected Walt to be a hero, I just expected some consistency with the character, and not having to resort to excuses as to why he did some of the dumb things he did, or why he changed in character. But like I said, if that really was their intention from the very beginning for him to change, then...
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MrDrMan
08/21/17 2:02:58 AM
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Your opinion was confirmed trash when you said any part of Breaking Bad was terrible
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MabusIncarnate
08/21/17 2:04:03 AM
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Not sure if trolling, or...
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MrDrMan
08/21/17 2:07:40 AM
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YookaLaylee posted...
TheDarkCircle posted...
YookaLaylee posted...
TheDarkCircle posted...
Really?

I thought the last few episodes were the best television ever.

I'll say parts of the first half of the last season pushed the boundaries of believability for me. Sometimes Walt's genius worked almost too conveniently, but in the end when it all comes crashing down it makes that feel like the point. It would never last.

Jesse was tired of living with all his guilt and he and Walt agreed to die together before the cops showed up.


LOL thats an awful ending you should feel bad for sharing

It's better than Walt accidentally shooting himself and then slowly bleeding out. It gives them closure and feels a little more personal


You say accidentally as if he had no idea it was a possibility. He went in there knowing damn well he was on his last legs. Walt didn't plan to live much longer at all.

The way the show ended made perfect sense. Walt wasn't lying at all when he told Hank in a year there would be nobody to convict. His cancer was going to kill him if those bullets hadn't.

His last wish was to kill the guys that took all his money. Saving Jesse ended up as icing on the cake. Walt was consistent til the end.
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Malfurion
08/21/17 2:10:15 AM
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That's just your lame opinion. Breaking Bad is probably one of GOAT TV shows I've ever watched.
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Dash_Harber
08/21/17 4:04:07 AM
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DrizztLink posted...
The people who didn't like the last season are the people who flat-out didn't understand the show.

Case in point, a few posts in this topic.


I think that is a broad conclusion to make. I get the show. Walt cloaked his hubris in the need to provide and continued because his ego wouldn't allow him to quit. Good story.

What I don't like is that Walt turned from "complicated man out of his element but surviving none-the-less" to outright Lex Luthor style super villain. It felt forced and cartoony. The Nazis felt like a desperate attempt to make a villain most people would hate more than Walt, but their beliefs never actually had any impact on the show. They could have been literally any criminal organization, but Nazis were chosen obviously so they could keep Walt at least a bit morally grey. On top of that, Hank went completely off character, going from 'an ass who is good at his job' to a complete failure of a cop. That's not to mention how long and drawn out it was. It felt like episodes were padded.

I'm not saying it's a bad show, by any means. It's not my personal favorite, but I get its popularity and I think it deserves some credit. The last season was just crap, though.
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Guerrilla Soldier
08/21/17 4:13:15 AM
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gotta agree with the last season being weak
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faizan_faizan
08/21/17 5:42:20 AM
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10/10 show, easily the best TV show there is.
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fan357
08/21/17 5:44:20 AM
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Walter didn't accidentally shoot himself. He planned a suicide run against the Nazis and Jesse. That's why he went to see Skylar and his kids for the last time.
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ReignFury
08/21/17 5:46:11 AM
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YookaLaylee posted...
I finished watching it today too. The ending wasn't satisfying. It didn't feel epic enough.


Thats because hes not dead, hes in prison waiting for the series to be revived.
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Joenage
08/21/17 7:42:33 AM
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Gus really should've stayed the main antagonist through the final season, the whole Neo-Nazi stuff kinda came out of nowhere.
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FrenchCrunch
08/21/17 7:52:36 AM
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yeah i think seasons 4 and 5 were both large drops in quality
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myzz7
08/21/17 7:59:48 AM
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FrenchCrunch posted...
yeah i think seasons 4 and 5 were both large drops in quality

is this the new hipster opinion - its terrible.
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ItsVinceRusso
08/21/17 8:00:17 AM
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they could've gone 2-3 more seasons with walt as the main antagonist tbh.
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Choco
08/21/17 8:03:19 AM
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COVxy
08/21/17 8:09:55 AM
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DrizztLink posted...
The people who didn't like the last season are the people who flat-out didn't understand the show.

Case in point, a few posts in this topic.


This is true.

I mean, it's very clear that Walt was never actually a good guy (in the time of the show), but was simply powerless. Given power, Walt's true characteristics are born out. That was the entire point of the show.
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FrenchCrunch
08/21/17 8:43:12 AM
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myzz7 posted...
FrenchCrunch posted...
yeah i think seasons 4 and 5 were both large drops in quality

is this the new hipster opinion - its terrible.

how is this hipster? cant i just think this?
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ReignFury
08/21/17 9:19:01 AM
#40:


FrenchCrunch posted...
myzz7 posted...
FrenchCrunch posted...
yeah i think seasons 4 and 5 were both large drops in quality

is this the new hipster opinion - its terrible.

how is this hipster? cant i just think this?


Its not a hipster opinion its a contrarian opinion
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ReignFury
08/21/17 9:20:04 AM
#41:


ItsVinceRusso posted...
they could've gone 2-3 more seasons with walt as the main antagonist tbh.


Yes! He needed to turn into Gus.
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faizan_faizan
08/21/17 9:44:38 AM
#42:


ReignFury posted...
FrenchCrunch posted...
myzz7 posted...
FrenchCrunch posted...
yeah i think seasons 4 and 5 were both large drops in quality

is this the new hipster opinion - its terrible.

how is this hipster? cant i just think this?


Its not a hipster opinion its a contrarian opinion

What's the difference?
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KingCrabCake
08/21/17 9:57:18 AM
#43:


myzz7 posted...
FrenchCrunch posted...
yeah i think seasons 4 and 5 were both large drops in quality

is this the new hipster opinion - its terrible.


No the new hipster opinion is what ur doing
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Phantom_Nook
08/21/17 10:07:34 AM
#44:


ReignFury posted...
ItsVinceRusso posted...
they could've gone 2-3 more seasons with walt as the main antagonist tbh.


Yes! He needed to turn into Gus.

Season 5 had him trying to be Gus, but shit kept getting in the way.
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FrenchCrunch
08/21/17 10:29:20 AM
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ReignFury posted...
FrenchCrunch posted...
myzz7 posted...
FrenchCrunch posted...
yeah i think seasons 4 and 5 were both large drops in quality

is this the new hipster opinion - its terrible.

how is this hipster? cant i just think this?


Its not a hipster opinion its a contrarian opinion

it's contrarian due to the fact it's not the majority opinion, but that in and of itself doesnt mean anything
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Blackstar110
08/21/17 10:38:12 AM
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People who think the neo-nazi thing came out of nowhere again just weren't really thinking critically about them.

The point was that they WEREN'T some big, malevolent, genius force like Gus or the Cartel. They were the leftovers. They were the unstable remains of a drug trade that Walt blew up and then promptly abandoned because he suddenly decided it was time to be a family man. It was like pulling out of the middle east too soon after deposing Hussein. They were unorganized, sloppy, needlessly violent, messy. They're an embodiment of Walt's chickens coming home to roost. Walt remade the meth industry in his image, because as Mike said, he just "had to be the man," then decided "eh, never mind, I'll just hand this whole thing over to Lydia. She seems stable." Walt reaped what he'd sown there.

Uncle Jack and his gang might be the faces of the antagonists in Season 5, but the true antagonist of Season 5 is Walt, or more accurately, Walt's hubris, greed, and selfish mistakes.
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ReignFury
08/21/17 12:31:29 PM
#47:


FrenchCrunch posted...
ReignFury posted...
FrenchCrunch posted...
myzz7 posted...
FrenchCrunch posted...
yeah i think seasons 4 and 5 were both large drops in quality

is this the new hipster opinion - its terrible.

how is this hipster? cant i just think this?


Its not a hipster opinion its a contrarian opinion

it's contrarian due to the fact it's not the majority opinion, but that in and of itself doesnt mean anything


The implication is that its arbitrary for arbitrary's sake
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FrenchCrunch
08/21/17 1:01:42 PM
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ReignFury posted...
The implication is that its arbitrary for arbitrary's sake

man i cant help what i like. cant i just not like something because i didnt think it was good
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Dash_Harber
08/22/17 12:25:34 AM
#49:


Blackstar110 posted...
People who think the neo-nazi thing came out of nowhere again just weren't really thinking critically about them.

The point was that they WEREN'T some big, malevolent, genius force like Gus or the Cartel. They were the leftovers. They were the unstable remains of a drug trade that Walt blew up and then promptly abandoned because he suddenly decided it was time to be a family man. It was like pulling out of the middle east too soon after deposing Hussein. They were unorganized, sloppy, needlessly violent, messy. They're an embodiment of Walt's chickens coming home to roost. Walt remade the meth industry in his image, because as Mike said, he just "had to be the man," then decided "eh, never mind, I'll just hand this whole thing over to Lydia. She seems stable." Walt reaped what he'd sown there.

Uncle Jack and his gang might be the faces of the antagonists in Season 5, but the true antagonist of Season 5 is Walt, or more accurately, Walt's hubris, greed, and selfish mistakes.


But that is literally what I was saying. They could have been literally anything, but it was ham-handed to make the Nazis so people would assume they were villains and somehow, randomly still sorta cheer for Walt until the realization that he was the monster. It's shitty writing, because they wrote themselves into a corner at the end of Season 4 and suddenly had to back track a bit to keep the moral ambiguity alive.
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KlRBEH
08/22/17 12:27:27 AM
#50:


KingCrabCake posted...
Last season was fucking terrible.

lmfao you're a clown
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