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frozenshock
08/21/17 6:30:50 AM
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Do we really HAVE to say "he or she" every time we give a fucking example about fucking anything?

Why are people always looking so hard to find any small little thing that could potentially be offensive?
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Flasbangs
08/21/17 6:48:58 AM
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Just don't care? I feel satisfaction every time I've offended an idiot.
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Nikra
08/21/17 6:52:13 AM
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Just ignore them. I do.
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RebelElite791
08/22/17 8:23:38 PM
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So if you're bothered by "he or she" why do you oppose the idea of a neuter pronoun? Or just saying "they/them/their"?
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Laserion
08/22/17 8:25:54 PM
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"That person"
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frozenshock
08/22/17 8:25:55 PM
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RebelElite791 posted...
So if you're bothered by "he or she" why do you oppose the idea of a neuter pronoun? Or just saying "they/them/their"?


I oppose changing the language.

Just using "he" for a random generic person was fine forever until recently where people started complaining about everything under the sun being offensive
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Axiom
08/22/17 8:27:29 PM
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frozenshock posted...
Just using "he" for a random generic person was fine forever until recently where people started complaining about everything under the sun being offensive

I don't actually care to use any specifically made up pronouns but when has "he" ever been used as a general pronoun. I've never heard this before
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fuzzylittlbunny
08/22/17 8:30:25 PM
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This really is true. Like how they stopped saying "ladies and gentlemen" on a train station announcement <_<
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frozenshock
08/22/17 8:32:01 PM
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Captain_Qwark posted...
I've always just used "they"

who taught you to always say "he" in every random generic situation?


I was taught that 'he' was the pronoun to use when the gender if the person is unknown (aka, a random generic person)

It's the same in many languages actually.

But then...

http://www.learnersdictionary.com/qa/the-he-or-she-dilemma

About 30 years ago, some people began objecting to the use of he in this way, saying that it did not include women and was sexist. So some people began to use he or she and him or her instead of he. The main problem with this construction is that it can be very awkward ("If the student wants a copy of his or her transcript, he or she should go to the Registrar's Office.") or its use is inconsistent within the same sentence ("If the student wants a copy of his or her transcript, they should go to the Registrar's Office."). To try to make it less awkward, writers sometimes use the shortened forms s/he for "she or he" or him/her for "him or her." This is not as awkward in writing, but it can still be awkward in spoken English.

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leebul
08/22/17 8:33:26 PM
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Kids & teenagers have also and they continue to find more ways to butcher it seemingly everyday.
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Skye Reynolds
08/22/17 8:33:44 PM
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singular "they" is a grammatical necessity
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Axiom
08/22/17 8:34:34 PM
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frozenshock posted...
Captain_Qwark posted...
I've always just used "they"

who taught you to always say "he" in every random generic situation?


I was taught that 'he' was the pronoun to use when the gender if the person is unknown (aka, a random generic person)

It's the same in many languages actually.

But then...

http://www.learnersdictionary.com/qa/the-he-or-she-dilemma

About 30 years ago, some people began objecting to the use of he in this way, saying that it did not include women and was sexist. So some people began to use he or she and him or her instead of he. The main problem with this construction is that it can be very awkward ("If the student wants a copy of his or her transcript, he or she should go to the Registrar's Office.") or its use is inconsistent within the same sentence ("If the student wants a copy of his or her transcript, they should go to the Registrar's Office."). To try to make it less awkward, writers sometimes use the shortened forms s/he for "she or he" or him/her for "him or her." This is not as awkward in writing, but it can still be awkward in spoken English.

Situations like that is exactly why they exists like Qwark pointed out. Using he is just weird and I didn't know people even did that until this topic
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frozenshock
08/22/17 8:36:55 PM
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In my case I grew up using he this way and it just seems normal and harmless to me... I always thought it's just a grammar thing and it's not supposed to offend anybody.

I feel like we live in a generation of extreme self censorship... it's like if we constantly have to be careful of every thing we do or else someone will get offended. I'm not saying we should be able to whip it out on a public bus or something, but...
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hockeybub89
08/22/17 8:36:55 PM
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frozenshock posted...
I oppose changing the language.

I have some bad news for you. We've been doing that for centuries. I don't see language purists whining about how we stopped writing in Old English.

This is just a lame topic whining about political correctness and/or millennials.
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frozenshock
08/22/17 8:38:18 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
frozenshock posted...
I oppose changing the language.

I have some bad news for you. We've been doing that for centuries. I don't see language purists whining about how we stopped writing in Old English.

This is just a lame topic whining about political correctness and/or millennials.


Languages evolve with time, but that's not the same as just going guerilla warfare on every little grammatical quirk that could be offensive
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RebelElite791
08/22/17 8:40:07 PM
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You know nothing about language or linguistics.
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hockeybub89
08/22/17 8:43:02 PM
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frozenshock posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
frozenshock posted...
I oppose changing the language.

I have some bad news for you. We've been doing that for centuries. I don't see language purists whining about how we stopped writing in Old English.

This is just a lame topic whining about political correctness and/or millennials.


Languages evolve with time, but that's not the same as just going guerilla warfare on every little grammatical quirk that could be offensive

Singular they or him/her just makes more sense than awkward calling everyone "he" and "him". I don't think it's sexist, but I have a sneaking suspicion that was part of the reason many moons ago when it originated. It's no secret women used to be second-class.

You act as if this started last year, but I was never even taught to call everyone "he" and I"m almost 30 and went to Catholic school.
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Zodd3224
08/22/17 8:44:51 PM
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I've never used "he" when sex was unknown...

But I do agree that people get offended too easily.
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StarKnight23
08/22/17 8:48:02 PM
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Those people need to stop complaining
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chill02
08/22/17 8:49:09 PM
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Captain_Qwark posted...
I've always just used "they"

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Khalpz
08/22/17 8:51:03 PM
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That's not being politically correct. That's just being correct. Say "they".

I thought you were gonna use an example that actually made sense.
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fuzzylittlbunny
08/22/17 8:55:16 PM
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Khalpz posted...
That's not being politically correct. That's just being correct. Say "they".

I thought you were gonna use an example that actually made sense.

What about my example of the subway that stopped using ladies and gentlemen :<
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Anteaterking
08/22/17 8:57:33 PM
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Aelia
08/22/17 8:59:59 PM
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It's not political correctedness, it's grammar



"A person can do what they want" is grammatically incorrect.

"A person can do what he or she wants" is correct.


Jim wants.
Jim and Beth want.

He or she wants.
They want.
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--kresnik--
08/22/17 9:14:43 PM
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Captain_Qwark posted...
I've always just used "they"

who taught you to always say "he" in every random generic situation?


Although this is "debatable," it IS incorrect to refer to an individual with a plural pronoun. It was considered correct in the 14th century, but it was practically phased out in the 19th century. While some cling to it, doing so is like using "ain't" in a proper environment.

Wrong: "Somebody left their keys."
(Politically) Correct: "Somebody left his or her keys."
Classic Correct: "Somebody left his keys."

It's like saying it's insensitive to say "policeman" or "fireman."
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BilalPowell
08/22/17 9:15:57 PM
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Yeah you can't use the other definition of gay anymore.
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RebelElite791
08/22/17 9:17:49 PM
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--kresnik-- posted...
Captain_Qwark posted...
I've always just used "they"

who taught you to always say "he" in every random generic situation?


Although this is "debatable," it IS incorrect to refer to an individual with a plural pronoun. It was considered correct in the 14th century, but it was practically phased out in the 19th century. While some cling to it, doing so is like using "ain't" in a proper environment.

Wrong: "Somebody left their keys."
(Politically) Correct: "Somebody left his or her keys."
Classic Correct: "Somebody left his keys."

It's like saying it's insensitive to say "policeman" or "fireman."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they

Bzzzzzt wrong. Shut the fuck up.
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SGT_Conti
08/22/17 9:20:27 PM
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A lot of books I read as a kid used singular they so it doesn't sound weird to me at all. I never understood people's aversion to it.
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averagejoel
08/22/17 9:24:01 PM
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the singular "they" has literally been in use for centuries. Chaucer used it - it's literally older than modern English.

It was used in the King James Bible and in Shakespeare's first folio, the two foundational texts of Modern English.

It was also used by Jonathan Swift, Daniel Defoe, Oliver Goldsmith, Percy Shelley, Lord Byron, George Eliot, Charles Dickens, Jane Austen, Robert Louis Stevenson, Lewis Carroll, and Oscar Wilde, among countless others.

anyone who says the singular "they" is unacceptable is flat out wrong
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Zodd3224
08/22/17 9:25:40 PM
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Well this thread was a fail
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YookaLaylee
08/22/17 9:28:24 PM
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frozenshock posted...
Do we really HAVE to say "he or she" every time we give a fucking example about fucking anything?

Why are people always looking so hard to find any small little thing that could potentially be offensive?

Nobody does that
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HashBrownAgain
08/22/17 9:33:38 PM
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Remember when you could say "Hey guys" or call anyone a dude without someone bitching.
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sktgamer_13dude
08/22/17 9:34:31 PM
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RebelElite791 posted...
--kresnik-- posted...
Captain_Qwark posted...
I've always just used "they"

who taught you to always say "he" in every random generic situation?


Although this is "debatable," it IS incorrect to refer to an individual with a plural pronoun. It was considered correct in the 14th century, but it was practically phased out in the 19th century. While some cling to it, doing so is like using "ain't" in a proper environment.

Wrong: "Somebody left their keys."
(Politically) Correct: "Somebody left his or her keys."
Classic Correct: "Somebody left his keys."

It's like saying it's insensitive to say "policeman" or "fireman."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they

Bzzzzzt wrong. Shut the fuck up.

rofl.

Southcoast getting owned again. Must be a day ending in "-y".
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Questionmarktarius
08/22/17 9:34:45 PM
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The correct answer is to avoid ambiguous pronouns altogether.
"Somebody left some keys."
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RebelElite791
08/22/17 9:35:02 PM
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HashBrownAgain posted...
Remember when you could say "Hey guys" or call anyone a dude without someone bitching.

Literally never once in my life seen anyone take issue with that, and know plenty of self-identified feminists who do so as well.
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fuzzylittlbunny
08/22/17 9:43:47 PM
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RebelElite791 posted...
HashBrownAgain posted...
Remember when you could say "Hey guys" or call anyone a dude without someone bitching.

Literally never once in my life seen anyone take issue with that, and know plenty of self-identified feminists who do so as well.

I remember some super annoying lady once when I was working at a local grocery store...I opened up a register and said "I can help some of you guys over here", and a lady said something like "I'm not a GUY, you know". I literally facepalmed in front of her.
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