Board 8 > "White supremacist" FREE SPEECH rally in Boston headlined by Indian

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Vlado posted...

Peace___Frog posted...

considering he tried to argue with han, who has lived in rural Appalachia for years, about the demographics and politics of rural Appalachia, I'd say that vlado doesn't actually know jack shit

Yeah because living somewhere makes you a super expert on the place...

It makes you more informed than a nobody on the internet who has done no more than a modicum of research and applies sweeping generalizations across state lines in his grand plagiarized fan fiction, yes.
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Nope. They still need to prove it. People with such insane political bias like that guy cannot because they've abandoned independent thinking in exchange for globalist dogmas.
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Vlado posted...

Nope. They still need to prove it. People with such insane political bias like that guy cannot because they've abandoned independent thinking in exchange for globalist dogmas.

Sort of like how you've abandoned independent thinking in favor of recycled JRPG plotlines?
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When was the last independent thought YOU had, Vlado? 'Cause it seems like you refuse to believe any information that refutes your pre-existing beliefs and instead blindly assert that "globalism" is the root of all evil (despite NATIONALISM being the cause of more violence overall).
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As I've said, I make my conclusions based on facts. Some years ago, I was also a leftist. Then I did more reading and realised I had been a fool.
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Vlado posted...

You try to paint everyone at the anti-globalist rallies as an extremist. I've only shown that you, and FAKE NEWS media, are wrong.

Reminder:

*high fives 38% of the voters*
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Vlado posted...

Nope. They still need to prove it. People with such insane political bias like that guy cannot because they've abandoned independent thinking in exchange for globalist dogmas.

I've seen this episode already. How do I go back to the previous menu to select a different episode?
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Vlado posted...

As I've said, I make my conclusions based on facts. Some years ago, I was also a leftist. Then I did more reading and realised I had been a fool.

You ignore facts that contradict your "reading".

And you spout unsourced nonsense as fact (i.e. All Humanity didn't descend from a common ancestor despite science and Christianity saying otherwise).

You're just a blind sheep repeating talking points on a constant loop.
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Vlado posted...

As I've said, I make my conclusions based on facts. Some years ago, I was also a leftist. Then I did more reading and realised I had been a fool.

I've heard this happens to a lot of people after severe head trauma...
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wait, they were anti-globalist rallies?

did anyone at the rallies actually call them that?
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

wait, they were anti-globalist rallies?

reminder that globalist just means "jew"
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Charlottesville was anti-Globalist. They were chanting "Jews will not replace us!" You know, anti-"Globalist".
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Dammit Kenri

ETA: Also, dammit phone
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Espeon posted...

Dammit Jenri

leave my sister out of this
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Vlado hates Jews? That's not very nice :(
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Vlado posted...

Nope. They still need to prove it. People with such insane political bias like that guy cannot because they've abandoned independent thinking in exchange for globalist dogmas.

Lol TIL han has "insane political bias"

Just because he lived with a Jewish guy for a few months doesn't mean he is absorbed by globalist dogmas.
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No he just hates (((globalists)))

(((Globalists))) being Jews

Though actually that may have escaped Vlado because he thinks he's in an RPG
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CherryCokes posted...

WhoopsyDaisy posted...

CherryCokes posted...

He was, for all intents and purposes, the "opening act" of the rally, which originally was to include notable white supremacists Augustus Sol Invictus, Gavin McInnes, Joe Biggs, and Kyle Chapman, among others. Two of those did not come - Invictus and McInnes - and the rally, poorly-organized and poorly-attended as it was, fell apart before Biggs or Chapman were able to speak.

But hey, why do any research into things when you can just trust things posted on YouTube!

I think the only white supremacist in that group is Augustus Invictus. I'm pretty sure Joe Biggs isn't and I know Gavin McInnes isn't. McInnes in particular is trying to purge all the white supremacists from the little cult of "western chauvinists" that he put together. He didn't realize that the confusion between western chauvinism and white supremacy went both ways.

It wasn't a white supremacist thing.

Chapman is a major league white supremacist. He was a leader of a National Front branch in New Zealand. He was the one who smashed the Berkeley protester in the head with the large wooden pole. His wife left him because he wouldn't renounce his white supremacist views.

McInnes is more of a xenophobic nationalist who happens to be white. Thin line, I guess.

I also really enjoy how Vlado thinks I said Shiva Ayyadurai was a white supremacist, when all I said was that he's a shady opportunist masquerading as a populist

I didn't realize Based Stickman was a white supremacist. I knew he was severely brain damaged and he should probably be in a mental hospital rather than leading Right-Wing Antifa.

But yeah this is not a white supremacist rally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9X2ZRB9GCU
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

wait, they were anti-globalist rallies?

did anyone at the rallies actually call them that?

If you defend free speech and reject political correctness, you are an anti-globalist, whether you explicitly state it or not.

lol @ the "jews" nonsense. Only goes to show how much lefties on this board want to paint everyone on the right as a nazi.
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Then I guess if you defend freedom of religion and reject violence, you're anti-nationalist.
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Vlado posted...

Only goes to show how much lefties on this board want to paint everyone on the right as a nazi.

I'm sorry, when someone calls themselves a nazi, i take them at their word.
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I mean Vlado, as I said, I can buy that you honestly think the "globalists" are your imaginary JRPG villains. But it's a fact that many of your alt-right buddies use that word as a coded reference to Jewish people.
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Vlado posted...

If you defend free speech and reject political correctness, you are an anti-globalist, whether you explicitly state it or not.

What if you support free speech but also realize that what right wingnuts call "political correctness" is actually just treating people with respect?
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Not_an_Owl posted...

Vlado posted...

If you defend free speech and reject political correctness, you are an anti-globalist, whether you explicitly state it or not.

What if you support free speech but also realize that what right wingnuts call "political correctness" is actually just treating people with respect?

then you're a race traitor
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Vlado posted...

Mr Lasastryke posted...

wait, they were anti-globalist rallies?

did anyone at the rallies actually call them that?

If you defend free speech and reject political correctness, you are an anti-globalist, whether you explicitly state it or not.

lol @ the "jews" nonsense. Only goes to show how much lefties on this board want to paint everyone on the right as a nazi.

well okay if you believe in the political, social, and economic equality of men and women you are a feminist, whether you explicitly state it or not

oh wait that doesn't work
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I'm sure he supports the free speech of the 40k protesters of the rally
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well to be fair he probably does support the legal right to do the non-violent and non-destructive things they were doing
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WhoopsyDaisy posted...

well okay if you believe in the political, social, and economic equality of men and women you are a feminist, whether you explicitly state it or not

oh wait that doesn't work

that's like exactly how it works

way better to do it that way than be a joss whedon about it
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No, feminism is based on the idea that there's a kyriarchy (like a patriarchy but for the entire pyramid of oppression) keeping everyone down unless they're cis, straight, white and male. It's a stupid ideology that encourages discrimination based on race, gender, sexual orientation, disability status, etc.
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WhoopsyDaisy posted...

No, feminism is based on the idea that there's a kyriarchy (like a patriarchy but for the entire pyramid of oppression) keeping everyone down unless they're cis, straight, white and male. It's a stupid ideology that encourages discrimination based on race, gender, sexual orientation, disability status, etc.

Uhhh maybe some of the extremists are that way, but the general philosophy is pretty tame.
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Hippo you aren't gonna make yourself look worse than Vlado, it ain't a competition.
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what is even some of this logic
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WhoopsyDaisy posted...

No, feminism is based on the idea that there's a kyriarchy (like a patriarchy but for the entire pyramid of oppression) keeping everyone down unless they're cis, straight, white and male. It's a stupid ideology that encourages discrimination based on race, gender, sexual orientation, disability status, etc.

That's just the lunatic version of it. Every ideology has a lunatic version. Religious fundamentalism, the alt-right, sjws, etc. These lunatic versions happen when people actively spit in the face of common sense.
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Only 60% of American women and 33% of American men consider themselves feminists. Basically if you're opposed to affirmative action there's nothing in feminism for you because basically all the fights have been won. There are no legal rights women lack and the only ones they're in danger of losing are, like, reproductive. Which you don't need to identify as a feminist to want to defend.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/feminism-project/poll/
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WhoopsyDaisy posted...

Only 60% of American women and 33% of American men consider themselves feminists

Fundamental to your argument is that 100% of Americans have an accurate understanding of the definition of feminism.
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WhoopsyDaisy posted...

Only 60% of American women and 33% of American men consider themselves feminists. Basically if you're opposed to affirmative action there's nothing in feminism for you because basically all the fights have been won. There are no legal rights women lack and the only ones they're in danger of losing are, like, reproductive. Which you don't need to identify as a feminist to want to defend.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/feminism-project/poll/

What if you care about things beyond legal rights?

It's also false that reproductive rights are the only relevant legal battles to be fought. For example, mandated paid family leave would be a pretty significant legal victory.
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WhoopsyDaisy posted...

No, feminism is based on the idea that there's a kyriarchy (like a patriarchy but for the entire pyramid of oppression) keeping everyone down unless they're cis, straight, white and male. It's a stupid ideology that encourages discrimination based on race, gender, sexual orientation, disability status, etc.

Uh no the kyriarchy is the intersectional part that is about how everyone has privileges and oppressions and they all interact with each other. So obviously straight white cis males have a lot of privileges overall, but it recognizes that there are non-zero oppressions that they face, same with non-zero privileges for minority classes.

But lots of people just completely explode when they hear even the slightest talk of privileges and oppressions though, so you can't ever find a reasonable way to talk with them.
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Most reasonable people agree that there are privileges and burdens inherent in any identity label. It's just a question of what you do with that information.

LordoftheMorons posted...

WhoopsyDaisy posted...

Only 60% of American women and 33% of American men consider themselves feminists. Basically if you're opposed to affirmative action there's nothing in feminism for you because basically all the fights have been won. There are no legal rights women lack and the only ones they're in danger of losing are, like, reproductive. Which you don't need to identify as a feminist to want to defend.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/feminism-project/poll/

What if you care about things beyond legal rights?

It's also false that reproductive rights are the only relevant legal battles to be fought. For example, mandated paid family leave would be a pretty significant legal victory.

OK, family leave would be a valid example. But you don't have to be a feminist to be in favor of a policy. And the label has enough baggage that I don't want to identify with it.
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Peace___Frog posted...

Fundamental to your argument is that 100% of Americans have an accurate understanding of the definition of feminism.

yeah, SHM is basically repeating milo's bullshit argument of "very few people self-identify as feminists so this proves feminism is terrible!" of course the reality is "very few people self-identify as feminists because very few people actually bother to research what feminism is."
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It's more that I don't want you to apply a label to me just because I believe in the equality of the sexes. That's just being a decent human being, not a "feminist."
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WhoopsyDaisy posted...

It's more that I don't want you to apply a label to me just because I believe in the equality of the sexes. That's just being a decent human being, not a "feminist."

Imo, this a fair statement.
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WhoopsyDaisy posted...

It's more that I don't want you to apply a label to me

Oh. Really.
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I just typed a whole thing cuz I thought this was the Joss Whedon topic but oops
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LapisLazuli posted...

WhoopsyDaisy posted...

It's more that I don't want you to apply a label to me

Oh. Really.

Also feminism tolerates inequality as long as the subjugated people are white, male, cis, or straight. It's not about equality.
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WhoopsyDaisy posted...

It's more that I don't want you to apply a label to me just because I believe in the equality of the sexes. That's just being a decent human being, not a "feminist."

I follow Jewish customs and have Jews in my ancestry, but don't call me a Jew.

I have white skin and a penis, but don't call me a white male.

I believe that dogs are better than cats, but don't call me a dog person.

In short, your preferences against labels that apply to you makes you an idiot.
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I agree with WhoopsyDaisy. I know feminists hate it when people say "I'm not a feminist, I'm a humanist." They say that if you believe in equality, you're a feminist. But the foundation for that label is that women don't currently have equal rights.

And if you go beyond legal issues, no one really agrees on what equality actually is.
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EndOfDiscOne posted...

I agree with WhoopsyDaisy. I know feminists hate it when people say "I'm not a feminist, I'm a humanist." They say that if you believe in equality, you're a feminist. But the foundation for that label is that women don't currently have equal rights.

And if you go beyond legal issues, no one really agrees on what equality actually is.

Depends if you're looking at it in theory or in practice.

In theory, yeah, the vast majority of the battles are done. Hoo-rah, go team.

In practice... indirect things get into play. And that's where things get dicey.
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trdl23 posted...

EndOfDiscOne posted...

I agree with WhoopsyDaisy. I know feminists hate it when people say "I'm not a feminist, I'm a humanist." They say that if you believe in equality, you're a feminist. But the foundation for that label is that women don't currently have equal rights.

And if you go beyond legal issues, no one really agrees on what equality actually is.

Depends if you're looking at it in theory or in practice.

In theory, yeah, the vast majority of the battles are done. Hoo-rah, go team.

In practice... indirect things get into play. And that's where things get dicey.

This is also the problem with the definition of feminism.
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trdl23 posted...

In theory, yeah, the vast majority of the battles are done. Hoo-rah, go team.

wut?

"in theory," women in saudi arabia are allowed to drive cars?
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I'm not following that connection. Can you clarify please?
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