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Muffinz0rz 08/23/17 12:58:05 PM #1:	Should hate crimes be sentenced differently than other crimes? Yes, they should be. No, a crime of any other color is still a crime. View Results Should hate crimes be sentenced differently than other crimes? --- Not changing this sig until Pat Benatar is in Super Smash Bros. (Started 8/31/2010) BRAVELY DEFAULT: 1075 - 0844 - 9134 + FS: Pumkaboo, Lampent, Dusclops. <cite>Muffinz0rz posted [p:885306477] in Should hat... [t:75700609]...</cite> <quote> Should hate crimes be sentenced differently than other crimes? Yes, they should be. No, a crime of any other color is still a crime. View Results Should hate crimes be sentenced differently than other crimes?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 08/23/17 12:58:51 PM #2:	Yeah if they are truly hate crimes. If the sole reason you committed a crime was because of race/religion/etc.. It should carry a more severe punishment. --- Smash DS Code: 4554-0120-5368 SB4 Name: Roz RIP: Orlando of the Axe Karma: 1642 --he delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:885306524] in Should hat... [t:75700609]...</cite> <quote>Yeah if they are truly hate crimes. If the sole reason you committed a crime was because of race/religion/etc.. It should carry a more severe punishment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muffinz0rz 08/23/17 3:13:13 PM #3:	I was hoping this would turn into a controversial 500 post CE meltdown --- Not changing this sig until Pat Benatar is in Super Smash Bros. (Started 8/31/2010) BRAVELY DEFAULT: 1075 - 0844 - 9134 + FS: Pumkaboo, Lampent, Dusclops. <cite>Muffinz0rz posted [p:885314757] in Should hat... [t:75700609]...</cite> <quote>I was hoping this would turn into a controversial 500 post CE meltdown</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 08/23/17 3:14:31 PM #4:	Good attempt --- Smash DS Code: 4554-0120-5368 SB4 Name: Roz RIP: Orlando of the Axe Karma: 1642 --he delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:885314854] in Should hat... [t:75700609]...</cite> <quote>Good attempt</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 08/23/17 3:16:17 PM #5:	http://alibertarianfuture.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/There-Is-No-Such-Thing-As-A-Hate-Crime.mp4 <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:885314969] in Should hat... [t:75700609]...</cite> <quote>http://alibertarianfuture.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/There-Is-No-Such-Thing-As-A-Hate-Crime.mp4</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cj_WlLL_VVlN 08/23/17 3:23:36 PM #6:	No a crime is a crime. The idea of a hate crime is ridiculous. That said it's not something I get in a tizzy about because the kind of people that commit hate crimes aren't the kind of people I want on the street anyways. --- Give me your tired, your poor,Your masses yearning to breathe free,The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.Send these, the homeless, tempest tossed, to me. <cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted [p:885315397] in Should hat... [t:75700609]...</cite> <quote>No a crime is a crime. The idea of a hate crime is ridiculous. That said it's not something I get in a tizzy about because the kind of people that commit hate crimes aren't the kind of people I want on the street anyways.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hollow_shrine 08/23/17 3:35:54 PM #7:	They're not. Hate speech and similar behaviors are aggravating factors for other violent crimes though and even can bump up a murder charge by a degree or two depending on what the prosecution thinks they can sell to the jury. Personally, I think that's fine. Finally, threatening speech is not protected by the first amendment, and some hate speech definitely qualifies. --- https://i.imgtc.com/zyQ3oRW.jpg 15 Transwomen of color have been murdered since 1/1/2017 <cite>hollow_shrine posted [p:885316108] in Should hat... [t:75700609]...</cite> <quote>They're not. Hate speech and similar behaviors are aggravating factors for other violent crimes though and even can bump up a murder charge by a degree or two depending on what the prosecution thinks they can sell to the jury. Personally, I think that's fine. Finally, threatening speech is not protected by the first amendment, and some hate speech definitely qualifies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3rd_Best_Master 08/23/17 3:38:04 PM #8:	Hate crimes are the only sort of crime where mens rea shouldn't be a factor in determining sentencing, according to joke-tier human beings. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2.2 <cite>3rd_Best_Master posted [p:885316259] in Should hat... [t:75700609]...</cite> <quote>Hate crimes are the only sort of crime where mens rea shouldn't be a factor in determining sentencing, according to joke-tier human beings.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 08/23/17 3:40:31 PM #9:	A board with a steady racist presence will look to say that they shouldn't be punished more heavily. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:885316413] in Should hat... [t:75700609]...</cite> <quote>A board with a steady racist presence will look to say that they shouldn't be punished more heavily.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KStateKing17 08/23/17 3:49:46 PM #10:	I think so. You specifically targeted someone because of their skin or orientation. That seems somewhere right under premeditated murder. --- Mains: Xiaoyu/Zafina (Tekken)-Dhalsim (SF)-Jax (MK) Luong/Yamazaki/Joe (KoF) <cite>KStateKing17 posted [p:885316961] in Should hat... [t:75700609]...</cite> <quote>I think so. You specifically targeted someone because of their skin or orientation. That seems somewhere right under premeditated murder.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Medz2017 08/23/17 3:51:10 PM #11:	Someone steals my car I would hate it. Would they get charged for a hate crime? --- Hi <cite>Medz2017 posted [p:885317032] in Should hat... [t:75700609]...</cite> <quote>Someone steals my car I would hate it. Would they get charged for a hate crime?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheDarkCircle 08/23/17 3:51:24 PM #12:	Of course. The same way we differentiate between premeditation and a crime of passion. <cite>TheDarkCircle posted [p:885317042] in Should hat... [t:75700609]...</cite> <quote>Of course. The same way we differentiate between premeditation and a crime of passion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3rd_Best_Master 08/23/17 3:52:13 PM #13:	Medz2017 posted... Someone steals my car I would hate it. Would they get charged for a hate crime? Pretending to be stupid is soooo 2012. Keep up fam. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2.2 <cite>3rd_Best_Master posted [p:885317094] in Should hat... [t:75700609]...</cite> <quote><cite>Medz2017 posted...</cite> <quote>Someone steals my car I would hate it. Would they get charged for a hate crime?</quote> Pretending to be stupid is soooo 2012. Keep up fam.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Medz2017 08/23/17 3:57:59 PM #14:	KStateKing17 posted... I think so. You specifically targeted someone because of their skin or orientation. That seems somewhere right under premeditated murder. What if two guys got into a fight and the one died even though he did not premeditate that out come. He just wanted to give him a savage beating. --- Hi <cite>Medz2017 posted [p:885317474] in Should hat... [t:75700609]...</cite> <quote><cite>KStateKing17 posted...</cite> <quote>I think so. You specifically targeted someone because of their skin or orientation. That seems somewhere right under premeditated murder.</quote> What if two guys got into a fight and the one died even though he did not premeditate that out come. He just wanted to give him a savage beating.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3rd_Best_Master 08/23/17 4:00:00 PM #15:	Medz2017 posted... KStateKing17 posted... I think so. You specifically targeted someone because of their skin or orientation. That seems somewhere right under premeditated murder. What if two guys got into a fight and the one died even though he did not premeditate that out come. He just wanted to give him a savage beating. manslaughter --- You've fought the strongest, the second strongest, the fourth strongest, and the weakest master! Now you see the true advantage of being third strongest master! <cite>3rd_Best_Master posted [p:885317586] in Should hat... [t:75700609]...</cite> <quote><cite>Medz2017 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KStateKing17 posted...</cite> <quote>I think so. You specifically targeted someone because of their skin or orientation. That seems somewhere right under premeditated murder.</quote> What if two guys got into a fight and the one died even though he did not premeditate that out come. He just wanted to give him a savage beating.</quote> manslaughter</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 08/23/17 4:00:23 PM #16:	Medz2017 posted... KStateKing17 posted... I think so. You specifically targeted someone because of their skin or orientation. That seems somewhere right under premeditated murder. What if two guys got into a fight and the one died even though he did not premeditate that out come. He just wanted to give him a savage beating. ... --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:885317607] in Should hat... [t:75700609]...</cite> <quote><cite>Medz2017 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KStateKing17 posted...</cite> <quote>I think so. You specifically targeted someone because of their skin or orientation. That seems somewhere right under premeditated murder.</quote> What if two guys got into a fight and the one died even though he did not premeditate that out come. He just wanted to give him a savage beating.</quote> ...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thrashmetal14 08/23/17 4:01:48 PM #17:	No. If someone kills a black guy because he's racist and hates black people, and another guy kills a different black guy, not because he's racist but simply because he's a murdering psychopath, they both deserve the same severe punishment. Crime is crime, no matter the reason for committing it. <cite>thrashmetal14 posted [p:885317703] in Should hat... [t:75700609]...</cite> <quote>No. If someone kills a black guy because he's racist and hates black people, and another guy kills a different black guy, not because he's racist but simply because he's a murdering psychopath, they both deserve the same severe punishment. Crime is crime, no matter the reason for committing it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 08/23/17 4:04:44 PM #18:	3rd_Best_Master posted... Hate crimes are the only sort of crime where mens rea shouldn't be a factor in determining sentencing, according to joke-tier human beings. This. Motive should always be considered. --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:885317857] in Should hat... [t:75700609]...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote>Hate crimes are the only sort of crime where mens rea shouldn't be a factor in determining sentencing, according to joke-tier human beings.</quote> This. Motive should always be considered.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 08/23/17 4:08:39 PM #19:	thrashmetal14 posted... No. If someone kills a black guy because he's racist and hates black people, and another guy kills a different black guy, not because he's racist but simply because he's a murdering psychopath, they both deserve the same severe punishment. Crime is crime, no matter the reason for committing it. so someone jaywalking for no good reason is the same as someone jaywalking because there is a kid who has fallen in the street and they wanted to get them up and out of the road? <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:885318089] in Should hat... [t:75700609]...</cite> <quote><cite>thrashmetal14 posted...</cite> <quote>No. If someone kills a black guy because he's racist and hates black people, and another guy kills a different black guy, not because he's racist but simply because he's a murdering psychopath, they both deserve the same severe punishment. Crime is crime, no matter the reason for committing it.</quote> so someone jaywalking for no good reason is the same as someone jaywalking because there is a kid who has fallen in the street and they wanted to get them up and out of the road?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
I is smart 08/23/17 4:12:52 PM #20:	Fam_Fam posted... thrashmetal14 posted... No. If someone kills a black guy because he's racist and hates black people, and another guy kills a different black guy, not because he's racist but simply because he's a murdering psychopath, they both deserve the same severe punishment. Crime is crime, no matter the reason for committing it. so someone jaywalking for no good reason is the same as someone jaywalking because there is a kid who has fallen in the street and they wanted to get them up and out of the road? That's... not jaywalking --- Tah-rah-rah-boom-dee-aaay, did you get yours todaaay? I got mine yesterdaaay, that's why I walk this way. i.imgur.com/FoxGIbC.jpg <cite>I is smart posted [p:885318317] in Should hat... [t:75700609]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thrashmetal14 posted...</cite> <quote>No. If someone kills a black guy because he's racist and hates black people, and another guy kills a different black guy, not because he's racist but simply because he's a murdering psychopath, they both deserve the same severe punishment. Crime is crime, no matter the reason for committing it.</quote> so someone jaywalking for no good reason is the same as someone jaywalking because there is a kid who has fallen in the street and they wanted to get them up and out of the road?</quote> That's... not jaywalking</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 08/23/17 4:36:09 PM #21:	I is smart posted... Fam_Fam posted... thrashmetal14 posted... No. If someone kills a black guy because he's racist and hates black people, and another guy kills a different black guy, not because he's racist but simply because he's a murdering psychopath, they both deserve the same severe punishment. Crime is crime, no matter the reason for committing it. so someone jaywalking for no good reason is the same as someone jaywalking because there is a kid who has fallen in the street and they wanted to get them up and out of the road? That's... not jaywalking "Jaywalking occurs when a pedestrian crosses a roadway where regulations do not permit doing so. " So suppose you are crossing a roadway where you should not in order to save/help someone, versus to save time because you don't want to wait like you should. Same crime, different motive. <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:885319641] in Should hat... [t:75700609]...</cite> <quote><cite>I is smart posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thrashmetal14 posted...</cite> <quote>No. If someone kills a black guy because he's racist and hates black people, and another guy kills a different black guy, not because he's racist but simply because he's a murdering psychopath, they both deserve the same severe punishment. Crime is crime, no matter the reason for committing it.</quote> so someone jaywalking for no good reason is the same as someone jaywalking because there is a kid who has fallen in the street and they wanted to get them up and out of the road?</quote> That's... not jaywalking</quote> "Jaywalking occurs when a pedestrian crosses a roadway where regulations do not permit doing so. " So suppose you are crossing a roadway where you should not in order to save/help someone, versus to save time because you don't want to wait like you should. Same crime, different motive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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philsov 08/23/17 5:00:07 PM #23:	It's about the message. Crime sentences act as both punishment for the actor and possible deterrent for the not-yet-acted. Hate crimes carrying a heavier sentence than their non-hate counterparts serve to steer action away from hate crimes and minimize them in the future, which is a good thing imo. --- Remember that I won't rest, 'til we share the same tense Just know, to me, you're better late than never again. <cite>philsov posted [p:885320994] in Should hat... [t:75700609]...</cite> <quote>It's about the message. Crime sentences act as both punishment for the actor and possible deterrent for the not-yet-acted. Hate crimes carrying a heavier sentence than their non-hate counterparts serve to steer action away from hate crimes and minimize them in the future, which is a good thing imo.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 08/23/17 5:05:32 PM #24:	It can point to motivation, which should affect the punishment, but no I don't think we need to define it specifically as a unique form of crime. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:885321284] in Should hat... [t:75700609]...</cite> <quote>It can point to motivation, which should affect the punishment, but no I don't think we need to define it specifically as a unique form of crime.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UncleBourbon33 08/23/17 5:11:07 PM #25:	Hate crimes shouldn't be a thing. A crime is a crime. --- http://i.imgur.com/HtxqKRp.gif <cite>UncleBourbon33 posted [p:885321638] in Should hat... [t:75700609]...</cite> <quote>Hate crimes shouldn't be a thing. A crime is a crime.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NibeIungsnarf 08/23/17 5:12:40 PM #26:	All crimes should be sentenced differently depending on the motivating factor of the perpetrator. "Hate" should definitely be a massive consideration if relevant. <cite>NibeIungsnarf posted [p:885321737] in Should hat... [t:75700609]...</cite> <quote>All crimes should be sentenced differently depending on the motivating factor of the perpetrator. "Hate" should definitely be a massive consideration if relevant.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 08/23/17 5:13:19 PM #27:	Kineth posted... A board with a steady racist presence will look to say that they shouldn't be punished more heavily. Black people get charged with hate crimes twice as often as white people do. This is yet another case where the left's complete inability to anticipate unforeseen consequences ends up hurting people they claim to care about. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:885321771] in Should hat... [t:75700609]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>A board with a steady racist presence will look to say that they shouldn't be punished more heavily.</quote> Black people get charged with hate crimes twice as often as white people do. This is yet another case where the left's complete inability to anticipate unforeseen consequences ends up hurting people they claim to care about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 08/23/17 5:14:52 PM #28:	Yes, because intent matters. That's why we have manslaughter, second degree murder, and first degree murder. When it comes time to look at punishment, you need to consider whether someone who just committed a crime against someone is likely to do so again, and if the whole basis of the crime was "that person was <race>" then the liklihood is higher. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:885321866] in Should hat... [t:75700609]...</cite> <quote>Yes, because intent matters. That's why we have manslaughter, second degree murder, and first degree murder. When it comes time to look at punishment, you need to consider whether someone who just committed a crime against someone is likely to do so again, and if the whole basis of the crime was "that person was <race>" then the liklihood is higher.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
K181 08/23/17 5:17:55 PM #29:	If someone commits a heinous crime for a truly stupid reason, then yeah. Extra punishment. That's where I stand on hate crime sentencing. What, you murdered someone because they were wearing a turban? Really? You ended a human life because of that? Fuck you, extra ten years. --- The poster formerly known as Kakarot181: July 2, 2002 - March 14, 2012. Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. <cite>K181 posted [p:885322036] in Should hat... [t:75700609]...</cite> <quote>If someone commits a heinous crime for a truly stupid reason, then yeah. Extra punishment. That's where I stand on hate crime sentencing. What, you murdered someone because they were wearing a turban? Really? You ended a human life because of that? Fuck you, extra ten years.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 08/23/17 5:20:13 PM #30:	The Admiral posted... Kineth posted... A board with a steady racist presence will look to say that they shouldn't be punished more heavily. Black people get charged with hate crimes twice as often as white people do. This is yet another case where the left's complete inability to anticipate unforeseen consequences ends up hurting people they claim to care about. Wait. Are you criticizing "the left" for not being racist in the application of hate crime convictions? Maybe, just maybe, this nebulous group of roughly half of America doesn't hate white people and virtue signal 24/7? Crazy, I know. And remember guys. Don't generalize the right. That is hateful and wrong. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:885322173] in Should hat... [t:75700609]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>A board with a steady racist presence will look to say that they shouldn't be punished more heavily.</quote> Black people get charged with hate crimes twice as often as white people do. This is yet another case where the left's complete inability to anticipate unforeseen consequences ends up hurting people they claim to care about.</quote> Wait. Are you criticizing "the left" for not being racist in the application of hate crime convictions? Maybe, just maybe, this nebulous group of roughly half of America doesn't hate white people and virtue signal 24/7? Crazy, I know. And remember guys. Don't generalize the right. That is hateful and wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
philsov 08/23/17 5:52:14 PM #31:	hockeybub89 posted... Are you criticizing "the left" for not being racist in the application of hate crime convictions? puts on Admiral mask The opposite. It's more that their application is utilized more on black criminals. The intent of hate crime law by many well-wishing lefties is to minimize racial/sexist/etc crimes from occurring, but their application is systematically and preferentially being used against a minority. It's similar to drug possession laws -- although drug possession/use is roughly equal among all the races, we as a country tend to jail minorities and handslap middle-upper class white people. takes off mask proceeds to take a shower --- Remember that I won't rest, 'til we share the same tense Just know, to me, you're better late than never again. <cite>philsov posted [p:885323830] in Should hat... [t:75700609]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Are you criticizing "the left" for not being racist in the application of hate crime convictions?</quote> puts on Admiral mask The opposite. It's more that their application is utilized more on black criminals. The intent of hate crime law by many well-wishing lefties is to minimize racial/sexist/etc crimes from occurring, but their application is systematically and preferentially being used against a minority. It's similar to drug possession laws -- although drug possession/use is roughly equal among all the races, we as a country tend to jail minorities and handslap middle-upper class white people. takes off mask proceeds to take a shower</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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3rd_Best_Master 08/23/17 6:50:25 PM #33:	fenderbender321 posted... s0nicfan posted... Yes, because intent matters. Yes, intent to hurt somebody. That intent to hurt somebody doesn't change regardless of the reason for that intent. Prove that the reason for intent doesn't play a factor in sentencing. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2.2 <cite>3rd_Best_Master posted [p:885326863] in Should hat... [t:75700609]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote> Yes, because intent matters.</quote> Yes, intent to hurt somebody. That intent to hurt somebody doesn't change regardless of the reason for that intent.</quote> Prove that the reason for intent doesn't play a factor in sentencing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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3rd_Best_Master 08/23/17 6:58:00 PM #35:	fenderbender321 posted... 3rd_Best_Master posted... fenderbender321 posted... s0nicfan posted... Yes, because intent matters. Yes, intent to hurt somebody. That intent to hurt somebody doesn't change regardless of the reason for that intent. Prove that the reason for intent doesn't play a factor in sentencing. It does...but I thought we were discussing whether or not it should. Why do you think intent shouldn't matter? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2.2 <cite>3rd_Best_Master posted [p:885327305] in Should hat... [t:75700609]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote> Yes, because intent matters. </quote> Yes, intent to hurt somebody. That intent to hurt somebody doesn't change regardless of the reason for that intent. </quote> Prove that the reason for intent doesn't play a factor in sentencing.</quote> It does...but I thought we were discussing whether or not it should.</quote> Why do you think intent shouldn't matter?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 08/23/17 7:11:06 PM #36:	3rd_Best_Master posted... fenderbender321 posted... 3rd_Best_Master posted... fenderbender321 posted... s0nicfan posted... Yes, because intent matters. Yes, intent to hurt somebody. That intent to hurt somebody doesn't change regardless of the reason for that intent. Prove that the reason for intent doesn't play a factor in sentencing. It does...but I thought we were discussing whether or not it should. Why do you think intent shouldn't matter? Intent should matter for some crimes. For example, there is a big difference between the intentions during involuntary manslaughter and first-degree murder, even though both crimes produce a dead victim. The threat to society of the criminal is different in both cases, so the prison times should be different. Hate crimes are certainly more iffy. For example, why does it matter whether someone beats the shit out of a guy because he's ugly versus because he's gay? They criminal is a violent piece of garbage in both cases, so I don't see any reason to penalize one more than the other. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:885328003] in Should hat... [t:75700609]...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote> Yes, because intent matters. </quote> Yes, intent to hurt somebody. That intent to hurt somebody doesn't change regardless of the reason for that intent. </quote> Prove that the reason for intent doesn't play a factor in sentencing.</quote> It does...but I thought we were discussing whether or not it should.</quote> Why do you think intent shouldn't matter?</quote> Intent should matter for some crimes. For example, there is a big difference between the intentions during involuntary manslaughter and first-degree murder, even though both crimes produce a dead victim. The threat to society of the criminal is different in both cases, so the prison times should be different. Hate crimes are certainly more iffy. For example, why does it matter whether someone beats the shit out of a guy because he's ugly versus because he's gay? They criminal is a violent piece of garbage in both cases, so I don't see any reason to penalize one more than the other.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kineth 08/24/17 5:52:26 AM #38:	The Admiral posted... Kineth posted... A board with a steady racist presence will look to say that they shouldn't be punished more heavily. Black people get charged with hate crimes twice as often as white people do. This is yet another case where the left's complete inability to anticipate unforeseen consequences ends up hurting people they claim to care about. Was this supposed to be a counterargument? --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:885351677] in Should hat... [t:75700609]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>A board with a steady racist presence will look to say that they shouldn't be punished more heavily.</quote> Black people get charged with hate crimes twice as often as white people do. This is yet another case where the left's complete inability to anticipate unforeseen consequences ends up hurting people they claim to care about.</quote> Was this supposed to be a counterargument?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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