Current Events > How come Mario hasn't been called out for being a racist portrayal or italians

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Trayvon
08/24/17 11:57:39 AM
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especially in this day and age?
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TheVipaGTS
08/24/17 11:58:08 AM
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Does it trigger you?
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Butterfiles
08/24/17 11:59:08 AM
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lotsa spaghetti!
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frozenshock
08/24/17 11:59:09 AM
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Tear down the Mario statues!
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BootyGif
08/24/17 11:59:25 AM
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No one cares enough
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s0nicfan
08/24/17 11:59:39 AM
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Because he wasn't made by a white person
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mD_atheist
08/24/17 11:59:40 AM
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Or italians
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ManLink4321
08/24/17 11:59:50 AM
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Mario isn't racist, bro
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ArchiePeck
08/24/17 11:59:54 AM
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I'm pretty sure people will have called it out at some point.
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Trigg3rH4ppy
08/24/17 12:02:24 PM
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Because he's an Italian plumber, created by Japanese people, who speaks English, that looks like a Mexican.
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Milkman5
08/24/17 12:03:03 PM
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Italians aren't sensitive cucks
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frozenshock
08/24/17 12:03:11 PM
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Trigg3rH4ppy posted...
Because he's an Italian plumber, created by Japanese people, who speaks English, that looks like a Mexican.


And rides dinosaurs
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stone
08/24/17 12:03:39 PM
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Trigg3rH4ppy posted...
Because he's an Italian plumber, created by Japanese people, who speaks English, that looks like Ron Jeremy.

Fixed that for you.
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Pitlord_Special
08/24/17 12:04:08 PM
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It's ok when Nintendo does it
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NeonOctopus
08/24/17 12:05:14 PM
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Ivynn
08/24/17 12:06:11 PM
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I've never seen Mario eat gabagool
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thrashmetal14
08/24/17 12:07:08 PM
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Milkman5 posted...
Italians aren't sensitive cucks


As an Italian, this.
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asdf8562
08/24/17 12:11:41 PM
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What exactly is he over stereotyped in?
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YourDrunkFather
08/24/17 12:13:06 PM
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Because Mario's pigment isn't dark enough for social justice hypocrites to care
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Melonfarms
08/24/17 12:13:47 PM
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He's got nostalgia on his side and Nintendo can do no wrong.
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Irony
08/24/17 12:15:41 PM
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asdf8562 posted...
What exactly is he over stereotyped in?

This

He's only labeled as Italian on paper
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Banjo2553
08/24/17 12:20:59 PM
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Irony posted...
asdf8562 posted...
What exactly is he over stereotyped in?

This

He's only labeled as Italian on paper

Some of the games reference that he has an intense love of pasta.

...But who doesn't love pasta?
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iosifsvoboda
08/24/17 12:26:00 PM
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Is he even explicitly Italian? The only identifier to his ethnicity is his accent
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Ricemills
08/24/17 12:36:27 PM
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he doesnt even eat pizza and pasta. or making that funny hand gesture.
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averagejoel
08/24/17 12:38:28 PM
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because he's white
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mario2000
08/24/17 12:48:21 PM
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Mario doesn't even talk with his hands though....
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ultimate reaver
08/24/17 12:50:00 PM
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I can't actually think of a stereotypical thing that Mario does. I guess you could go after his speech pattern but he barely speaks. Otherwise, running through magical lands full of turtles and mushrooms while shooting fire from your hand and doing crazy somersaults isn't really an italian stereotype
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electricbugs2
08/24/17 12:51:05 PM
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WhinyZach posted...
Irony posted...
asdf8562 posted...
What exactly is he over stereotyped in?

This

He's only labeled as Italian on paper


Have you guys ever met an Italian, from Italy?

Do you think they sound like this " IT'S A ME! GIOVANNI, MAMMA MIA"

They don't. Italians can take a joke though.

Actually the guy who fixed my Jeeps transmission sounds like this.

His name is Tony and he has a massive moustache and he talks like Mario to a tee. The dude is so Italian I don't even think he realizes he's doing it.
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Nomadic View
08/24/17 12:51:52 PM
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The affected group doesn't have a victim complex.
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DragonMaster525
08/24/17 12:52:27 PM
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ultimate reaver posted...
I can't actually think of a stereotypical thing that Mario does. I guess you could go after his speech pattern but he barely speaks. Otherwise, running through magical lands full of turtles and mushrooms while shooting fire from your hand and doing crazy somersaults isn't really an italian stereotype


Maybe not where your from buddy.
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Banjo2553
08/24/17 1:01:39 PM
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mario2000 posted...
Mario doesn't even talk with his hands though....

Mario & Luigi series?
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masterpug53
08/24/17 1:11:17 PM
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I'd say that, apart from references to the mob and maybe making fun of their speech patterns when speaking English, most Italian stereotypes ('they make great food, talk with their hands and don't bottle up their emotions') are positive or at least benign rather than negative.

People have been poking fun at Mario being a stereotype for years, but nothing's ever come out of it because I have to assume no one's seriously offended by it.
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That_Happened
08/24/17 1:12:39 PM
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There was a very small and brief social media backlash over the new Mario's sombrero and guitar (a new powerup or something) until hispanic people showed up and said "we dgaf, we like when our culture is celebrated."
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D-Qwon
08/24/17 1:15:20 PM
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Because it's accurate
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electricbugs2
08/24/17 1:17:11 PM
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That_Happened posted...
There was a very small and brief social media backlash over the new Mario's sombrero and guitar (a new powerup or something) until hispanic people showed up and said "we dgaf, we like when our culture is celebrated."

My favourite is when Cartoon Network banned Speedy Gonzales for being racist, only for the Latino community to demand him back. Yet CN still puts a warning label on old Merrie Melodies shorts like a bunch of pussies.
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DevsBro
08/24/17 1:20:49 PM
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I don't get this.

I mean don't you have to say something bad about the group in question to be racist?

Giving a character a mustache and an accent doesn't really qualify. I guess if none of the other characters (or the audience) could understand what he was saying, that might be a problem.
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Ricemills
08/24/17 1:37:18 PM
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back in my days, we just called it stereotypes.
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asdf8562
08/24/17 1:46:08 PM
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WhinyZach posted...
Irony posted...
asdf8562 posted...
What exactly is he over stereotyped in?

This

He's only labeled as Italian on paper


Have you guys ever met an Italian, from Italy?

Do you think they sound like this " IT'S A ME! GIOVANNI, MAMMA MIA"

They don't. Italians can take a joke though.

Which doesnt answer my question though.
Ive never seen this ever, so why are we calling this a stereotype to begin with. Even when I thought about Italians, an image of Mario never popped up in my head.

Why is he called a stereotype? Is it simply because they labelled a character italian?

Did people really think of a mustache, plumber who says "mama mia" when they thought of Italians is basically my question.
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GiftedACIII
08/25/17 1:58:15 AM
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Mario isn't Italian. He's from the Mushroom Kingdom.
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MrMallard
08/25/17 2:15:13 AM
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http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MexicansLoveSpeedyGonzales

When people of a particular culture, nationality, or any other demographic embrace a (sometimes unflattering) caricature of them concocted by another (often, but not always, an Ethnic Scrappy), this is the result.

Occasionally it can be a case of Insult Backfire, though it happens most often when the caricature in question is clueless rather than intentionally offensive.

It may help if:

* The allegedly offensive character has strong sides — for example, Speedy may be somewhat stereotypical, but note that he is shrewd, energetic, determined, and always wins.

* The other characters aren't portrayed as any better — for example, Axis Powers Hetalia has an All Stereotype Cast.

* The stereotype is carried so far as to be clear parody even to a casual viewer — for example, The Mikado and Borat.

* The stereotype is so unintentionally ridiculous that members of the stereotyped demographic can't help but think, "It's hilarious that this is what they think about us" — for example, Tintin in the Congo and Reefer Madness.

* The stereotypical aspects are exceedingly Fair for Its Day — for example, Charlie Chan.

* The demographic rarely even appears in the media, so they embrace any representation they receive — for example, the title character in Borat (again) and Khan in Star Trek.

* The stereotype exists in the targeted culture itself, often as something positive or mildly self-deprecating. They may even agree that there's enough truth to it that it's not offensive — for example, the humor of Jeff Foxworthy, Bill Engvall, and Larry the Cable Guy.


This could be a factor as to why it isn't considered a great offense to Italian-Americans. Mario is unequivocally good, determined and heroic. The accent is face-level, and mostly consists of grunts, cries and whoops - outside of that, you have a handful of soundbites per game. If Mario spent a whole game speaking with a broken English accent and talking about his love for spaghetti, meatballs, ravioli and different foods to constantly play up "hey guys, i'm italian, look how italian I'm being", that might be a problem - but his heroic qualities mixed with the relatively low frequency of stereotyping doesn't make Mario such a big deal.
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Darmik
08/25/17 2:17:50 AM
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Mario is nice.

That's why you hate Waluigi instead
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Bok_Choi
08/25/17 2:18:42 AM
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mario is always portrayed as a new york mobster
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itachi15243
08/25/17 2:23:35 AM
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As an Italian he's kinda offensive. Especially how he talks.

But he always wins and kicks ass and saves who he cares about, and then is content racing carts with the guys who's ass he kicked
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PoopMcgee420
08/25/17 2:24:37 AM
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Cause Italians arent little bitches that cry over everything. They realize everything isnt racist or offensive. Unlike some.
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Darmik
08/25/17 2:24:53 AM
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PoopMcgee420 posted...
Cause Italians arent little bitches that cry over everything. They realize everything isnt racist or offensive. Unlike some.


Mama mia!
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Bok_Choi
08/25/17 2:37:24 AM
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PoopMcgee420 posted...
Cause Italians arent little bitches that cry over everything. They realize everything isnt racist or offensive. Unlike some.

a) are you italian yourself?
b) what makes you think (even if you are italian) that you can speak for everyone else that's italian?
c) do you realize you're perpetuating racism even as you deny its existence
d) do you like using disparaging words toward women because you have no respect for your mom
e) jerk it with luigi
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PoopMcgee420
08/25/17 2:40:07 AM
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Bok_Choi posted...
PoopMcgee420 posted...
Cause Italians arent little bitches that cry over everything. They realize everything isnt racist or offensive. Unlike some.

a) are you italian yourself?
b) what makes you think (even if you are italian) that you can speak for everyone else that's italian?
c) do you realize you're perpetuating racism even as you deny its existence
d) do you like using disparaging words toward women because you have no respect for your mom
e) jerk it with luigi


F) you're fucking reaching
G) go protest
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SkittyOnWailord
08/25/17 2:53:56 AM
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GiftedACIII posted...
Mario isn't Italian. He's from the Mushroom Kingdom.


No. He's from Brooklyn. Didn't you ever watch the Super Mario Bros Super Show?
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