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Trigg3rH4ppy
08/25/17 1:08:43 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
I love the cover of her new book

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You don't even need to read the book to get it! It asks a question and answers it right there on the cover

Ok....I chuckled
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Horus_Leftfield
08/25/17 1:09:56 PM
#103:


TimDiamond posted...
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denying him significant delegate gains despite winning the caucus by 18 points.


How did they deny him significant delegate gains?

He got a 16 delegate edge from winning Colorado.


This is article where I learned of the superdelegates committing to Clinton from the start limited the amount of delegates Sanders could win per state. Are you questioning why is this the case? The article didn't specify why.


Hill got 2,220 out of the 2,383 delegates needed to win just from the state results, NOT the supers. That's 93%. If ALL of the supers had split according to each candidate's popular vote share, she STILL woulda won. The only way Bernie could have won it is if the supers ALL broke for him and overruled the popular vote, which would be undemocratic af. If Bernie wanted to win HE should have courted African Americans better. It SUCKS he didn't because we didn't turn out of Clinton either on e day, but that doesn't change the fact that he lost because HE DIDN'T LAY GROUNDWORK WITH AFRICAN AMERICANS, not because of this fucking delusion that the DNC was rigging elections.
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Waluigi7
08/25/17 1:13:15 PM
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I would've been one of those people had I voted in November, although I lived in Massachusetts so it wouldn't matter.

I don't support him anymore because he's proved that he's a fucking idiot, but I'm still glad he won because he provides endless entertainment with his dumbass quotes and gives me something to talk about with people.
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Balrog0
08/25/17 1:14:13 PM
#105:


Horus_Leftfield posted...
If Bernie wanted to win HE should have courted African Americans better. It SUCKS he didn't because we didn't turn out of Clinton either on e day, but that doesn't change the fact that he lost because HE DIDN'T LAY GROUNDWORK WITH AFRICAN AMERICANS, not because of this fucking delusion that the DNC was rigging elections.


it's pretty hard to compete with the political operation Clinton inherited from both Obama and her husband,
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darkphoenix181
08/25/17 1:15:44 PM
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you mean Hillary rekt herself by rigging the primaries and thus pissing off these people
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TimDiamond
08/25/17 1:23:35 PM
#107:


Horus_Leftfield posted...
Hill got 2,220 out of the 2,383 delegates needed to win just from the state results, NOT the supers. That's 93%. If ALL of the supers had split according to each candidate's popular vote share, she STILL woulda won. The only way Bernie could have won it is if the supers ALL broke for him and overruled the popular vote, which would be undemocratic af. If Bernie wanted to win HE should have courted African Americans better. It SUCKS he didn't because we didn't turn out of Clinton either on e day, but that doesn't change the fact that he lost because HE DIDN'T LAY GROUNDWORK WITH AFRICAN AMERICANS, not because of this f***ing delusion that the DNC was rigging elections.


The article points out one way it was rigged against him, why are you trying to refute this? And you're misinterpreting what the article says. The action of superdelegates committing to her from the start is what led to so many delegates won for her, not the quantity of superdelegates pushing her over threshold to win.
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darkphoenix181
08/25/17 1:30:39 PM
#108:


Horus_Leftfield posted...
DNC didn't rig shit against Bernie. He lost because of his own mistakes. I can't tell you how many people in my family weren't for him and still aren't for him because they never thought he was invested in our struggles and the discrimination we face every day. It was just a 1000-mile-up assessment of class inequality from him and jack all about race.

Note I was pro Bernie, I'm just honestly telling you how other people in my fam felt. Bernie lost the primary because he lost the South, and he lost the South because he lost African Americans. But as a former Berniecrat myself, let me tell you, is so fucking disrespectful to hear other Berniecrats make excuses like oh the DNC rigged it, they was stuffing ballot boxes and purging people off the rolls, buuuuuull shit. And let me tell you, it also pisses us off to hear you guys bitch about the Democrat party lost because of identity politics. It's the one sided cowardice of people who are scared to talk about race because they think it's a "losing issue electorally". fucking man up and fight shoulder to shoulder with African Americans in our struggle and we'll fight for you in yours. Fucking pathetic how many Berniecrats can't even bring themselves to say black lives matter. Knock it off with that shit.


what a weird post

bernie was an activist in the 60s civil rights and was arrested for it on record
http://www.trbimg.com/img-56cca0aa/turbine/ct-bernie-sanders-arrested-20160219

he famously gave his speech offending white people about them not knowing what it is like to live in the ghetto

but you believe he never tried to reach out to minorities?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-tells-spike-lee-what-black-lives-matter-means-to-him_us_57067e01e4b0a506064e59e5
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08/25/17 1:31:17 PM
#109:


She was the party favorite for both the Democratic leadership and party members (aka the civilians who register with the party and vote in the party's primaries). Even without superdelegates and if you gave Bernie several more primary wins for the hell of it, Hillary would still have won.

Also Hillary and Bernie didn't completely agree with some of the major issues but overall were closer to Democratic policies than Trump. The only reason for a Bernie supporter to switch to Trump was because he was not Hillary and/or fell for his incoherent populist rhetoric.
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DreadedWave
08/25/17 1:32:20 PM
#110:


ForestLogic posted...
Hopefully Democrat party learned its lesson from this.

Hopefully the Republicans do too.
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coolboy11
08/25/17 1:39:26 PM
#111:


there would have been minute differences between Sanders and Clinton policy wise on 95% of issues in the white house, the only really huge issue I could see them going noticeable apart on was US foreign policy on Afghanistan and the Mid East in general, maybe Russia also.
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darkphoenix181
08/25/17 1:43:32 PM
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http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-me-ln-adv-hillary-african-americans-20160603-snap-story.html

A poll of black voters in California commissioned by the African American Voter Registration Education Participation Project conducted by Evitarus found that 71% of 800 likely voters surveyed supported Clinton. But among the black voters younger than 40, half said they would probably vote for Sanders, compared with 34% for Clinton. The poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.

Despite her overall lead with blacks, Clinton did not neatly inherit the love many felt for Bill Clinton, who famously played a soulful saxophone on “The Arsenio Hall Show” in 1992 and whom novelist Toni Morrison later dubbed “the first black president.”


https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/why-hillary-clinton-lost/507704/

Explanation No. 2: The %u201CObama coalition.%u201D While Clinton%u2019s campaign was focused on television advertising aimed at suburban swing voters, there were ample warning signs that African American and Millennial voters weren%u2019t inspired by her candidacy. Polls and focus groups showed young people disliked both candidates; in interviews, black voters were unenthused. But Clinton%u2019s campaign assumed they would show up for her simply because they were afraid of Trump.

Instead, many of them refused to fall in line. Eight percent of African American voters under 30 chose a third-party candidate, as did 5 percent of Latinos under 30, according to an analysis of the election results by the Democratic pollster Cornell Belcher. These %u201Cprotest votes,%u201D he argued, were enough to seal Clinton%u2019s fate, even though this year%u2019s electorate was just as diverse as 2012%u2019s, and Trump did not do any better than Romney among young, minority voters.

%u201CThese younger black and brown voters who supported Obama were more his voters than Dem voters,%u201D Belcher told me. %u201CThey had a stronger allegiance to him than a party, though clearly Dem in issue orientation.%u201D



https://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/11/why-hillary-clinton-couldnt-rally-the-black-vote-commentary.html

Black-voter participation has increased over the past three elections cycles since 2000 %u2013 that is, until Hillary Clinton led the ticket.

Clinton swayed popular black elites and icons such as President Barack and Michelle Obama, Jay Z, Beyoncé and even Ohio's own Lebron James to fan the country in key states %u2013 but to no avail.

So, what kept me and countless other black voters from rallying behind the Hillary train once voting day came on Nov. 8?
She is tied to Bill Clinton%u2019s crime crackdown that resulted in the over-incarceration of young African-Americans

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Darkman124
08/25/17 2:09:27 PM
#113:


Horus_Leftfield posted...

Note I was pro Bernie, I'm just honestly telling you how other people in my fam felt. Bernie lost the primary because he lost the South, and he lost the South because he lost African Americans.


he never had african americans

he was a foot soldier in the civil rights movement

hillary clinton was a general in the aftermath in the 90s

he never had a chance against that

it's not that he lost because they rigged primaries against him, it's that despite not needing to, they put their foot on the scale anyway. that clearly pissed a lot of independents off. it probably had little impact on 'berniebros' who are mostly dyed-in-the-wool far left folks who would never vote trump (and also who are not overwhelmingly male, just overwhelmingly young)
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hockeybub89
08/25/17 2:18:22 PM
#114:


Shows that a lot of Bernie Bros had no values beyond shaking things up. Can't blame them for not voting Hillary; but Trump is not even close if you actually agree with Bernie's views.
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Chronofan8
08/25/17 2:19:19 PM
#115:


Hoo doggy am I ever glad the democrats aren't learning a fucking thing from this fiasco
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SavenForever
08/25/17 2:47:21 PM
#116:


Mal_Fet posted...
I love the cover of her new book

fe23Dj2

You don't even need to read the book to get it! It asks a question and answers it right there on the cover


Should just be a leaflet that just reads "I lost."
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BignutzisBack
08/25/17 2:58:51 PM
#117:


DreadedWave posted...
ForestLogic posted...
Hopefully Democrat party learned its lesson from this.

Hopefully the Republicans do too.


Repulicans had an overwhelming victory, what a stupid post lol
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JohnLennon6
08/25/17 3:12:50 PM
#119:


Bullet_Wing posted...
BignutzisBack posted...
DreadedWave posted...
ForestLogic posted...
Hopefully Democrat party learned its lesson from this.

Hopefully the Republicans do too.


Repulicans had an overwhelming victory, what a stupid post lol

And ended up with an incredibly unpopular, incompetent manchild. Totally winning...

They managed to flip almost the entire rust belt.
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BignutzisBack
08/25/17 3:26:43 PM
#120:


Bullet_Wing posted...
BignutzisBack posted...
DreadedWave posted...
ForestLogic posted...
Hopefully Democrat party learned its lesson from this.

Hopefully the Republicans do too.


Repulicans had an overwhelming victory, what a stupid post lol

And ended up with an incredibly unpopular, incompetent manchild. Totally winning...


Your post is just sour grapes and doesn't address the point at all, they won big time no matter how badly your feelings were hurt
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DreadedWave
08/25/17 3:40:21 PM
#121:


Bullet_Wing posted...
And ended up with an incredibly unpopular, incompetent manchild. Totally winning...

Overwhelming victory is factually incorrect too.

It's Bignutz though so you can just ignore him.
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Anteaterking
08/25/17 3:50:15 PM
#122:


TimDiamond posted...
Anteaterking posted...
TimDiamond posted...
denying him significant delegate gains despite winning the caucus by 18 points.


How did they deny him significant delegate gains?

He got a 16 delegate edge from winning Colorado.


This is article where I learned of the superdelegates committing to Clinton from the start limited the amount of delegates Sanders could win per state. Are you questioning why is this the case? The article didn't specify why.


It doesn't limit the amount of delegates Sanders could win per state any more than Sanders winning a state "limits the amount of delegate Clinton could win from that state".
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Anteaterking
08/25/17 3:53:42 PM
#123:


Darkman124 posted...
it's that despite not needing to, they put their foot on the scale anyway. that clearly pissed a lot of independents off.


I think this is the most frustrating thing to me personally as a Clinton supporter. She would still have won the primary for a number of reasons, so some of the nefarious background dealings among some DNC people were unnecessary and ultimately hurtful. It's just one of these things where you give your "enemies" excuses for why they lost, which is always a bad thing. (Note, I'm using enemies here to describe people who consider Clinton their enemy, not vice versa. This also doesn't categorize most Bernie supporters)
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The Great Muta 22
08/25/17 3:56:55 PM
#124:


DreadedWave posted...
Overwhelming victory is factually incorrect too.

It's Bignutz though so you can just ignore him.


It legit is an immediate revelation to me how politically stupid someone is when they claim Trump "destroyed" Hillary, and that the election was a complete blowout. I mean that's not even close to being accurate in any sense of the word
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marthsheretoo
08/25/17 4:02:32 PM
#125:


BignutzisBack posted...
Bullet_Wing posted...
BignutzisBack posted...
DreadedWave posted...
ForestLogic posted...
Hopefully Democrat party learned its lesson from this.

Hopefully the Republicans do too.


Repulicans had an overwhelming victory, what a stupid post lol

And ended up with an incredibly unpopular, incompetent manchild. Totally winning...


Your post is just sour grapes and doesn't address the point at all, they won big time no matter how badly your feelings were hurt


"Won big time"

I mean yeah, they got the presidency and the legislative branch. That looks like a big win on paper, but how successful have they been in implementing Republican policy since then?

The process they went through to gain those seats fractured their ability to effectively lead and has directly led to one of the most ineffective majorities in history.
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CW_McGraw
08/25/17 4:20:20 PM
#127:


12% of Bernie primary voters voting Trump is almost as bad as 25% of 2008 Hillary primary voters voting McCain in that general election.
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BignutzisBack
08/25/17 4:48:26 PM
#129:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
DreadedWave posted...
Overwhelming victory is factually incorrect too.

It's Bignutz though so you can just ignore him.


It legit is an immediate revelation to me how politically stupid someone is when they claim Trump "destroyed" Hillary, and that the election was a complete blowout. I mean that's not even close to being accurate in any sense of the word


Let me dumb it down for you guys, it was overwhelming in how many republicans overall won their respective elections when they were expected to lose a bunch of seats

Read it slowly to help yourself
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Zikten
08/25/17 4:50:10 PM
#130:


ForestLogic posted...
Hopefully Democrat party learned its lesson from this.

I sure hope so cause revenge is the very reason I voted Trump. I hope they got the message. I'll vote for Bernie again next time or someone like him . But not hilary
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BignutzisBack
08/25/17 4:54:00 PM
#131:


CrimsonRage posted...
BignutzisBack posted...
Bullet_Wing posted...
BignutzisBack posted...
DreadedWave posted...
ForestLogic posted...
Hopefully Democrat party learned its lesson from this.

Hopefully the Republicans do too.


Repulicans had an overwhelming victory, what a stupid post lol

And ended up with an incredibly unpopular, incompetent manchild. Totally winning...


Your post is just sour grapes and doesn't address the point at all, they won big time no matter how badly your feelings were hurt


If Bernie saw you now, he'd spit on your bald head.


Bernie would cry tears of joy after seeing that I took hair from the back of my head who owned 99% of the hair wealth and redistributed it to barren areas where there was no hair.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
08/25/17 4:56:52 PM
#133:


Bernie Sanders was the best candidate imo and I did end up voting hillary because she pissed me off less than trump did
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marthsheretoo
08/25/17 4:57:41 PM
#135:


BignutzisBack posted...
Bernie would cry tears of joy after seeing that I took hair from the back of my head who owned 99% of the hair wealth and distributed it to barren areas where there was no hair.


This was actually pretty funny. +1
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Sephiroth1288
08/25/17 4:58:56 PM
#136:


CrimsonRage posted...
Zikten posted...
ForestLogic posted...
Hopefully Democrat party learned its lesson from this.

I sure hope so cause revenge is the very reason I voted Trump. I hope they got the message. I'll vote for Bernie again next time or someone like him . But not hilary


Hope that petty revenge vote was worth potentially screwing up the Supreme Court. Enjoy possible 50-60 more years of religious fundamentalism dictating your constitutional laws.

Gorsuch is a religious fundamentalist?
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Zikten
08/25/17 5:00:58 PM
#137:


CrimsonRage posted...
Zikten posted...
ForestLogic posted...
Hopefully Democrat party learned its lesson from this.

I sure hope so cause revenge is the very reason I voted Trump. I hope they got the message. I'll vote for Bernie again next time or someone like him . But not hilary


Hope that petty revenge vote was worth potentially screwing up the Supreme Court. Enjoy possible 50-60 more years of religious fundamentalism dictating your constitutional laws.

In reality it doesn't really matter. At the time, I lived in a heavy blue state. That state was never going to go to Trump
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Antifar
08/25/17 5:01:23 PM
#138:


The fun thing about the election results is that, given how close things were, basically anything could have been the tipping point for Trump's victory.

Did he win because of the electoral college?
Did he win because of third party voters?
Did he win because of nonvoters?
Did he win because of Bernie voters?
Did he win because of Comey's letter?
Did he win because of Hillary's vote on Iraq?

The answer is not just all of the above, but any of the above. Which you choose to fixate on is just a reflection of your biases and beliefs; I myself am skeptical of explanations that blame voters for not choosing a candidate, and tend to focus on other reasons.
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hollow_shrine
08/25/17 5:03:21 PM
#139:


5JBE7ZL

We'd rather be wrong and feel justified than be right and feel cheated. It's not surprising. It's not even disappointing anymore.

GOP politicians understand this and ride this resentiment for all its worth. I feel like some of us would be more at home there, then trying to justify themselves to people who have been warning them about their priorities for twenty months, and who don't have time for excuses.

It is kind of tiresome that minorities and poor people always end up shouldering an uneven distribution of the yoke, but it's 2017 and the Klan is marching the streets in Charlottesville. What was old is now new again.
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Sephiroth1288
08/25/17 5:11:44 PM
#140:


Antifar posted...
The fun thing about the election results is that, given how close things were, basically anything could have been the tipping point for Trump's victory.

Did he win because of the electoral college?
Did he win because of third party voters?
Did he win because of nonvoters?
Did he win because of Bernie voters?
Did he win because of Comey's letter?
Did he win because of Hillary's vote on Iraq?

The answer is not just all of the above, but any of the above. Which you choose to fixate on is just a reflection of your biases and beliefs; I myself am skeptical of explanations that blame voters for not choosing a candidate, and tend to focus on other reasons.

"Trump wouldn't have won if the FBI concealed how Hillary was under investigation and no one found out how Hillary screwed over Bernie Sanders and the rules for how a president gets elected were different even though both she and Trump would have campaigned differently if the deciding factor were a popular vote!!! "

And let's not forget that Hillary had Twice The campaign funds that Trump did.

What would Hillary have had to do in order for you to accept that she was just a really shit candidate compared to Trump? What if she tortured a puppy? Would you still not admit that she was terrible?
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Antifar
08/25/17 5:12:44 PM
#141:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
What would Hillary have had to do in order for you to accept that she was just a really shit candidate

Hi, I don't think we've met: I'm Antifar, and I believe that Hillary Clinton was a shitty candidate.

Also, Hillary would not have campaigned differently under a popular vote; they already campaigned as if one was in place. That's how dumb they were.
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Sephiroth1288
08/25/17 5:13:55 PM
#142:


Antifar posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
What would Hillary have had to do in order for you to accept that she was just a really shit candidate

Hi, I don't think we've met: I'm Antifar, and I believe that Hillary Clinton was a shitty candidate.

So why are you making so many excuses for her embarassing failure?
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Sephiroth1288
08/25/17 5:15:11 PM
#143:


Trump wouldn't have bothered with Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, or Michigan if it were a popular vote.
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Antifar
08/25/17 5:16:35 PM
#144:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
Antifar posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
What would Hillary have had to do in order for you to accept that she was just a really shit candidate

Hi, I don't think we've met: I'm Antifar, and I believe that Hillary Clinton was a shitty candidate.

So why are you making so many excuses for her embarassing failure?


I can't believe you read that post as "excuses" for Hillary's failure. I was just pointing out that given the nature of the results, just about everybody's reasons for her loss are correct. My view is that she was a uniquely flawed candidate for 2016 (and somehow also 2008!) who compounded the fact that no one likes her with a god-awful campaign.
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08/25/17 5:17:30 PM
#145:


ForestLogic posted...
Hopefully Democrat party learned its lesson from this.


lolololol!
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Mal_Fet
08/25/17 5:49:35 PM
#146:


Antifar posted...
I can't believe you read that post as "excuses" for Hillary's failure.

Look at your list in post 138 and note how nowhere do you say "If only someone besides Hillary Clinton ran"

After the '12 election did you see anyone say "If only less people voted for Obama, Romney would have won!" Because that's all you're basically saying in there.
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TimDiamond
08/25/17 9:16:29 PM
#147:


Anteaterking posted...
TimDiamond posted...
Anteaterking posted...
TimDiamond posted...
denying him significant delegate gains despite winning the caucus by 18 points.


How did they deny him significant delegate gains?

He got a 16 delegate edge from winning Colorado.


This is article where I learned of the superdelegates committing to Clinton from the start limited the amount of delegates Sanders could win per state. Are you questioning why is this the case? The article didn't specify why.


It doesn't limit the amount of delegates Sanders could win per state any more than Sanders winning a state "limits the amount of delegate Clinton could win from that state".


Are you implying the article is incorrect here?
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Polycosm
08/25/17 10:25:38 PM
#148:


Anteaterking posted...
Polycosm posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
Polycosm posted...
I voted for Bernie, then for Gary Johnson. It had everything to do with policy positions and nothing to do with spite. I hold the DNC accountable for what they did, but that still pales in comparison to Trump's faults. I would have held my nose for Hillary if the polls had been even remotely close in my state.

Uh huh. So you go from a left candidate to a libertarian and it's all on policy?

Uh huh.

Bernie on the 3 major issue frames:
Foreign policy: non-interventionist
Social policy: progressive
Economic policy: anti-corporatist and pro wealth redistribution

So I disagree with Bernie on wealth redistribution, and that's about it. It's a pretty big, fundamental disagreement, but there's still like 85% overlap with my libertarian leanings.


How are Gary Johnson's social policies progressive?

Bad choice of words on my part, considering how the term "progressive" has morphed into something completely new in the last couple of years. What I actually mean here is: classical liberalism as it pertains to civil liberties.

Bernie and GJ were both decades ahead on issues like marijuana, in the 90s, before it was widely considered to be politically viable.
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08/26/17 1:06:37 AM
#149:


Polycosm posted...
Anteaterking posted...
Polycosm posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
Polycosm posted...
I voted for Bernie, then for Gary Johnson. It had everything to do with policy positions and nothing to do with spite. I hold the DNC accountable for what they did, but that still pales in comparison to Trump's faults. I would have held my nose for Hillary if the polls had been even remotely close in my state.

Uh huh. So you go from a left candidate to a libertarian and it's all on policy?

Uh huh.

Bernie on the 3 major issue frames:
Foreign policy: non-interventionist
Social policy: progressive
Economic policy: anti-corporatist and pro wealth redistribution

So I disagree with Bernie on wealth redistribution, and that's about it. It's a pretty big, fundamental disagreement, but there's still like 85% overlap with my libertarian leanings.


How are Gary Johnson's social policies progressive?

Bad choice of words on my part, considering how the term "progressive" has morphed into something completely new in the last couple of years. What I actually mean here is: classical liberalism as it pertains to civil liberties.

Bernie and GJ were both decades ahead on issues like marijuana, in the 90s, before it was widely considered to be politically viable.

Dude was governor of NM and was fairly bad at it.
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