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Trigg3rH4ppy 08/25/17 1:08:43 PM #102: |
Mal_Fet posted...
I love the cover of her new book Ok....I chuckled --- ~A little nonsense, now and then, is relished by the wisest men ~ TWSSted since~ 3/27/12 https://i.imgur.com/zlaENmx.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Horus_Leftfield 08/25/17 1:09:56 PM #103: |
TimDiamond posted...
Anteaterking posted...TimDiamond posted...denying him significant delegate gains despite winning the caucus by 18 points. Hill got 2,220 out of the 2,383 delegates needed to win just from the state results, NOT the supers. That's 93%. If ALL of the supers had split according to each candidate's popular vote share, she STILL woulda won. The only way Bernie could have won it is if the supers ALL broke for him and overruled the popular vote, which would be undemocratic af. If Bernie wanted to win HE should have courted African Americans better. It SUCKS he didn't because we didn't turn out of Clinton either on e day, but that doesn't change the fact that he lost because HE DIDN'T LAY GROUNDWORK WITH AFRICAN AMERICANS, not because of this fucking delusion that the DNC was rigging elections. --- "To be a poor man is hard, but to be a poor race in a land of dollars is the very bottom of hardships." -- W.E.B. Du Bois ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Waluigi7 08/25/17 1:13:15 PM #104: |
I would've been one of those people had I voted in November, although I lived in Massachusetts so it wouldn't matter.
I don't support him anymore because he's proved that he's a fucking idiot, but I'm still glad he won because he provides endless entertainment with his dumbass quotes and gives me something to talk about with people. --- Gonna go out on a limb and guess that you are a trump supporter -UnfairRepresent ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Balrog0 08/25/17 1:14:13 PM #105: |
Horus_Leftfield posted...
If Bernie wanted to win HE should have courted African Americans better. It SUCKS he didn't because we didn't turn out of Clinton either on e day, but that doesn't change the fact that he lost because HE DIDN'T LAY GROUNDWORK WITH AFRICAN AMERICANS, not because of this fucking delusion that the DNC was rigging elections. it's pretty hard to compete with the political operation Clinton inherited from both Obama and her husband, --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkphoenix181 08/25/17 1:15:44 PM #106: |
you mean Hillary rekt herself by rigging the primaries and thus pissing off these people
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TimDiamond 08/25/17 1:23:35 PM #107: |
Horus_Leftfield posted...
Hill got 2,220 out of the 2,383 delegates needed to win just from the state results, NOT the supers. That's 93%. If ALL of the supers had split according to each candidate's popular vote share, she STILL woulda won. The only way Bernie could have won it is if the supers ALL broke for him and overruled the popular vote, which would be undemocratic af. If Bernie wanted to win HE should have courted African Americans better. It SUCKS he didn't because we didn't turn out of Clinton either on e day, but that doesn't change the fact that he lost because HE DIDN'T LAY GROUNDWORK WITH AFRICAN AMERICANS, not because of this f***ing delusion that the DNC was rigging elections. The article points out one way it was rigged against him, why are you trying to refute this? And you're misinterpreting what the article says. The action of superdelegates committing to her from the start is what led to so many delegates won for her, not the quantity of superdelegates pushing her over threshold to win. --- imgtc.com/i/60CWP2Gtlg.gif imgtc.com/i/4HgTl0ebzq.jpg dude if donald trump can be president you can do what ever your heart desires- dredayy ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkphoenix181 08/25/17 1:30:39 PM #108: |
Horus_Leftfield posted...
DNC didn't rig shit against Bernie. He lost because of his own mistakes. I can't tell you how many people in my family weren't for him and still aren't for him because they never thought he was invested in our struggles and the discrimination we face every day. It was just a 1000-mile-up assessment of class inequality from him and jack all about race. what a weird post bernie was an activist in the 60s civil rights and was arrested for it on record http://www.trbimg.com/img-56cca0aa/turbine/ct-bernie-sanders-arrested-20160219 he famously gave his speech offending white people about them not knowing what it is like to live in the ghetto but you believe he never tried to reach out to minorities? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-tells-spike-lee-what-black-lives-matter-means-to-him_us_57067e01e4b0a506064e59e5 --- sigless user is me or am I? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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iPhone_7 08/25/17 1:31:17 PM #109: |
She was the party favorite for both the Democratic leadership and party members (aka the civilians who register with the party and vote in the party's primaries). Even without superdelegates and if you gave Bernie several more primary wins for the hell of it, Hillary would still have won.
Also Hillary and Bernie didn't completely agree with some of the major issues but overall were closer to Democratic policies than Trump. The only reason for a Bernie supporter to switch to Trump was because he was not Hillary and/or fell for his incoherent populist rhetoric. --- Sig User Logic http://i.imgur.com/lA5fm7w.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DreadedWave 08/25/17 1:32:20 PM #110: |
ForestLogic posted...
Hopefully Democrat party learned its lesson from this. Hopefully the Republicans do too. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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coolboy11 08/25/17 1:39:26 PM #111: |
there would have been minute differences between Sanders and Clinton policy wise on 95% of issues in the white house, the only really huge issue I could see them going noticeable apart on was US foreign policy on Afghanistan and the Mid East in general, maybe Russia also.
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darkphoenix181 08/25/17 1:43:32 PM #112: |
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-me-ln-adv-hillary-african-americans-20160603-snap-story.html
A poll of black voters in California commissioned by the African American Voter Registration Education Participation Project conducted by Evitarus found that 71% of 800 likely voters surveyed supported Clinton. But among the black voters younger than 40, half said they would probably vote for Sanders, compared with 34% for Clinton. The poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/why-hillary-clinton-lost/507704/ Explanation No. 2: The %u201CObama coalition.%u201D While Clinton%u2019s campaign was focused on television advertising aimed at suburban swing voters, there were ample warning signs that African American and Millennial voters weren%u2019t inspired by her candidacy. Polls and focus groups showed young people disliked both candidates; in interviews, black voters were unenthused. But Clinton%u2019s campaign assumed they would show up for her simply because they were afraid of Trump. https://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/11/why-hillary-clinton-couldnt-rally-the-black-vote-commentary.html Black-voter participation has increased over the past three elections cycles since 2000 %u2013 that is, until Hillary Clinton led the ticket. --- sigless user is me or am I? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darkman124 08/25/17 2:09:27 PM #113: |
Horus_Leftfield posted...
he never had african americans he was a foot soldier in the civil rights movement hillary clinton was a general in the aftermath in the 90s he never had a chance against that it's not that he lost because they rigged primaries against him, it's that despite not needing to, they put their foot on the scale anyway. that clearly pissed a lot of independents off. it probably had little impact on 'berniebros' who are mostly dyed-in-the-wool far left folks who would never vote trump (and also who are not overwhelmingly male, just overwhelmingly young) --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 08/25/17 2:18:22 PM #114: |
Shows that a lot of Bernie Bros had no values beyond shaking things up. Can't blame them for not voting Hillary; but Trump is not even close if you actually agree with Bernie's views.
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Chronofan8 08/25/17 2:19:19 PM #115: |
Hoo doggy am I ever glad the democrats aren't learning a fucking thing from this fiasco
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SavenForever 08/25/17 2:47:21 PM #116: |
Mal_Fet posted...
I love the cover of her new book Should just be a leaflet that just reads "I lost." --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BignutzisBack 08/25/17 2:58:51 PM #117: |
DreadedWave posted...
ForestLogic posted...Hopefully Democrat party learned its lesson from this. Repulicans had an overwhelming victory, what a stupid post lol --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JohnLennon6 08/25/17 3:12:50 PM #119: |
Bullet_Wing posted...
BignutzisBack posted...DreadedWave posted...ForestLogic posted...Hopefully Democrat party learned its lesson from this. They managed to flip almost the entire rust belt. --- Blue Lives Matter ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BignutzisBack 08/25/17 3:26:43 PM #120: |
Bullet_Wing posted...
BignutzisBack posted...DreadedWave posted...ForestLogic posted...Hopefully Democrat party learned its lesson from this. Your post is just sour grapes and doesn't address the point at all, they won big time no matter how badly your feelings were hurt --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DreadedWave 08/25/17 3:40:21 PM #121: |
Bullet_Wing posted...
And ended up with an incredibly unpopular, incompetent manchild. Totally winning... Overwhelming victory is factually incorrect too. It's Bignutz though so you can just ignore him. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anteaterking 08/25/17 3:50:15 PM #122: |
TimDiamond posted...
Anteaterking posted...TimDiamond posted...denying him significant delegate gains despite winning the caucus by 18 points. It doesn't limit the amount of delegates Sanders could win per state any more than Sanders winning a state "limits the amount of delegate Clinton could win from that state". --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anteaterking 08/25/17 3:53:42 PM #123: |
Darkman124 posted...
it's that despite not needing to, they put their foot on the scale anyway. that clearly pissed a lot of independents off. I think this is the most frustrating thing to me personally as a Clinton supporter. She would still have won the primary for a number of reasons, so some of the nefarious background dealings among some DNC people were unnecessary and ultimately hurtful. It's just one of these things where you give your "enemies" excuses for why they lost, which is always a bad thing. (Note, I'm using enemies here to describe people who consider Clinton their enemy, not vice versa. This also doesn't categorize most Bernie supporters) --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Great Muta 22 08/25/17 3:56:55 PM #124: |
DreadedWave posted...
Overwhelming victory is factually incorrect too. It legit is an immediate revelation to me how politically stupid someone is when they claim Trump "destroyed" Hillary, and that the election was a complete blowout. I mean that's not even close to being accurate in any sense of the word --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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marthsheretoo 08/25/17 4:02:32 PM #125: |
BignutzisBack posted...
Bullet_Wing posted...BignutzisBack posted...DreadedWave posted...ForestLogic posted...Hopefully Democrat party learned its lesson from this. "Won big time" I mean yeah, they got the presidency and the legislative branch. That looks like a big win on paper, but how successful have they been in implementing Republican policy since then? The process they went through to gain those seats fractured their ability to effectively lead and has directly led to one of the most ineffective majorities in history. --- "Even MarthKoopa has jumped on the MarthKoopa hate wagon." -DevsBro ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CW_McGraw 08/25/17 4:20:20 PM #127: |
12% of Bernie primary voters voting Trump is almost as bad as 25% of 2008 Hillary primary voters voting McCain in that general election.
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BignutzisBack 08/25/17 4:48:26 PM #129: |
The Great Muta 22 posted...
DreadedWave posted...Overwhelming victory is factually incorrect too. Let me dumb it down for you guys, it was overwhelming in how many republicans overall won their respective elections when they were expected to lose a bunch of seats Read it slowly to help yourself --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 08/25/17 4:50:10 PM #130: |
ForestLogic posted...
Hopefully Democrat party learned its lesson from this. I sure hope so cause revenge is the very reason I voted Trump. I hope they got the message. I'll vote for Bernie again next time or someone like him . But not hilary ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BignutzisBack 08/25/17 4:54:00 PM #131: |
CrimsonRage posted...
BignutzisBack posted...Bullet_Wing posted...BignutzisBack posted...DreadedWave posted...ForestLogic posted...Hopefully Democrat party learned its lesson from this. Bernie would cry tears of joy after seeing that I took hair from the back of my head who owned 99% of the hair wealth and redistributed it to barren areas where there was no hair. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ImTheMacheteGuy 08/25/17 4:56:52 PM #133: |
Bernie Sanders was the best candidate imo and I did end up voting hillary because she pissed me off less than trump did
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marthsheretoo 08/25/17 4:57:41 PM #135: |
BignutzisBack posted...
Bernie would cry tears of joy after seeing that I took hair from the back of my head who owned 99% of the hair wealth and distributed it to barren areas where there was no hair. This was actually pretty funny. +1 --- "Even MarthKoopa has jumped on the MarthKoopa hate wagon." -DevsBro ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sephiroth1288 08/25/17 4:58:56 PM #136: |
CrimsonRage posted...
Zikten posted...ForestLogic posted...Hopefully Democrat party learned its lesson from this. Gorsuch is a religious fundamentalist? --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 08/25/17 5:00:58 PM #137: |
CrimsonRage posted...
Zikten posted...ForestLogic posted...Hopefully Democrat party learned its lesson from this. In reality it doesn't really matter. At the time, I lived in a heavy blue state. That state was never going to go to Trump ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 08/25/17 5:01:23 PM #138: |
The fun thing about the election results is that, given how close things were, basically anything could have been the tipping point for Trump's victory.
Did he win because of the electoral college? Did he win because of third party voters? Did he win because of nonvoters? Did he win because of Bernie voters? Did he win because of Comey's letter? Did he win because of Hillary's vote on Iraq? The answer is not just all of the above, but any of the above. Which you choose to fixate on is just a reflection of your biases and beliefs; I myself am skeptical of explanations that blame voters for not choosing a candidate, and tend to focus on other reasons. --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hollow_shrine 08/25/17 5:03:21 PM #139: |
![]() We'd rather be wrong and feel justified than be right and feel cheated. It's not surprising. It's not even disappointing anymore. GOP politicians understand this and ride this resentiment for all its worth. I feel like some of us would be more at home there, then trying to justify themselves to people who have been warning them about their priorities for twenty months, and who don't have time for excuses. It is kind of tiresome that minorities and poor people always end up shouldering an uneven distribution of the yoke, but it's 2017 and the Klan is marching the streets in Charlottesville. What was old is now new again. --- https://i.imgtc.com/zyQ3oRW.jpg 15 Transwomen of color have been murdered since 1/1/2017 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sephiroth1288 08/25/17 5:11:44 PM #140: |
Antifar posted...
The fun thing about the election results is that, given how close things were, basically anything could have been the tipping point for Trump's victory. "Trump wouldn't have won if the FBI concealed how Hillary was under investigation and no one found out how Hillary screwed over Bernie Sanders and the rules for how a president gets elected were different even though both she and Trump would have campaigned differently if the deciding factor were a popular vote!!! " And let's not forget that Hillary had Twice The campaign funds that Trump did. What would Hillary have had to do in order for you to accept that she was just a really shit candidate compared to Trump? What if she tortured a puppy? Would you still not admit that she was terrible? --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 08/25/17 5:12:44 PM #141: |
Sephiroth1288 posted...
What would Hillary have had to do in order for you to accept that she was just a really shit candidate Hi, I don't think we've met: I'm Antifar, and I believe that Hillary Clinton was a shitty candidate. Also, Hillary would not have campaigned differently under a popular vote; they already campaigned as if one was in place. That's how dumb they were. --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sephiroth1288 08/25/17 5:13:55 PM #142: |
Antifar posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...What would Hillary have had to do in order for you to accept that she was just a really shit candidate So why are you making so many excuses for her embarassing failure? --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sephiroth1288 08/25/17 5:15:11 PM #143: |
Trump wouldn't have bothered with Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, or Michigan if it were a popular vote.
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Antifar 08/25/17 5:16:35 PM #144: |
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Antifar posted...Sephiroth1288 posted...What would Hillary have had to do in order for you to accept that she was just a really shit candidate I can't believe you read that post as "excuses" for Hillary's failure. I was just pointing out that given the nature of the results, just about everybody's reasons for her loss are correct. My view is that she was a uniquely flawed candidate for 2016 (and somehow also 2008!) who compounded the fact that no one likes her with a god-awful campaign. --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RickyTheBAWSE 08/25/17 5:17:30 PM #145: |
ForestLogic posted...
Hopefully Democrat party learned its lesson from this. lolololol! --- Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to your story! BAWSE! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 08/25/17 5:49:35 PM #146: |
Antifar posted...
I can't believe you read that post as "excuses" for Hillary's failure. Look at your list in post 138 and note how nowhere do you say "If only someone besides Hillary Clinton ran" After the '12 election did you see anyone say "If only less people voted for Obama, Romney would have won!" Because that's all you're basically saying in there. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TimDiamond 08/25/17 9:16:29 PM #147: |
Anteaterking posted...
TimDiamond posted...Anteaterking posted...TimDiamond posted...denying him significant delegate gains despite winning the caucus by 18 points. Are you implying the article is incorrect here? --- imgtc.com/i/60CWP2Gtlg.gif imgtc.com/i/4HgTl0ebzq.jpg dude if donald trump can be president you can do what ever your heart desires- dredayy ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Polycosm 08/25/17 10:25:38 PM #148: |
Anteaterking posted...
Polycosm posted...CruelBuffalo posted...Polycosm posted...I voted for Bernie, then for Gary Johnson. It had everything to do with policy positions and nothing to do with spite. I hold the DNC accountable for what they did, but that still pales in comparison to Trump's faults. I would have held my nose for Hillary if the polls had been even remotely close in my state. Bad choice of words on my part, considering how the term "progressive" has morphed into something completely new in the last couple of years. What I actually mean here is: classical liberalism as it pertains to civil liberties. Bernie and GJ were both decades ahead on issues like marijuana, in the 90s, before it was widely considered to be politically viable. --- BKSheikah owned me so thoroughly in the 2017 guru contest, I'd swear he used the Lens of Truth to pick his bracket. (thengamer.com/guru) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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P4wn4g3 08/26/17 1:06:37 AM #149: |
Polycosm posted...
Anteaterking posted...Polycosm posted...CruelBuffalo posted...Polycosm posted...I voted for Bernie, then for Gary Johnson. It had everything to do with policy positions and nothing to do with spite. I hold the DNC accountable for what they did, but that still pales in comparison to Trump's faults. I would have held my nose for Hillary if the polls had been even remotely close in my state. Dude was governor of NM and was fairly bad at it. --- Hive Mind of Dark Aether, the unofficial Metroid Social Private board. https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/851-dark-aether ... Copied to Clipboard!
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