Current Events > "No barriers, no walls, we all need to coexist." - Katy Perry

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I'll coexist with her in her bedroom.
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Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

It's a little different when you've got thousands of weirdos wanting to rape you though.

Donald Trump is that you?
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--kresnik-- posted...

she has too pile on pounds of makeup.

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You don't live in the real world either, Caution.

Ctrl+F

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Why are all pop stars leftists? It really is bizarre.

I blame MKULTRA
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Balrog0 posted...

I'm neither of those things, I'm an actual libertarian.

What point do you want? You're praising a paleocon and an organization he works with that is a hotbed for alt-right white supremacists and other blood and soil types. The picture with the league of the south is germane, because Tom Woods' main 'contribution' to libertarianism in both thought and deed is to dog-whistle it to racists along with Rockwell and Ron Paul.

There are peopel affiliated with the LvMI that aren't awful, but Tom Woods is

My god man, you're an actual libertarian? And instead of criticizing something Tom said you post a picture like that and think you've made an argument? I thought I was reading from the Huffington Post for a second there. He has spoken about states rights and succession ad nauseum. Rather than address the man's actual points, you pretend that it's all a racist dog whistle. That's right out of the MSNBC playbook. It's so lazy, I can't believe you even bothered to spend 5 minutes learning about any worldview that isn't already spelled out by the DNC or the RNC.

I think you would feel more at home on the left with people like Sam Seder and Thom Hartmann.
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tennisdude818 posted...

My god man, you're an actual libertarian? And instead of criticizing something Tom said you post a picture like that and think you've made an argument? I thought I was reading from the Huffington Post for a second there. He has spoken about states rights and succession ad nauseum. Rather than address the man's actual points, you pretend that it's all a racist dog whistle. That's right out of the MSNBC playbook. It's so lazy, I can't believe you even bothered to spend 5 minutes learning about any worldview that isn't already spelled out by the DNC or the RNC.

it's easier to show his association with an openly racist organization than it is to slog through his blogs and books, some of which aren't so bad, to demonstrate how he highlights cultural issues exclusively in a way that is packaged for the extreme right -- all the while complaining about "thick" libertarians for being too cozy with the left

even his personal explanation for why he's a founding member of the league of the south was about preserving southern heritage against "politically correct andf multicultural southern diversity" with a little bit of federalism thrown in

tennisdude818 posted...

I think you would feel more at home on the left with people like Sam Seder and Thom Hartmann.

idk who either of those people are
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Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

It's a little different when you've got thousands of weirdos wanting to rape you though.

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Balrog0 posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

My god man, you're an actual libertarian? And instead of criticizing something Tom said you post a picture like that and think you've made an argument? I thought I was reading from the Huffington Post for a second there. He has spoken about states rights and succession ad nauseum. Rather than address the man's actual points, you pretend that it's all a racist dog whistle. That's right out of the MSNBC playbook. It's so lazy, I can't believe you even bothered to spend 5 minutes learning about any worldview that isn't already spelled out by the DNC or the RNC.

it's easier to show his association with an openly racist organization than it is to slog through his blogs and books, some of which aren't so bad, to demonstrate how he highlights cultural issues exclusively in a way that is packaged for the extreme right -- all the while complaining about "thick" libertarians for being too cozy with the left

even his personal explanation for why he's a founding member of the league of the south was about preserving southern heritage against "politically correct andf multicultural southern diversity" with a little bit of federalism thrown in

tennisdude818 posted...

I think you would feel more at home on the left with people like Sam Seder and Thom Hartmann.

idk who either of those people are

"Packaged for the extreme right". It's not that he says things that are wrong, it's just packaged for nazis. Ok.
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@Balrog0

I have a question out of curiosity. You seemed to scoff at Rothbard and Mises but called yourself an "actual libertarian". Is there any particular economist that you find to be more libertarian than those two?
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tennisdude818 posted...

"Packaged for the extreme right". It's not that he says things that are wrong, it's just packaged for nazis. Ok.

No, it's quite often wrong, but that's not the problem I have with it. You can be wrong without odious, and you can be right while being awful. Is the level of discourse on this board really so low that people are incapable of understanding that?

Just look at it in terms of human action -- you've read that, right? It's very near the beginning when he talks about this, too.

Remember, every action has two aspects. An action is both a whole project aimed at a particular purpose, but also only a partial action in the broader framework of what Mises calls "further-stretching action," but which really just means the rest of our lives.

You asking me and wanting me to analyze his ideas in the first frame, but I'm more interested in the second. Why are you trying to act as though that frame is invalid for some reason? I'm not saying the first is. I like Woods on some stuff, but that doesn't change his whole project, which has clearly been to court ethnonationalist populists -- like the League of the South

tennisdude818 posted...

@Balrog0

I have a question out of curiosity. You seemed to scoff at Rothbard and Mises but called yourself an "actual libertarian". Is there any particular economist that you find to be more libertarian than those two?

I don't think I ever scoffed at them as economists, I'm saying the organization espousing their views is awful, and on top of that I'm saying Tom Woods is a bad person.


Even Mises scholars at the LvMI regularly talk about how Mises isn't very libertarian. He and Hayek both purposefully called themselves liberals.

The LvMI is much more Rothbardian in character, and Rothbard was a poor scholar.

Rothbard is probably the most anarcho-capitalist scholar I can think of -- maybe Hoppe or Walter Block would be "more libertarian"
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tennisdude818 posted...

Liberals are amazing. The small government crowd just wants the government to defend borders and property rights. Leftists want the government to everything BUT defend borders and property rights.

It's like the inverse of what the US government was supposed to be.

Exactly this. It's crazy. Also props for your sig. Sowell is the man.
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Esrac posted...

_BlueMonk posted...

i dont think thats what she meant.

She literally says no barriers, no walls.

People who advocate for no walls or barriers for the larger, national community, but then live in walled-off communities separate from the common rabble are hypocrites.

Now, one might argue she lives in a walled off community with armed security because letting anyone come and go could be dangerous. And that is the kind of argument people who oppose open-borders would make: letting anyone and everyone cross your national border is dangerous.

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UncleBourbon33 posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

Liberals are amazing. The small government crowd just wants the government to defend borders and property rights. Leftists want the government to everything BUT defend borders and property rights.

It's like the inverse of what the US government was supposed to be.

Exactly this. It's crazy. Also props for your sig. Sowell is the man.

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>numbers usa

into the trash it goes
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@Balrog0

If you are more interested in analyzing Tom Wood's ideas from the framework of further stretching action, are you accounting for the fact that he donates to Scott Horton every month, invites him on his show often, and is apparently good friends with the guy? Scott Horton is NOT courting ethnonationalists. He pushes back against the idea that there is a war of civilizations between the west and Islam. Scott isn't the only "left libertarian" that Tom invites on his show either. So I don't see how Tom is pushing a secret racist agenda.

I don't associate being pro South and pro states rights as courting ethnonationalists.
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UncleBourbon33 posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

Liberals are amazing. The small government crowd just wants the government to defend borders and property rights. Leftists want the government to everything BUT defend borders and property rights.

It's like the inverse of what the US government was supposed to be.

Exactly this. It's crazy. Also props for your sig. Sowell is the man.

Sowell is a good man. Shame he's retired, but we got a lot of good decades from him.
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No you only want small Government when it is against your beliefs. "We only want government to do this and this...until something else we want comes up then we can add that to it...oh and then that other thing...more big government for that...but that thing I'm against? Fuck that! Tell the government to fuck off!"

Caution999 posted...

"Look at me, I'm a celebrity! My opinion is somehow more valid than anyone else!"

- Trump
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