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pegusus123456 08/28/17 2:28:43 PM #51:	thompsontalker7 posted... clearaflagrantj posted... It's sad to see GoT unravel now that they can no longer follow the books. The show literally follows George's series outline, D/D are just figuring out how to format it into episodes. Even if the series gets the big story bits, there's going to be a lot of difference in the details. --- http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif <cite>pegusus123456 posted [p:885601203] in So about L... [t:75715339]...</cite> <quote><cite>thompsontalker7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>clearaflagrantj posted...</cite> <quote>It's sad to see GoT unravel now that they can no longer follow the books.</quote> The show literally follows George's series outline, D/D are just figuring out how to format it into episodes.</quote> Even if the series gets the big story bits, there's going to be a lot of difference in the details.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr_Biscuit 08/28/17 2:31:08 PM #52:	People seem to be intentionally ignoring that his plan very likely would've worked if Bran wasn't an omniscient treebirdgod. In the end, he was done in by a) mystical elements beyond his control and b) trying to sell the angle that Arya wanted to be Lady of Winterfell, a notion that would've rang true basically anywhere else, but not here. That's not Arya and Sansa knew it. The very obvious symmetry is the "worst possible reason" game, but A and B above were foreshadowed by "picture everything in your mind" and "you know your sister better than anyone." I thought it was mostly pretty poetic. --- https://www.bigplay.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/img_6703.jpg <cite>Mr_Biscuit posted [p:885601351] in So about L... [t:75715339]...</cite> <quote>People seem to be intentionally ignoring that his plan very likely would've worked if Bran wasn't an omniscient treebirdgod. In the end, he was done in by a) mystical elements beyond his control and b) trying to sell the angle that Arya wanted to be Lady of Winterfell, a notion that would've rang true basically anywhere else, but not here. That's not Arya and Sansa knew it. The very obvious symmetry is the "worst possible reason" game, but A and B above were foreshadowed by "picture everything in your mind" and "you know your sister better than anyone." I thought it was mostly pretty poetic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mr_Biscuit 08/28/17 2:36:09 PM #54:	I also thought even the pleading for his life bit was staged. I don't think he ever stopped acting. --- https://www.bigplay.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/img_6703.jpg <cite>Mr_Biscuit posted [p:885601600] in So about L... [t:75715339]...</cite> <quote>I also thought even the pleading for his life bit was staged. I don't think he ever stopped acting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn 08/28/17 2:38:44 PM #55:	DuranOfForcena posted... DarthAragorn posted... thompsontalker7 posted... clearaflagrantj posted... It's sad to see GoT unravel now that they can no longer follow the books. The show literally follows George's series outline, D/D are just figuring out how to format it into episodes. I don't think he even has an outline now in 2017, so nah what? no, he literally drafted an outline of the rest of the series specifically to give to Dan and David back when it was becoming clear that the show would outpace the books. that's what Dan and David have been operating off of since the beginning of season 6. although it's unclear how closely they are following it. everyone always assumes that they are following it pretty closely and just filling in the details (and failing at it), but they took so many liberties with the books that i see no reason to assume they wouldn't be taking just as many liberties with the broad strokes of the outline. I'm not convinced it was more than a few key points and who's left doing what at the very very end. If he had a proper outline it wouldn't be taking him so long to write. --- A thousand eyes, and one. <cite>DarthAragorn posted [p:885601729] in So about L... [t:75715339]...</cite> <quote><cite>DuranOfForcena posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarthAragorn posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thompsontalker7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>clearaflagrantj posted...</cite> <quote>It's sad to see GoT unravel now that they can no longer follow the books.</quote> The show literally follows George's series outline, D/D are just figuring out how to format it into episodes.</quote> I don't think he even has an outline now in 2017, so nah</quote> what? no, he literally drafted an outline of the rest of the series specifically to give to Dan and David back when it was becoming clear that the show would outpace the books. that's what Dan and David have been operating off of since the beginning of season 6. although it's unclear how closely they are following it. everyone always assumes that they are following it pretty closely and just filling in the details (and failing at it), but they took so many liberties with the books that i see no reason to assume they wouldn't be taking just as many liberties with the broad strokes of the outline.</quote> I'm not convinced it was more than a few key points and who's left doing what at the very very end. If he had a proper outline it wouldn't be taking him so long to write.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeeak4444 08/28/17 3:49:46 PM #57:	I don't know how so many people can be here talking about how amazing little finger is when Varys is 100x better in every single way. Little finger is trying to play a game Varys already perfected. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:885605671] in So about L... [t:75715339]...</cite> <quote>I don't know how so many people can be here talking about how amazing little finger is when Varys is 100x better in every single way. Little finger is trying to play a game Varys already perfected.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 08/28/17 3:51:35 PM #58:	DuranOfForcena posted... DarthAragorn posted... thompsontalker7 posted... clearaflagrantj posted... It's sad to see GoT unravel now that they can no longer follow the books. The show literally follows George's series outline, D/D are just figuring out how to format it into episodes. I don't think he even has an outline now in 2017, so nah what? no, he literally drafted an outline of the rest of the series specifically to give to Dan and David back when it was becoming clear that the show would outpace the books. that's what Dan and David have been operating off of since the beginning of season 6. although it's unclear how closely they are following it. everyone always assumes that they are following it pretty closely and just filling in the details (and failing at it), but they took so many liberties with the books that i see no reason to assume they wouldn't be taking just as many liberties with the broad strokes of the outline. Pretty much every book fan I've seen including me disagrees with you 100%. No one thinks they're following the outline and no one wants them to. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:885605750] in So about L... [t:75715339]...</cite> <quote><cite>DuranOfForcena posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarthAragorn posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thompsontalker7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>clearaflagrantj posted...</cite> <quote>It's sad to see GoT unravel now that they can no longer follow the books.</quote> The show literally follows George's series outline, D/D are just figuring out how to format it into episodes.</quote> I don't think he even has an outline now in 2017, so nah</quote> what? no, he literally drafted an outline of the rest of the series specifically to give to Dan and David back when it was becoming clear that the show would outpace the books. that's what Dan and David have been operating off of since the beginning of season 6. although it's unclear how closely they are following it. everyone always assumes that they are following it pretty closely and just filling in the details (and failing at it), but they took so many liberties with the books that i see no reason to assume they wouldn't be taking just as many liberties with the broad strokes of the outline.</quote> Pretty much every book fan I've seen including me disagrees with you 100%. No one thinks they're following the outline and no one wants them to.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn 08/28/17 3:52:10 PM #59:	Zeeak4444 posted... I don't know how so many people can be here talking about how amazing little finger is when Varys is 100x better in every single way. Little finger is trying to play a game Varys already perfected. Varys hasn't done shit since like season 4 either --- A thousand eyes, and one. <cite>DarthAragorn posted [p:885605787] in So about L... [t:75715339]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't know how so many people can be here talking about how amazing little finger is when Varys is 100x better in every single way. Little finger is trying to play a game Varys already perfected.</quote> Varys hasn't done shit since like season 4 either</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnholyMudcrab 08/28/17 3:58:40 PM #61:	Zeeak4444 posted... I don't know how so many people can be here talking about how amazing little finger is when Varys is 100x better in every single way. Little finger is trying to play a game Varys already perfected. The show's removal of the subplot with Young Griff left Varys with nothing at all to do. He's a background character now, even more than Littlefinger was, because at least Littlefinger had a few lines --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:885606156] in So about L... [t:75715339]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote> I don't know how so many people can be here talking about how amazing little finger is when Varys is 100x better in every single way. Little finger is trying to play a game Varys already perfected.</quote> The show's removal of the subplot with Young Griff left Varys with nothing at all to do. He's a background character now, even more than Littlefinger was, because at least Littlefinger had a few lines</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheBiggerWiggle 08/28/17 4:15:25 PM #62:	While I'm not a huge fan of D&D, I think people are being too hard on them. Don't forget they only had a year to write AND shoot this season. GRRM has been sitting on his fat ass for over 6 years and he still hasn't completed the story for this season. --- I have trouble concentrating because I have 80HD. <cite>TheBiggerWiggle posted [p:885607084] in So about L... [t:75715339]...</cite> <quote>While I'm not a huge fan of D&D, I think people are being too hard on them. Don't forget they only had a year to write AND shoot this season. GRRM has been sitting on his fat ass for over 6 years and he still hasn't completed the story for this season.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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lightwarrior78 08/28/17 5:05:28 PM #64:	I think Littlefinger's scheming abilities were rather overstated. In hindsight after last night, he started losing control a while ago. No plan of his would have involved Catherine's death. If anything his early plans seem clear cut: get Ned out of the way, console the grieving widow, say just the right things to get people he hates to kill each other thinking it was their own idea, and make a power play when enough of them had been decimated, though he never seemed the type to actually be the figurehead himself (too easy a target). When Catherine died he lost the figurehead that would have held the north together with him pulling the strings and he's been running damage control ever since. The Boltons were too difficult to deal with and Sansa wasn't playing along, so things were falling apart, but with the battle of the bastards he got a new opportunity to be the power behind the throne. He couldn't do it with Jon and Arya being more trusted in Sansa's mind so he went back to playing his games. So while anti-climactic, it was fitting for him. He's not the master schemer, but a great emotional manipulator that fell the same way all people that practice such things do: he played so long people figured out that's what he was doing. Once you accept every word out of their mouth is just playing you, you stop listening and they lose all power. --- http://backloggery.com/reddthesock <cite>lightwarrior78 posted [p:885609953] in So about L... [t:75715339]...</cite> <quote>I think Littlefinger's scheming abilities were rather overstated. In hindsight after last night, he started losing control a while ago. No plan of his would have involved Catherine's death. If anything his early plans seem clear cut: get Ned out of the way, console the grieving widow, say just the right things to get people he hates to kill each other thinking it was their own idea, and make a power play when enough of them had been decimated, though he never seemed the type to actually be the figurehead himself (too easy a target). When Catherine died he lost the figurehead that would have held the north together with him pulling the strings and he's been running damage control ever since. The Boltons were too difficult to deal with and Sansa wasn't playing along, so things were falling apart, but with the battle of the bastards he got a new opportunity to be the power behind the throne. He couldn't do it with Jon and Arya being more trusted in Sansa's mind so he went back to playing his games. So while anti-climactic, it was fitting for him. He's not the master schemer, but a great emotional manipulator that fell the same way all people that practice such things do: he played so long people figured out that's what he was doing. Once you accept every word out of their mouth is just playing you, you stop listening and they lose all power.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 08/28/17 6:40:23 PM #65:	DuranOfForcena posted... Zeeak4444 posted... No one thinks they're following the outline and no one wants them to. you are mistaken, there are plenty of people who bring up the outline and think for some reason that Dan and David are treating like the Holy Grail That's wild. Event on the tower of the hand and such I haven't seen that much. Interesting though.. DarthAragorn posted... Zeeak4444 posted... I don't know how so many people can be here talking about how amazing little finger is when Varys is 100x better in every single way. Little finger is trying to play a game Varys already perfected. Varys hasn't done shit since like season 4 either Not in the show no, but that's the point. People are talking about how the show runners don't know how to handle littlefinger (who isn't really that much more clever in the books yet) while we have Varys who was butchered and is a far more complex magnificent bastard than LF is. Edit: UnholyMudcrab posted... Zeeak4444 posted... I don't know how so many people can be here talking about how amazing little finger is when Varys is 100x better in every single way. Little finger is trying to play a game Varys already perfected. The show's removal of the subplot with Young Griff left Varys with nothing at all to do. He's a background character now, even more than Littlefinger was, because at least Littlefinger had a few lines I didn't see this until after I posted. I agree, without young griff he really had nothing to do but drink with Tyrion lol. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:885615173] in So about L... [t:75715339]...</cite> <quote><cite>DuranOfForcena posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>No one thinks they're following the outline and no one wants them to.</quote> you are mistaken, there are plenty of people who bring up the outline and think for some reason that Dan and David are treating like the Holy Grail</quote> That's wild. Event on the tower of the hand and such I haven't seen that much. Interesting though.. <cite>DarthAragorn posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't know how so many people can be here talking about how amazing little finger is when Varys is 100x better in every single way. Little finger is trying to play a game Varys already perfected.</quote> Varys hasn't done shit since like season 4 either</quote> Not in the show no, but that's the point. People are talking about how the show runners don't know how to handle littlefinger (who isn't really that much more clever in the books yet) while we have Varys who was butchered and is a far more complex magnificent bastard than LF is. Edit: <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote> I don't know how so many people can be here talking about how amazing little finger is when Varys is 100x better in every single way. Little finger is trying to play a game Varys already perfected.</quote> The show's removal of the subplot with Young Griff left Varys with nothing at all to do. He's a background character now, even more than Littlefinger was, because at least Littlefinger had a few lines</quote> I didn't see this until after I posted. I agree, without young griff he really had nothing to do but drink with Tyrion lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Neoconkers 08/28/17 6:45:11 PM #66:	The issue is the plot built him up as a master schemer, so the whole arc should end with HIS slip up. Not the bullshit copout of "oh yeah the guy you betrayed, his son becomes an omniscient bird god". --- Girls = Time x Money. Time = Money. Girls = Money x Money = Money sq. Money = sqrt Evil: Girls = sqrt Evil sq. Girls = Evil <cite>Neoconkers posted [p:885615425] in So about L... [t:75715339]...</cite> <quote>The issue is the plot built him up as a master schemer, so the whole arc should end with HIS slip up. Not the bullshit copout of "oh yeah the guy you betrayed, his son becomes an omniscient bird god".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/28/17 6:45:12 PM #67:	It seemed like he wanted to get Sansa to turn on Jon and Arya so he can take on Kings Landing with her. Not sure what he was planning to do with Dany though. Guess we didn't go that far. Not sure what he could have done once Bran entered the mix though. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:885615426] in So about L... [t:75715339]...</cite> <quote>It seemed like he wanted to get Sansa to turn on Jon and Arya so he can take on Kings Landing with her. Not sure what he was planning to do with Dany though. Guess we didn't go that far. Not sure what he could have done once Bran entered the mix though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thompsontalker7 08/28/17 9:05:42 PM #68:	pegusus123456 posted... thompsontalker7 posted... clearaflagrantj posted... It's sad to see GoT unravel now that they can no longer follow the books. The show literally follows George's series outline, D/D are just figuring out how to format it into episodes. Even if the series gets the big story bits, there's going to be a lot of difference in the details. Oh yeah of course But I'm a little annoyed when the book people act like the way the show is currently going isn't part of George's overall vision --- Joffery Baratheon did nothing wrong. (1 month rent-a-sig) President Trump is awesome. (1 month rent-a-sig) <cite>thompsontalker7 posted [p:885623238] in So about L... [t:75715339]...</cite> <quote><cite>pegusus123456 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thompsontalker7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>clearaflagrantj posted...</cite> <quote>It's sad to see GoT unravel now that they can no longer follow the books.</quote> The show literally follows George's series outline, D/D are just figuring out how to format it into episodes.</quote> Even if the series gets the big story bits, there's going to be a lot of difference in the details.</quote> Oh yeah of course But I'm a little annoyed when the book people act like the way the show is currently going isn't part of George's overall vision</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pegusus123456 08/28/17 9:17:18 PM #69:	DarthAragorn posted... Zeeak4444 posted... I don't know how so many people can be here talking about how amazing little finger is when Varys is 100x better in every single way. Little finger is trying to play a game Varys already perfected. Varys hasn't done shit since like season 4 either They cut the plot he has in the book too. When Varys sends Tyrion to Essos, he has him meet with Illyrio. Illyrio sends him to travel to Daenary with a group that includes a teenage boy and his father, Young Griff and Griff. Tyrion soon realizes that Griff is Jon Connington, the man that shortly served as Aerys' Hand before the Mad King exiled him, and that Young Griff is Aegon, the Targeryan heir that the Mountain supposedly killed. So Varys' plan isn't just to cause shit, he has a specific plan to put Aegon (or some guy they say is Aegon) on the throne. --- http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif <cite>pegusus123456 posted [p:885623928] in So about L... [t:75715339]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarthAragorn posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't know how so many people can be here talking about how amazing little finger is when Varys is 100x better in every single way. Little finger is trying to play a game Varys already perfected.</quote> Varys hasn't done shit since like season 4 either</quote> They cut the plot he has in the book too. When Varys sends Tyrion to Essos, he has him meet with Illyrio. Illyrio sends him to travel to Daenary with a group that includes a teenage boy and his father, Young Griff and Griff. Tyrion soon realizes that Griff is Jon Connington, the man that shortly served as Aerys' Hand before the Mad King exiled him, and that Young Griff is Aegon, the Targeryan heir that the Mountain supposedly killed. So Varys' plan isn't just to cause shit, he has a specific plan to put Aegon (or some guy they say is Aegon) on the throne.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn 08/28/17 9:26:54 PM #70:	pegusus123456 posted... DarthAragorn posted... Zeeak4444 posted... I don't know how so many people can be here talking about how amazing little finger is when Varys is 100x better in every single way. Little finger is trying to play a game Varys already perfected. Varys hasn't done shit since like season 4 either They cut the plot he has in the book too. When Varys sends Tyrion to Essos, he has him meet with Illyrio. Illyrio sends him to travel to Daenary with a group that includes a teenage boy and his father, Young Griff and Griff. Tyrion soon realizes that Griff is Jon Connington, the man that shortly served as Aerys' Hand before the Mad King exiled him, and that Young Griff is Aegon, the Targeryan heir that the Mountain supposedly killed. So Varys' plan isn't just to cause shit, he has a specific plan to put Aegon (or some guy they say is Aegon) on the throne. Yeah, also the whole Sept explosion replaced ~~Varys killing Kevan and Pycelle to create more chaos in Westeros to pave the way~~ --- A thousand eyes, and one. <cite>DarthAragorn posted [p:885624460] in So about L... [t:75715339]...</cite> <quote><cite>pegusus123456 posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>DarthAragorn posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote> I don't know how so many people can be here talking about how amazing little finger is when Varys is 100x better in every single way. Little finger is trying to play a game Varys already perfected. </quote> Varys hasn't done shit since like season 4 either </quote> They cut the plot he has in the book too. When Varys sends Tyrion to Essos, he has him meet with Illyrio. Illyrio sends him to travel to Daenary with a group that includes a teenage boy and his father, Young Griff and Griff. Tyrion soon realizes that Griff is Jon Connington, the man that shortly served as Aerys' Hand before the Mad King exiled him, and that Young Griff is Aegon, the Targeryan heir that the Mountain supposedly killed. So Varys' plan isn't just to cause shit, he has a specific plan to put Aegon (or some guy they say is Aegon) on the throne.</quote> Yeah, also the whole Sept explosion replaced Varys killing Kevan and Pycelle to create more chaos in Westeros to pave the way</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romulox28 08/29/17 9:46:01 AM #71:	Neoconkers posted... The issue is the plot built him up as a master schemer, so the whole arc should end with HIS slip up. Not the bullshit copout of "oh yeah the guy you betrayed, his son becomes an omniscient bird god". exactly. ive been thinking about this finale since i watched it yesterday and it still seems surreal. i half expected that scene to end with sansa waking up in bed, it just seems so out of character for everyone, cheesy, and borderline nonsensical given the 7 seasons of buildup. only way i feel this kind of an ending for littlefinger makes sense is if the actor has some kind of terminal illness or some similar situation where he needs to get written off the show ASAP --- A Green Butter Alt(TM) http://i.imgur.com/LhwwG.gif <cite>Romulox28 posted [p:885649150] in So about L... [t:75715339]...</cite> <quote><cite>Neoconkers posted...</cite> <quote>The issue is the plot built him up as a master schemer, so the whole arc should end with HIS slip up. Not the bullshit copout of "oh yeah the guy you betrayed, his son becomes an omniscient bird god".</quote> exactly. ive been thinking about this finale since i watched it yesterday and it still seems surreal. i half expected that scene to end with sansa waking up in bed, it just seems so out of character for everyone, cheesy, and borderline nonsensical given the 7 seasons of buildup. only way i feel this kind of an ending for littlefinger makes sense is if the actor has some kind of terminal illness or some similar situation where he needs to get written off the show ASAP</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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