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Callixtus 08/30/17 11:56:26 PM #52:	A_Good_Boy posted... Callixtus posted... Where's the evidence that Columbus intentionally sought to destroy Native American populations that he encountered? He wrote back to the king of Spain that the Taino Indians were perfect slave material. One of his firsts acts upon encountering a native woman was to invite her onto his ship and try to force her to have sex with his men. After she resisted he beat her mercilessly until the fight went out of her, then passed her around to his crew. This is all available with only a cursory glance at his own writings about his encounters once he discovered the new world. Do you think that it was unusual for conquerors to sexually abuse women? Do you think that is unusual, even today? It's not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Japan#U.S._military_rapes But I'm not going to go out of my way to criticize Columbus specifically for actions that male conquerors have been doing for all of history. I'm not condoning it, nor am I excusing it. But Columbus was a person of immense importance to human history, that is being attacked to satisfy an agenda. --- KhanofKhans, KhanJohnson, Saloonist, Basileos <cite>Callixtus posted [p:885756950] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>Where's the evidence that Columbus intentionally sought to destroy Native American populations that he encountered?</quote> He wrote back to the king of Spain that the Taino Indians were perfect slave material. One of his firsts acts upon encountering a native woman was to invite her onto his ship and try to force her to have sex with his men. After she resisted he beat her mercilessly until the fight went out of her, then passed her around to his crew. This is all available with only a cursory glance at his own writings about his encounters once he discovered the new world.</quote> Do you think that it was unusual for conquerors to sexually abuse women? Do you think that is unusual, even today? It's not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Japan#U.S._military_rapes But I'm not going to go out of my way to criticize Columbus specifically for actions that male conquerors have been doing for all of history. I'm not condoning it, nor am I excusing it. But Columbus was a person of immense importance to human history, that is being attacked to satisfy an agenda.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chill02 08/30/17 11:56:42 PM #53:	"there were 60,000 people living on this island, including the Indians; so that from 1494 to 1508, over three million people had perished from war, slavery, and the mines. Who in future generations will believe this? I myself writing it as a knowledgeable eyewitness can hardly believe it...." --- Ave, true to Caesar. <cite>chill02 posted [p:885756961] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote>"there were 60,000 people living on this island, including the Indians; so that from 1494 to 1508, over three million people had perished from war, slavery, and the mines. Who in future generations will believe this? I myself writing it as a knowledgeable eyewitness can hardly believe it...."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 08/30/17 11:57:14 PM #54:	I'm looking forward to leaving LA. --- "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." -Thomas Sowell <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:885756984] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote>I'm looking forward to leaving LA.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 08/30/17 11:57:54 PM #55:	chill02 posted... "there were 60,000 people living on this island, including the Indians; so that from 1494 to 1508, over three million people had perished from war, slavery, and the mines. Who in future generations will believe this? I myself writing it as a knowledgeable eyewitness can hardly believe it...." Notice that de las Casas didn't mention disease, which was almost certainly the major factor behind the deaths of those Native Americans. --- KhanofKhans, KhanJohnson, Saloonist, Basileos <cite>Callixtus posted [p:885757010] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>chill02 posted...</cite> <quote>"there were 60,000 people living on this island, including the Indians; so that from 1494 to 1508, over three million people had perished from war, slavery, and the mines. Who in future generations will believe this? I myself writing it as a knowledgeable eyewitness can hardly believe it...."</quote> Notice that de las Casas didn't mention disease, which was almost certainly the major factor behind the deaths of those Native Americans.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Capn Circus 08/30/17 11:59:49 PM #56:	They can call it whatever they want to, it will still always be Columbus Day. Retreat to the safe spaces all you want, history will never be changed. --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks <cite>Capn Circus posted [p:885757085] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote>They can call it whatever they want to, it will still always be Columbus Day. Retreat to the safe spaces all you want, history will never be changed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
literal_garbage 08/30/17 11:59:54 PM #57:	A_Good_Boy posted... WizardPowers posted... Not american but if he didnt exist wouldnt you guys like not exist? At least not as a 1st world modern nation anyways Seafaring technology didn't improve because of Columbus. Many more explorers made actual discovers surrounding the New World other than merely being the first to report back. What Columbus "accomplished" would have easily been accomplished by someone else with enough time. Enough with this liberal bullshit. It's unlikely that the landmass of America would even exist in any capacity without Columbus --- - literal garbage <cite>literal_garbage posted [p:885757090] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WizardPowers posted...</cite> <quote>Not american but if he didnt exist wouldnt you guys like not exist? At least not as a 1st world modern nation anyways</quote> Seafaring technology didn't improve because of Columbus. Many more explorers made actual discovers surrounding the New World other than merely being the first to report back. What Columbus "accomplished" would have easily been accomplished by someone else with enough time.</quote> Enough with this liberal bullshit. It's unlikely that the landmass of America would even exist in any capacity without Columbus</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chill02 08/31/17 12:00:45 AM #58:	Callixtus posted... chill02 posted... "there were 60,000 people living on this island, including the Indians; so that from 1494 to 1508, over three million people had perished from war, slavery, and the mines. Who in future generations will believe this? I myself writing it as a knowledgeable eyewitness can hardly believe it...." Notice that de las Casas didn't mention disease, which was almost certainly the major factor behind the deaths of those Native Americans. well, he wasn't a doctor --- Ave, true to Caesar. <cite>chill02 posted [p:885757131] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>chill02 posted...</cite> <quote>"there were 60,000 people living on this island, including the Indians; so that from 1494 to 1508, over three million people had perished from war, slavery, and the mines. Who in future generations will believe this? I myself writing it as a knowledgeable eyewitness can hardly believe it...."</quote> Notice that de las Casas didn't mention disease, which was almost certainly the major factor behind the deaths of those Native Americans.</quote> well, he wasn't a doctor</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lightwarrior78 08/31/17 12:01:57 AM #59:	Antifar posted... lightwarrior78 posted... I'd be more impressed if they just canned the paid day off (which let's face it, it's all it is to 99.9% of the population) instead of replacing it with some other lame excuse to to go "pay me to stay home". Wow, this is the worst take of this topic. It's inspired by an old 80s Canadian sketch comedy show: You can't do that on Television. One of the kids on the show said much the same thing about how lame it is to celebrate Columbus day, and the teacher agreed it shouldn't be celebrated, so the class could report to school that morning. Canceling the holiday shows commitment. Renaming it into a different day off is just continuing the trend of "feels good but doesn't really help anybody" activism that's been going on lately. --- http://backloggery.com/reddthesock <cite>lightwarrior78 posted [p:885757177] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lightwarrior78 posted...</cite> <quote>I'd be more impressed if they just canned the paid day off (which let's face it, it's all it is to 99.9% of the population) instead of replacing it with some other lame excuse to to go "pay me to stay home".</quote> Wow, this is the worst take of this topic.</quote> It's inspired by an old 80s Canadian sketch comedy show: You can't do that on Television. One of the kids on the show said much the same thing about how lame it is to celebrate Columbus day, and the teacher agreed it shouldn't be celebrated, so the class could report to school that morning. Canceling the holiday shows commitment. Renaming it into a different day off is just continuing the trend of "feels good but doesn't really help anybody" activism that's been going on lately.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wah_wah_wah 08/31/17 12:04:15 AM #60:	The Admiral posted... People literally so dumb that they oppose honoring a guy who they owe their existence in this country to. Columbus wasn't a great guy, but all of us (Americans) are here because of him. Erikson did it first. Columbus was just one of the many who came after, only unquestionably one of the most genocidal and cruel. <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:885757268] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>People literally so dumb that they oppose honoring a guy who they owe their existence in this country to. Columbus wasn't a great guy, but all of us (Americans) are here because of him.</quote> Erikson did it first. Columbus was just one of the many who came after, only unquestionably one of the most genocidal and cruel.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 08/31/17 12:04:31 AM #61:	lightwarrior78 posted... Canceling the holiday shows commitment. Holidays are good. Days off work are good. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:885757280] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>lightwarrior78 posted...</cite> <quote>Canceling the holiday shows commitment. </quote> Holidays are good. Days off work are good.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 08/31/17 12:06:13 AM #62:	chill02 posted... Callixtus posted... chill02 posted... "there were 60,000 people living on this island, including the Indians; so that from 1494 to 1508, over three million people had perished from war, slavery, and the mines. Who in future generations will believe this? I myself writing it as a knowledgeable eyewitness can hardly believe it...." Notice that de las Casas didn't mention disease, which was almost certainly the major factor behind the deaths of those Native Americans. well, he wasn't a doctor He's also known for wild exaggerations. I'm not saying that everything he wrote should be dismissed out of hand, nor am I claiming that colonization wasn't brutal more often than not. But to lay the entire history on the single man of Columbus is silly. --- KhanofKhans, KhanJohnson, Saloonist, Basileos <cite>Callixtus posted [p:885757345] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>chill02 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>chill02 posted...</cite> <quote>"there were 60,000 people living on this island, including the Indians; so that from 1494 to 1508, over three million people had perished from war, slavery, and the mines. Who in future generations will believe this? I myself writing it as a knowledgeable eyewitness can hardly believe it...."</quote> Notice that de las Casas didn't mention disease, which was almost certainly the major factor behind the deaths of those Native Americans.</quote> well, he wasn't a doctor</quote> He's also known for wild exaggerations. I'm not saying that everything he wrote should be dismissed out of hand, nor am I claiming that colonization wasn't brutal more often than not. But to lay the entire history on the single man of Columbus is silly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Capn Circus 08/31/17 12:06:26 AM #63:	wah_wah_wah posted... The Admiral posted... People literally so dumb that they oppose honoring a guy who they owe their existence in this country to. Columbus wasn't a great guy, but all of us (Americans) are here because of him. Erikson did it first. Columbus was just one of the many who came after, only unquestionably one of the most genocidal and cruel. Tell me more about the Vikings from Iceland and how they were so successful in establishing colonies. --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks <cite>Capn Circus posted [p:885757354] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>People literally so dumb that they oppose honoring a guy who they owe their existence in this country to. Columbus wasn't a great guy, but all of us (Americans) are here because of him.</quote> Erikson did it first. Columbus was just one of the many who came after, only unquestionably one of the most genocidal and cruel.</quote> Tell me more about the Vikings from Iceland and how they were so successful in establishing colonies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 08/31/17 12:08:37 AM #64:	Look, no one's saying disease didn't play a part. However, there is literally recorded history from many people (including Columbus himself) that the guy was some psycho near-dictator in his rule of Hispaniola and was responsible for the deaths of thousands of people. Like you think the King and Queen of Spain removed him as Governer for no reason? And Columbus is credited with starting the slave trade when he started to ship the Natives back to Europe. --- http://i.imgur.com/bbRWLI8.gif https://i.imgur.com/A0BErSV.jpg <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:885757440] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote>Look, no one's saying disease didn't play a part. However, there is literally recorded history from many people (including Columbus himself) that the guy was some psycho near-dictator in his rule of Hispaniola and was responsible for the deaths of thousands of people. Like you think the King and Queen of Spain removed him as Governer for no reason? And Columbus is credited with starting the slave trade when he started to ship the Natives back to Europe.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 08/31/17 12:08:43 AM #65:	wah_wah_wah posted... The Admiral posted... People literally so dumb that they oppose honoring a guy who they owe their existence in this country to. Columbus wasn't a great guy, but all of us (Americans) are here because of him. Erikson did it first. Columbus was just one of the many who came after, only unquestionably one of the most genocidal and cruel. Do you have any evidence that Columbus intentionally sought to destroy entire native populations? --- KhanofKhans, KhanJohnson, Saloonist, Basileos <cite>Callixtus posted [p:885757449] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>People literally so dumb that they oppose honoring a guy who they owe their existence in this country to. Columbus wasn't a great guy, but all of us (Americans) are here because of him.</quote> Erikson did it first. Columbus was just one of the many who came after, only unquestionably one of the most genocidal and cruel.</quote> Do you have any evidence that Columbus intentionally sought to destroy entire native populations?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wah_wah_wah 08/31/17 12:08:44 AM #66:	Capn Circus posted... wah_wah_wah posted... The Admiral posted... People literally so dumb that they oppose honoring a guy who they owe their existence in this country to. Columbus wasn't a great guy, but all of us (Americans) are here because of him. Erikson did it first. Columbus was just one of the many who came after, only unquestionably one of the most genocidal and cruel. Tell me more about the Vikings from Iceland and how they were so successful in establishing colonies. Hitler was pretty successful in his Holocaust too. Let's put up a statue. Maybe just augment the Robert E. Lee statues, only have Hitler just kind of hanging his arm over Lee's shoulders with the thumbs up and a cheesy smile. <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:885757450] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>People literally so dumb that they oppose honoring a guy who they owe their existence in this country to. Columbus wasn't a great guy, but all of us (Americans) are here because of him.</quote> Erikson did it first. Columbus was just one of the many who came after, only unquestionably one of the most genocidal and cruel.</quote> Tell me more about the Vikings from Iceland and how they were so successful in establishing colonies.</quote> Hitler was pretty successful in his Holocaust too. Let's put up a statue. Maybe just augment the Robert E. Lee statues, only have Hitler just kind of hanging his arm over Lee's shoulders with the thumbs up and a cheesy smile.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wah_wah_wah 08/31/17 12:11:15 AM #67:	Callixtus posted... wah_wah_wah posted... The Admiral posted... People literally so dumb that they oppose honoring a guy who they owe their existence in this country to. Columbus wasn't a great guy, but all of us (Americans) are here because of him. Erikson did it first. Columbus was just one of the many who came after, only unquestionably one of the most genocidal and cruel. Do you have any evidence that Columbus intentionally sought to destroy entire native populations? Whether it was intentional or not, who gives a shit? They're still dead. He was not a benefactor for the natives. He wanted em out. Looted the shit out of them from day 1. <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:885757553] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>People literally so dumb that they oppose honoring a guy who they owe their existence in this country to. Columbus wasn't a great guy, but all of us (Americans) are here because of him.</quote> Erikson did it first. Columbus was just one of the many who came after, only unquestionably one of the most genocidal and cruel.</quote> Do you have any evidence that Columbus intentionally sought to destroy entire native populations?</quote> Whether it was intentional or not, who gives a shit? They're still dead. He was not a benefactor for the natives. He wanted em out. Looted the shit out of them from day 1.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Capn Circus 08/31/17 12:11:21 AM #68:	wah_wah_wah posted... Capn Circus posted... wah_wah_wah posted... The Admiral posted... People literally so dumb that they oppose honoring a guy who they owe their existence in this country to. Columbus wasn't a great guy, but all of us (Americans) are here because of him. Erikson did it first. Columbus was just one of the many who came after, only unquestionably one of the most genocidal and cruel. Tell me more about the Vikings from Iceland and how they were so successful in establishing colonies. Hitler was pretty successful in his Holocaust too. Let's put up a statue. Maybe just augment the Robert E. Lee statues, only have Hitler just kind of hanging his arm over Lee's shoulders with the thumbs up and a cheesy smile. Ah, wonderful. So basically you have no retort with my question asking how the Vikings from Iceland were successful in creating colonies which lead to further exploration and establishment of the USA. Typical. Either read history or stop blatantly lying to yourself and others. --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks <cite>Capn Circus posted [p:885757556] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>People literally so dumb that they oppose honoring a guy who they owe their existence in this country to. Columbus wasn't a great guy, but all of us (Americans) are here because of him.</quote> Erikson did it first. Columbus was just one of the many who came after, only unquestionably one of the most genocidal and cruel.</quote> Tell me more about the Vikings from Iceland and how they were so successful in establishing colonies.</quote> Hitler was pretty successful in his Holocaust too. Let's put up a statue. Maybe just augment the Robert E. Lee statues, only have Hitler just kind of hanging his arm over Lee's shoulders with the thumbs up and a cheesy smile.</quote> Ah, wonderful. So basically you have no retort with my question asking how the Vikings from Iceland were successful in creating colonies which lead to further exploration and establishment of the USA. Typical. Either read history or stop blatantly lying to yourself and others.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wah_wah_wah 08/31/17 12:12:34 AM #69:	Capn Circus posted... wah_wah_wah posted... Capn Circus posted... wah_wah_wah posted... The Admiral posted... People literally so dumb that they oppose honoring a guy who they owe their existence in this country to. Columbus wasn't a great guy, but all of us (Americans) are here because of him. Erikson did it first. Columbus was just one of the many who came after, only unquestionably one of the most genocidal and cruel. Tell me more about the Vikings from Iceland and how they were so successful in establishing colonies. Hitler was pretty successful in his Holocaust too. Let's put up a statue. Maybe just augment the Robert E. Lee statues, only have Hitler just kind of hanging his arm over Lee's shoulders with the thumbs up and a cheesy smile. Ah, wonderful. So basically you have no retort with my question asking how the Vikings from Iceland were successful in creating colonies which lead to further exploration and establishment of the USA. Typical. Either read history or stop blatantly lying to yourself and others. God you're a humorless bore. <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:885757599] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>People literally so dumb that they oppose honoring a guy who they owe their existence in this country to. Columbus wasn't a great guy, but all of us (Americans) are here because of him.</quote> Erikson did it first. Columbus was just one of the many who came after, only unquestionably one of the most genocidal and cruel.</quote> Tell me more about the Vikings from Iceland and how they were so successful in establishing colonies.</quote> Hitler was pretty successful in his Holocaust too. Let's put up a statue. Maybe just augment the Robert E. Lee statues, only have Hitler just kind of hanging his arm over Lee's shoulders with the thumbs up and a cheesy smile.</quote> Ah, wonderful. So basically you have no retort with my question asking how the Vikings from Iceland were successful in creating colonies which lead to further exploration and establishment of the USA. Typical. Either read history or stop blatantly lying to yourself and others.</quote> God you're a humorless bore.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 08/31/17 12:13:43 AM #70:	Bio1590 posted... Look, no one's saying disease didn't play a part. However, there is literally recorded history from many people (including Columbus himself) that the guy was some psycho near-dictator in his rule of Hispaniola and was responsible for the deaths of thousands of people. Like you think the King and Queen of Spain removed him as Governer for no reason? And Columbus is credited with starting the slave trade when he started to ship the Natives back to Europe. No one is saying that Columbus was a great Governor. But no one is honoring Columbus for his acts in that capacity, nor excusing them. They're honoring his brave voyage that created the modern world as we know it. Similarly, no one honors the Founding Fathers for creating a constitution that perpetuated the practice of slavery, thus relegating millions of people to a state of servitude. They honor their virtues. Why is is this so hard to comprehend? Human beings are imperfect creatures. To expect someone from the Late Middle Ages to act like Martin Luther King when it came to race relations is unrealistic and childish. --- KhanofKhans, KhanJohnson, Saloonist, Basileos <cite>Callixtus posted [p:885757635] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote>Look, no one's saying disease didn't play a part. However, there is literally recorded history from many people (including Columbus himself) that the guy was some psycho near-dictator in his rule of Hispaniola and was responsible for the deaths of thousands of people. Like you think the King and Queen of Spain removed him as Governer for no reason? And Columbus is credited with starting the slave trade when he started to ship the Natives back to Europe.</quote> No one is saying that Columbus was a great Governor. But no one is honoring Columbus for his acts in that capacity, nor excusing them. They're honoring his brave voyage that created the modern world as we know it. Similarly, no one honors the Founding Fathers for creating a constitution that perpetuated the practice of slavery, thus relegating millions of people to a state of servitude. They honor their virtues. Why is is this so hard to comprehend? Human beings are imperfect creatures. To expect someone from the Late Middle Ages to act like Martin Luther King when it came to race relations is unrealistic and childish.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Skye Reynolds 08/31/17 12:13:47 AM #71:	Fine by me. Fuck Columbus. <cite>Skye Reynolds posted [p:885757639] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote>Fine by me. Fuck Columbus.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RebelElite791 08/31/17 12:14:53 AM #72:	Isn't it interesting how only a select group of people here, the same group as usual, is so upset by this --- http://i.imgur.com/MS5SvzN.gif https://i.imgur.com/ahQpG57.jpg <cite>RebelElite791 posted [p:885757680] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote>Isn't it interesting how only a select group of people here, the same group as usual, is so upset by this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GOATSLAYER 08/31/17 12:15:32 AM #73:	Why don't we celebrate Amerigo Day instead? He's the one who figured out that America wasn't India, after all. --- Hide your kids, hide your goats <cite>GOATSLAYER posted [p:885757709] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote>Why don't we celebrate Amerigo Day instead? He's the one who figured out that America wasn't India, after all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 08/31/17 12:15:55 AM #74:	literal_garbage posted... A_Good_Boy posted... WizardPowers posted... Not american but if he didnt exist wouldnt you guys like not exist? At least not as a 1st world modern nation anyways Seafaring technology didn't improve because of Columbus. Many more explorers made actual discovers surrounding the New World other than merely being the first to report back. What Columbus "accomplished" would have easily been accomplished by someone else with enough time. Enough with this liberal bullshit. It's unlikely that the landmass of America would even exist in any capacity without Columbus Europeans weren't looking for a sea route to Asia until Columbus set off on his voyage? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2.2 <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:885757725] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>literal_garbage posted...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>WizardPowers posted...</cite> <quote> Not american but if he didnt exist wouldnt you guys like not exist? At least not as a 1st world modern nation anyways </quote> Seafaring technology didn't improve because of Columbus. Many more explorers made actual discovers surrounding the New World other than merely being the first to report back. What Columbus "accomplished" would have easily been accomplished by someone else with enough time.</quote> Enough with this liberal bullshit. It's unlikely that the landmass of America would even exist in any capacity without Columbus</quote> Europeans weren't looking for a sea route to Asia until Columbus set off on his voyage?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 08/31/17 12:15:56 AM #75:	wah_wah_wah posted... Callixtus posted... wah_wah_wah posted... The Admiral posted... People literally so dumb that they oppose honoring a guy who they owe their existence in this country to. Columbus wasn't a great guy, but all of us (Americans) are here because of him. Erikson did it first. Columbus was just one of the many who came after, only unquestionably one of the most genocidal and cruel. Do you have any evidence that Columbus intentionally sought to destroy entire native populations? Whether it was intentional or not, who gives a shit? They're still dead. He was not a benefactor for the natives. He wanted em out. Looted the shit out of them from day 1. Actually it matters a great deal when you're accusing someone of genocide. There's a huge difference between 80-90% of the Indians in Hispaniola dying because of the diseases that Columbus and his men happened to bring by mere chance, and Columbus ordering the deaths of tens of thousands of people (something which he did not have the capacity to do btw) --- KhanofKhans, KhanJohnson, Saloonist, Basileos <cite>Callixtus posted [p:885757726] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>People literally so dumb that they oppose honoring a guy who they owe their existence in this country to. Columbus wasn't a great guy, but all of us (Americans) are here because of him.</quote> Erikson did it first. Columbus was just one of the many who came after, only unquestionably one of the most genocidal and cruel.</quote> Do you have any evidence that Columbus intentionally sought to destroy entire native populations?</quote> Whether it was intentional or not, who gives a shit? They're still dead. He was not a benefactor for the natives. He wanted em out. Looted the shit out of them from day 1.</quote> Actually it matters a great deal when you're accusing someone of genocide. There's a huge difference between 80-90% of the Indians in Hispaniola dying because of the diseases that Columbus and his men happened to bring by mere chance, and Columbus ordering the deaths of tens of thousands of people (something which he did not have the capacity to do btw)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RebelElite791 08/31/17 12:16:20 AM #76:	A_Good_Boy posted... literal_garbage posted... A_Good_Boy posted... WizardPowers posted... Not american but if he didnt exist wouldnt you guys like not exist? At least not as a 1st world modern nation anyways Seafaring technology didn't improve because of Columbus. Many more explorers made actual discovers surrounding the New World other than merely being the first to report back. What Columbus "accomplished" would have easily been accomplished by someone else with enough time. Enough with this liberal bullshit. It's unlikely that the landmass of America would even exist in any capacity without Columbus Europeans weren't looking for a sea route to Asia until Columbus set off on his voyage? i'm pretty sure he's joking. Hence the username and the "landmass of America wouldn't exist" comment --- http://i.imgur.com/MS5SvzN.gif https://i.imgur.com/ahQpG57.jpg <cite>RebelElite791 posted [p:885757736] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>literal_garbage posted...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>WizardPowers posted...</cite> <quote> Not american but if he didnt exist wouldnt you guys like not exist? At least not as a 1st world modern nation anyways </quote> Seafaring technology didn't improve because of Columbus. Many more explorers made actual discovers surrounding the New World other than merely being the first to report back. What Columbus "accomplished" would have easily been accomplished by someone else with enough time.</quote> Enough with this liberal bullshit. It's unlikely that the landmass of America would even exist in any capacity without Columbus</quote> Europeans weren't looking for a sea route to Asia until Columbus set off on his voyage?</quote> i'm pretty sure he's joking. Hence the username and the "landmass of America wouldn't exist" comment</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningAce11 08/31/17 12:17:04 AM #77:	I mean, it's still going to be a paid holiday, right? You could name it George Zimmerman day as long as people got the day off. --- "I'm an atheist too but still believe in hell. That's where you're headed pal." - Mr_Karate_II <cite>LightningAce11 posted [p:885757763] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote>I mean, it's still going to be a paid holiday, right? You could name it George Zimmerman day as long as people got the day off.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 08/31/17 12:17:21 AM #78:	RebelElite791 posted... Isn't it interesting how only a select group of people here, the same group as usual, is so upset by this It's always the same individuals too. It's almost like they don't actually have opinions greater than "what pisses off liberals". --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2.2 <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:885757773] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote>Isn't it interesting how only a select group of people here, the same group as usual, is so upset by this</quote> It's always the same individuals too. It's almost like they don't actually have opinions greater than "what pisses off liberals".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wah_wah_wah 08/31/17 12:19:02 AM #79:	Callixtus posted... wah_wah_wah posted... Callixtus posted... wah_wah_wah posted... The Admiral posted... People literally so dumb that they oppose honoring a guy who they owe their existence in this country to. Columbus wasn't a great guy, but all of us (Americans) are here because of him. Erikson did it first. Columbus was just one of the many who came after, only unquestionably one of the most genocidal and cruel. Do you have any evidence that Columbus intentionally sought to destroy entire native populations? Whether it was intentional or not, who gives a shit? They're still dead. He was not a benefactor for the natives. He wanted em out. Looted the shit out of them from day 1. Actually it matters a great deal when you're accusing someone of genocide. There's a huge difference between 80-90% of the Indians in Hispaniola dying because of the diseases that Columbus and his men happened to bring by mere chance, and Columbus ordering the deaths of tens of thousands of people (something which he did not have the capacity to do btw) So because most died of disease, the others that died through deliberate murder (of which you seem to suggest it could be up to 20% of their entire population), no big deal? <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:885757835] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>People literally so dumb that they oppose honoring a guy who they owe their existence in this country to. Columbus wasn't a great guy, but all of us (Americans) are here because of him.</quote> Erikson did it first. Columbus was just one of the many who came after, only unquestionably one of the most genocidal and cruel.</quote> Do you have any evidence that Columbus intentionally sought to destroy entire native populations?</quote> Whether it was intentional or not, who gives a shit? They're still dead. He was not a benefactor for the natives. He wanted em out. Looted the shit out of them from day 1.</quote> Actually it matters a great deal when you're accusing someone of genocide. There's a huge difference between 80-90% of the Indians in Hispaniola dying because of the diseases that Columbus and his men happened to bring by mere chance, and Columbus ordering the deaths of tens of thousands of people (something which he did not have the capacity to do btw)</quote> So because most died of disease, the others that died through deliberate murder (of which you seem to suggest it could be up to 20% of their entire population), no big deal?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Capn Circus 08/31/17 12:19:04 AM #80:	wah_wah_wah posted... Capn Circus posted... wah_wah_wah posted... Capn Circus posted... wah_wah_wah posted... The Admiral posted... People literally so dumb that they oppose honoring a guy who they owe their existence in this country to. Columbus wasn't a great guy, but all of us (Americans) are here because of him. Erikson did it first. Columbus was just one of the many who came after, only unquestionably one of the most genocidal and cruel. Tell me more about the Vikings from Iceland and how they were so successful in establishing colonies. Hitler was pretty successful in his Holocaust too. Let's put up a statue. Maybe just augment the Robert E. Lee statues, only have Hitler just kind of hanging his arm over Lee's shoulders with the thumbs up and a cheesy smile. Ah, wonderful. So basically you have no retort with my question asking how the Vikings from Iceland were successful in creating colonies which lead to further exploration and establishment of the USA. Typical. Either read history or stop blatantly lying to yourself and others. God you're a humorless bore. If you were being satirical you should have done a much better job. --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks <cite>Capn Circus posted [p:885757837] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>People literally so dumb that they oppose honoring a guy who they owe their existence in this country to. Columbus wasn't a great guy, but all of us (Americans) are here because of him.</quote> Erikson did it first. Columbus was just one of the many who came after, only unquestionably one of the most genocidal and cruel.</quote> Tell me more about the Vikings from Iceland and how they were so successful in establishing colonies.</quote> Hitler was pretty successful in his Holocaust too. Let's put up a statue. Maybe just augment the Robert E. Lee statues, only have Hitler just kind of hanging his arm over Lee's shoulders with the thumbs up and a cheesy smile.</quote> Ah, wonderful. So basically you have no retort with my question asking how the Vikings from Iceland were successful in creating colonies which lead to further exploration and establishment of the USA. Typical. Either read history or stop blatantly lying to yourself and others.</quote> God you're a humorless bore.</quote> If you were being satirical you should have done a much better job.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wah_wah_wah 08/31/17 12:20:39 AM #81:	Capn Circus posted... wah_wah_wah posted... Capn Circus posted... wah_wah_wah posted... Capn Circus posted... wah_wah_wah posted... The Admiral posted... People literally so dumb that they oppose honoring a guy who they owe their existence in this country to. Columbus wasn't a great guy, but all of us (Americans) are here because of him. Erikson did it first. Columbus was just one of the many who came after, only unquestionably one of the most genocidal and cruel. Tell me more about the Vikings from Iceland and how they were so successful in establishing colonies. Hitler was pretty successful in his Holocaust too. Let's put up a statue. Maybe just augment the Robert E. Lee statues, only have Hitler just kind of hanging his arm over Lee's shoulders with the thumbs up and a cheesy smile. Ah, wonderful. So basically you have no retort with my question asking how the Vikings from Iceland were successful in creating colonies which lead to further exploration and establishment of the USA. Typical. Either read history or stop blatantly lying to yourself and others. God you're a humorless bore. If you were being satirical you should have done a much better job. You should stop whining about everything. You're coming off as the gas station owner who claims the pennies in give-a-penny-take-a-penny on his taxes <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:885757889] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>People literally so dumb that they oppose honoring a guy who they owe their existence in this country to. Columbus wasn't a great guy, but all of us (Americans) are here because of him.</quote> Erikson did it first. Columbus was just one of the many who came after, only unquestionably one of the most genocidal and cruel.</quote> Tell me more about the Vikings from Iceland and how they were so successful in establishing colonies.</quote> Hitler was pretty successful in his Holocaust too. Let's put up a statue. Maybe just augment the Robert E. Lee statues, only have Hitler just kind of hanging his arm over Lee's shoulders with the thumbs up and a cheesy smile.</quote> Ah, wonderful. So basically you have no retort with my question asking how the Vikings from Iceland were successful in creating colonies which lead to further exploration and establishment of the USA. Typical. Either read history or stop blatantly lying to yourself and others.</quote> God you're a humorless bore.</quote> If you were being satirical you should have done a much better job.</quote> You should stop whining about everything. You're coming off as the gas station owner who claims the pennies in give-a-penny-take-a-penny on his taxes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chill02 08/31/17 12:20:40 AM #82:	Capn Circus posted... wah_wah_wah posted... Capn Circus posted... wah_wah_wah posted... Capn Circus posted... wah_wah_wah posted... The Admiral posted... People literally so dumb that they oppose honoring a guy who they owe their existence in this country to. Columbus wasn't a great guy, but all of us (Americans) are here because of him. Erikson did it first. Columbus was just one of the many who came after, only unquestionably one of the most genocidal and cruel. Tell me more about the Vikings from Iceland and how they were so successful in establishing colonies. Hitler was pretty successful in his Holocaust too. Let's put up a statue. Maybe just augment the Robert E. Lee statues, only have Hitler just kind of hanging his arm over Lee's shoulders with the thumbs up and a cheesy smile. Ah, wonderful. So basically you have no retort with my question asking how the Vikings from Iceland were successful in creating colonies which lead to further exploration and establishment of the USA. Typical. Either read history or stop blatantly lying to yourself and others. God you're a humorless bore. If you were being satirical you should have done a much better job. https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75717702 --- Ave, true to Caesar. <cite>chill02 posted [p:885757890] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>People literally so dumb that they oppose honoring a guy who they owe their existence in this country to. Columbus wasn't a great guy, but all of us (Americans) are here because of him.</quote> Erikson did it first. Columbus was just one of the many who came after, only unquestionably one of the most genocidal and cruel.</quote> Tell me more about the Vikings from Iceland and how they were so successful in establishing colonies.</quote> Hitler was pretty successful in his Holocaust too. Let's put up a statue. Maybe just augment the Robert E. Lee statues, only have Hitler just kind of hanging his arm over Lee's shoulders with the thumbs up and a cheesy smile.</quote> Ah, wonderful. So basically you have no retort with my question asking how the Vikings from Iceland were successful in creating colonies which lead to further exploration and establishment of the USA. Typical. Either read history or stop blatantly lying to yourself and others.</quote> God you're a humorless bore.</quote> If you were being satirical you should have done a much better job.</quote> https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75717702</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 08/31/17 12:21:53 AM #83:	Callixtus posted... A_Good_Boy posted... Callixtus posted... Where's the evidence that Columbus intentionally sought to destroy Native American populations that he encountered? He wrote back to the king of Spain that the Taino Indians were perfect slave material. One of his firsts acts upon encountering a native woman was to invite her onto his ship and try to force her to have sex with his men. After she resisted he beat her mercilessly until the fight went out of her, then passed her around to his crew. This is all available with only a cursory glance at his own writings about his encounters once he discovered the new world. Do you think that it was unusual for conquerors to sexually abuse women? Do you think that is unusual, even today? It's not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Japan#U.S._military_rapes But I'm not going to go out of my way to criticize Columbus specifically for actions that male conquerors have been doing for all of history. I'm not condoning it, nor am I excusing it. But Columbus was a person of immense importance to human history, that is being attacked to satisfy an agenda. You don't applaud them for those rapes, do you? So why are you applauding Columbus? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2.2 <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:885757929] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote> Where's the evidence that Columbus intentionally sought to destroy Native American populations that he encountered? </quote> He wrote back to the king of Spain that the Taino Indians were perfect slave material. One of his firsts acts upon encountering a native woman was to invite her onto his ship and try to force her to have sex with his men. After she resisted he beat her mercilessly until the fight went out of her, then passed her around to his crew. This is all available with only a cursory glance at his own writings about his encounters once he discovered the new world.</quote> Do you think that it was unusual for conquerors to sexually abuse women? Do you think that is unusual, even today? It's not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Japan#U.S._military_rapes But I'm not going to go out of my way to criticize Columbus specifically for actions that male conquerors have been doing for all of history. I'm not condoning it, nor am I excusing it. But Columbus was a person of immense importance to human history, that is being attacked to satisfy an agenda.</quote> You don't applaud them for those rapes, do you? So why are you applauding Columbus?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
literal_garbage 08/31/17 12:22:31 AM #84:	A_Good_Boy posted... literal_garbage posted... A_Good_Boy posted... WizardPowers posted... Not american but if he didnt exist wouldnt you guys like not exist? At least not as a 1st world modern nation anyways Seafaring technology didn't improve because of Columbus. Many more explorers made actual discovers surrounding the New World other than merely being the first to report back. What Columbus "accomplished" would have easily been accomplished by someone else with enough time. Enough with this liberal bullshit. It's unlikely that the landmass of America would even exist in any capacity without Columbus Europeans weren't looking for a sea route to Asia until Columbus set off on his voyage? Europeans barely knew that Asia even existed back then --- - literal garbage <cite>literal_garbage posted [p:885757958] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>literal_garbage posted...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>WizardPowers posted...</cite> <quote> Not american but if he didnt exist wouldnt you guys like not exist? At least not as a 1st world modern nation anyways </quote> Seafaring technology didn't improve because of Columbus. Many more explorers made actual discovers surrounding the New World other than merely being the first to report back. What Columbus "accomplished" would have easily been accomplished by someone else with enough time.</quote> Enough with this liberal bullshit. It's unlikely that the landmass of America would even exist in any capacity without Columbus</quote> Europeans weren't looking for a sea route to Asia until Columbus set off on his voyage?</quote> Europeans barely knew that Asia even existed back then</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bevan306 08/31/17 12:24:08 AM #85:	fair next --- http://rateyourmusic.com/~bevan http://i.imgur.com/5Ta28.jpg <cite>bevan306 posted [p:885758020] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote>fair next</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 08/31/17 12:24:36 AM #86:	literal_garbage posted... A_Good_Boy posted... literal_garbage posted... A_Good_Boy posted... WizardPowers posted... Not american but if he didnt exist wouldnt you guys like not exist? At least not as a 1st world modern nation anyways Seafaring technology didn't improve because of Columbus. Many more explorers made actual discovers surrounding the New World other than merely being the first to report back. What Columbus "accomplished" would have easily been accomplished by someone else with enough time. Enough with this liberal bullshit. It's unlikely that the landmass of America would even exist in any capacity without Columbus Europeans weren't looking for a sea route to Asia until Columbus set off on his voyage? Europeans barely knew that Asia even existed back then You right fam. That's my bad doggy. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2.2 <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:885758032] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>literal_garbage posted...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>literal_garbage posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>WizardPowers posted...</cite> <quote> Not american but if he didnt exist wouldnt you guys like not exist? At least not as a 1st world modern nation anyways </quote> Seafaring technology didn't improve because of Columbus. Many more explorers made actual discovers surrounding the New World other than merely being the first to report back. What Columbus "accomplished" would have easily been accomplished by someone else with enough time. </quote> Enough with this liberal bullshit. It's unlikely that the landmass of America would even exist in any capacity without Columbus </quote> Europeans weren't looking for a sea route to Asia until Columbus set off on his voyage?</quote> Europeans barely knew that Asia even existed back then</quote> You right fam. That's my bad doggy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Capn Circus 08/31/17 12:27:16 AM #87:	wah_wah_wah posted... You should stop whining about everything. You're coming off as the gas station owner who claims the pennies in give-a-penny-take-a-penny on his taxes Making relevant points that you clearly can't dismiss or dispute is not whining. The only whining being done is the SJWs and leftists trying to dishonor key figures of North American history. --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks <cite>Capn Circus posted [p:885758143] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote>You should stop whining about everything. You're coming off as the gas station owner who claims the pennies in give-a-penny-take-a-penny on his taxes</quote> Making relevant points that you clearly can't dismiss or dispute is not whining. The only whining being done is the SJWs and leftists trying to dishonor key figures of North American history.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wah_wah_wah 08/31/17 12:31:48 AM #88:	Capn Circus posted... wah_wah_wah posted... You should stop whining about everything. You're coming off as the gas station owner who claims the pennies in give-a-penny-take-a-penny on his taxes Making relevant points that you clearly can't dismiss or dispute is not whining. The only whining being done is the SJWs and leftists trying to dishonor key figures of North American history. Columbus must be a SJW and a leftist, since his own words condemn him the most, without much effort. <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:885758330] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote>You should stop whining about everything. You're coming off as the gas station owner who claims the pennies in give-a-penny-take-a-penny on his taxes</quote> Making relevant points that you clearly can't dismiss or dispute is not whining. The only whining being done is the SJWs and leftists trying to dishonor key figures of North American history.</quote> Columbus must be a SJW and a leftist, since his own words condemn him the most, without much effort.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 08/31/17 12:32:18 AM #89:	A_Good_Boy posted... Callixtus posted... A_Good_Boy posted... Callixtus posted... Where's the evidence that Columbus intentionally sought to destroy Native American populations that he encountered? He wrote back to the king of Spain that the Taino Indians were perfect slave material. One of his firsts acts upon encountering a native woman was to invite her onto his ship and try to force her to have sex with his men. After she resisted he beat her mercilessly until the fight went out of her, then passed her around to his crew. This is all available with only a cursory glance at his own writings about his encounters once he discovered the new world. Do you think that it was unusual for conquerors to sexually abuse women? Do you think that is unusual, even today? It's not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Japan#U.S._military_rapes But I'm not going to go out of my way to criticize Columbus specifically for actions that male conquerors have been doing for all of history. I'm not condoning it, nor am I excusing it. But Columbus was a person of immense importance to human history, that is being attacked to satisfy an agenda. You don't applaud them for those rapes, do you? So why are you applauding Columbus? I'm not applauding Columbus for rapes either, are you obtuse? I'm saying that's what conquerors have done throughout all of history. And even in the modern era, when the stigma against it is much greater it still happened rampantly even during the so-called Greatest Generation. --- KhanofKhans, KhanJohnson, Saloonist, Basileos <cite>Callixtus posted [p:885758353] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote> Where's the evidence that Columbus intentionally sought to destroy Native American populations that he encountered? </quote> He wrote back to the king of Spain that the Taino Indians were perfect slave material. One of his firsts acts upon encountering a native woman was to invite her onto his ship and try to force her to have sex with his men. After she resisted he beat her mercilessly until the fight went out of her, then passed her around to his crew. This is all available with only a cursory glance at his own writings about his encounters once he discovered the new world.</quote> Do you think that it was unusual for conquerors to sexually abuse women? Do you think that is unusual, even today? It's not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Japan#U.S._military_rapes But I'm not going to go out of my way to criticize Columbus specifically for actions that male conquerors have been doing for all of history. I'm not condoning it, nor am I excusing it. But Columbus was a person of immense importance to human history, that is being attacked to satisfy an agenda.</quote> You don't applaud them for those rapes, do you? So why are you applauding Columbus?</quote> I'm not applauding Columbus for rapes either, are you obtuse? I'm saying that's what conquerors have done throughout all of history. And even in the modern era, when the stigma against it is much greater it still happened rampantly even during the so-called Greatest Generation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 08/31/17 12:33:50 AM #90:	wah_wah_wah posted... Callixtus posted... wah_wah_wah posted... Callixtus posted... wah_wah_wah posted... The Admiral posted... People literally so dumb that they oppose honoring a guy who they owe their existence in this country to. Columbus wasn't a great guy, but all of us (Americans) are here because of him. Erikson did it first. Columbus was just one of the many who came after, only unquestionably one of the most genocidal and cruel. Do you have any evidence that Columbus intentionally sought to destroy entire native populations? Whether it was intentional or not, who gives a shit? They're still dead. He was not a benefactor for the natives. He wanted em out. Looted the shit out of them from day 1. Actually it matters a great deal when you're accusing someone of genocide. There's a huge difference between 80-90% of the Indians in Hispaniola dying because of the diseases that Columbus and his men happened to bring by mere chance, and Columbus ordering the deaths of tens of thousands of people (something which he did not have the capacity to do btw) So because most died of disease, the others that died through deliberate murder (of which you seem to suggest it could be up to 20% of their entire population), no big deal? Columbus didn't personally oversee the destruction of 10-20% of the population either, unless you have sources to prove your bogus claims of genocide otherwise. Do you? --- KhanofKhans, KhanJohnson, Saloonist, Basileos <cite>Callixtus posted [p:885758421] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>People literally so dumb that they oppose honoring a guy who they owe their existence in this country to. Columbus wasn't a great guy, but all of us (Americans) are here because of him.</quote> Erikson did it first. Columbus was just one of the many who came after, only unquestionably one of the most genocidal and cruel.</quote> Do you have any evidence that Columbus intentionally sought to destroy entire native populations?</quote> Whether it was intentional or not, who gives a shit? They're still dead. He was not a benefactor for the natives. He wanted em out. Looted the shit out of them from day 1.</quote> Actually it matters a great deal when you're accusing someone of genocide. There's a huge difference between 80-90% of the Indians in Hispaniola dying because of the diseases that Columbus and his men happened to bring by mere chance, and Columbus ordering the deaths of tens of thousands of people (something which he did not have the capacity to do btw)</quote> So because most died of disease, the others that died through deliberate murder (of which you seem to suggest it could be up to 20% of their entire population), no big deal?</quote> Columbus didn't personally oversee the destruction of 10-20% of the population either, unless you have sources to prove your bogus claims of genocide otherwise. Do you?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jborgan 08/31/17 12:37:58 AM #91:	Columbus rapes, pillages, murders, and enslaves every indigenous person he can get his hands on. It got so bad that they were killing themselves just so they wouldn't have to suffer under his rule. "So he was imperfect. Is he supposed to be like Martin Luther King? We're honoring his accomplishments, not him. Besides, disease killed most of them anyway, and he wasn't the only one committing atrocities. They all were." I don't care whether Columbus Day is renamed or removed or what, but defending him this much seems pretty silly. Does it physically pain you guys to admit he was an awful person, even going by the standards of his era? --- http://www.last.fm/user/jborgan <cite>jborgan posted [p:885758581] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote>Columbus rapes, pillages, murders, and enslaves every indigenous person he can get his hands on. It got so bad that they were killing themselves just so they wouldn't have to suffer under his rule. "So he was imperfect. Is he supposed to be like Martin Luther King? We're honoring his accomplishments, not him. Besides, disease killed most of them anyway, and he wasn't the only one committing atrocities. They all were." I don't care whether Columbus Day is renamed or removed or what, but defending him this much seems pretty silly. Does it physically pain you guys to admit he was an awful person, even going by the standards of his era?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Capn Circus 08/31/17 12:40:16 AM #92:	wah_wah_wah posted... Capn Circus posted... wah_wah_wah posted... You should stop whining about everything. You're coming off as the gas station owner who claims the pennies in give-a-penny-take-a-penny on his taxes Making relevant points that you clearly can't dismiss or dispute is not whining. The only whining being done is the SJWs and leftists trying to dishonor key figures of North American history. Columbus must be a SJW and a leftist, since his own words condemn him the most, without much effort. Lol. Go hit the books on some more Erikson, perhaps even try to retrace his paths. Maybe you'll find some revolutionary discovery that he's the one truly responsible for European colonization of North America. Keep digging, it might be there.. --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks <cite>Capn Circus posted [p:885758682] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote>You should stop whining about everything. You're coming off as the gas station owner who claims the pennies in give-a-penny-take-a-penny on his taxes</quote> Making relevant points that you clearly can't dismiss or dispute is not whining. The only whining being done is the SJWs and leftists trying to dishonor key figures of North American history.</quote> Columbus must be a SJW and a leftist, since his own words condemn him the most, without much effort.</quote> Lol. Go hit the books on some more Erikson, perhaps even try to retrace his paths. Maybe you'll find some revolutionary discovery that he's the one truly responsible for European colonization of North America. Keep digging, it might be there..</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sayoria 08/31/17 12:41:14 AM #93:	Damnit. When is this shit going to stop? --- i.imgur.com/OBxVnqJ.png ~ www.azaleasdolls.com/dressupgames/heroine-creator.php i.imgur.com/Pj3WBiE.jpg ~ www.dolldivine.com/sailor-moon-senshi-maker.php <cite>Sayoria posted [p:885758725] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote>Damnit. When is this shit going to stop?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 08/31/17 12:43:11 AM #94:	jborgan posted... Columbus rapes, pillages, murders, and enslaves every indigenous person he can get his hands on. It got so bad that they were killing themselves just so they wouldn't have to suffer under his rule. "So he was imperfect. Is he supposed to be like Martin Luther King? We're honoring his accomplishments, not him. Besides, disease killed most of them anyway, and he wasn't the only one committing atrocities. They all were." I don't care whether Columbus Day is renamed or removed or what, but defending him this much seems pretty silly. Does it physically pain you guys to admit he was an awful person, even going by the standards of his era? A lot of the writing about Columbus is greatly exaggerated, and was written by his enemies. That is not to say he was a good person because he wasn't by our standards. On the other hand, one of the most admired people of all time is Julius Caesar, who did commit atrocities far worst than Columbus could ever manage. Yet people rightly recognize that Caesar was a man of his time, and did great things within the expectations set for his age. However, since Columbus happened to commit some atrocities against Natives, instead of other Europeans, we have to ignore anything brave he ever did or any contribution he ever made. We also have to apply modern standards to him as if he just died last week. --- KhanofKhans, KhanJohnson, Saloonist, Basileos <cite>Callixtus posted [p:885758807] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>jborgan posted...</cite> <quote>Columbus rapes, pillages, murders, and enslaves every indigenous person he can get his hands on. It got so bad that they were killing themselves just so they wouldn't have to suffer under his rule. "So he was imperfect. Is he supposed to be like Martin Luther King? We're honoring his accomplishments, not him. Besides, disease killed most of them anyway, and he wasn't the only one committing atrocities. They all were." I don't care whether Columbus Day is renamed or removed or what, but defending him this much seems pretty silly. Does it physically pain you guys to admit he was an awful person, even going by the standards of his era?</quote> A lot of the writing about Columbus is greatly exaggerated, and was written by his enemies. That is not to say he was a good person because he wasn't by our standards. On the other hand, one of the most admired people of all time is Julius Caesar, who did commit atrocities far worst than Columbus could ever manage. Yet people rightly recognize that Caesar was a man of his time, and did great things within the expectations set for his age. However, since Columbus happened to commit some atrocities against Natives, instead of other Europeans, we have to ignore anything brave he ever did or any contribution he ever made. We also have to apply modern standards to him as if he just died last week.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 08/31/17 12:43:50 AM #95:	UrCa1988 posted... Antifar posted... It will be a paid holiday for city employees. All I care about tbh. Yep. Call me selfish or whatever you want, but I don't care about the history of any of these holidays as long as it's a paid day off. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:885758838] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>UrCa1988 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>It will be a paid holiday for city employees. </quote> All I care about tbh.</quote> Yep. Call me selfish or whatever you want, but I don't care about the history of any of these holidays as long as it's a paid day off.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wah_wah_wah 08/31/17 12:45:13 AM #96:	Callixtus posted... Columbus didn't personally oversee the destruction of 10-20% of the population either, unless you have sources to prove your bogus claims of genocide otherwise. Do you? It was obviously genocidal. I don't know the exact numbers (those percentages were based on your own numbers - if you think 80-90% died of disease, what do you think the other up to 20% died of, if the assumption was not Columbus killing them? did Columbus just hug them too hard for gracefully giving their land to him voluntarily?), but they were explicitly targeted and also killed and enslaved based on their race. Others have already shown you other quotes from Columbus' diary and you embarrassingly rationalize the behavior. <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:885758888] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>Columbus didn't personally oversee the destruction of 10-20% of the population either, unless you have sources to prove your bogus claims of genocide otherwise. Do you? </quote> It was obviously genocidal. I don't know the exact numbers (those percentages were based on your own numbers - if you think 80-90% died of disease, what do you think the other up to 20% died of, if the assumption was not Columbus killing them? did Columbus just hug them too hard for gracefully giving their land to him voluntarily?), but they were explicitly targeted and also killed and enslaved based on their race. Others have already shown you other quotes from Columbus' diary and you embarrassingly rationalize the behavior.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 08/31/17 12:46:25 AM #97:	At some point people have to stop trying to appease SJWs. They will always find a new boogeyman to fight. They have no endgame. --- "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." -Thomas Sowell <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:885758936] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote>At some point people have to stop trying to appease SJWs. They will always find a new boogeyman to fight. They have no endgame.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wah_wah_wah 08/31/17 12:47:42 AM #98:	Capn Circus posted... wah_wah_wah posted... Capn Circus posted... wah_wah_wah posted... You should stop whining about everything. You're coming off as the gas station owner who claims the pennies in give-a-penny-take-a-penny on his taxes Making relevant points that you clearly can't dismiss or dispute is not whining. The only whining being done is the SJWs and leftists trying to dishonor key figures of North American history. Columbus must be a SJW and a leftist, since his own words condemn him the most, without much effort. Lol. Go hit the books on some more Erikson, perhaps even try to retrace his paths. Maybe you'll find some revolutionary discovery that he's the one truly responsible for European colonization of North America. Keep digging, it might be there.. You're framing "genocide" as "set up successful colonies" because you're fucked in the head. It would be funny if you were funny, but you're also boring too. Typical mundane message board barbs. <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:885758996] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote>You should stop whining about everything. You're coming off as the gas station owner who claims the pennies in give-a-penny-take-a-penny on his taxes</quote> Making relevant points that you clearly can't dismiss or dispute is not whining. The only whining being done is the SJWs and leftists trying to dishonor key figures of North American history.</quote> Columbus must be a SJW and a leftist, since his own words condemn him the most, without much effort.</quote> Lol. Go hit the books on some more Erikson, perhaps even try to retrace his paths. Maybe you'll find some revolutionary discovery that he's the one truly responsible for European colonization of North America. Keep digging, it might be there..</quote> You're framing "genocide" as "set up successful colonies" because you're fucked in the head. It would be funny if you were funny, but you're also boring too. Typical mundane message board barbs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
weapon_d00d816 08/31/17 12:50:07 AM #99:	Oh cool the "Columbus was evil" meme has breached into reality --- SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SlG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SlG <cite>weapon_d00d816 posted [p:885759081] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote>Oh cool the "Columbus was evil" meme has breached into reality</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hyperpsycho 08/31/17 12:50:33 AM #100:	Sounds good to me. --- http://i.imgur.com/ZrnUI3A.jpg ~drawn by United_World <cite>hyperpsycho posted [p:885759087] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote>Sounds good to me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 08/31/17 12:54:40 AM #101:	wah_wah_wah posted... Callixtus posted... Columbus didn't personally oversee the destruction of 10-20% of the population either, unless you have sources to prove your bogus claims of genocide otherwise. Do you? It was obviously genocidal. I don't know the exact numbers (those percentages were based on your own numbers - if you think 80-90% died of disease, what do you think the other up to 20% died of, if the assumption was not Columbus killing them? did Columbus just hug them too hard for gracefully giving their land to him voluntarily?), but they were explicitly targeted and also killed and enslaved based on their race. Others have already shown you other quotes from Columbus' diary and you embarrassingly rationalize the behavior. Newsflash: Columbus didn't show up and then all of the Indians died. There were still Indians on Hispaniola for decades after he was gone. Just another example of the played out game of tagging Columbus with anything bad that happened to any native anywhere. --- KhanofKhans, KhanJohnson, Saloonist, Basileos <cite>Callixtus posted [p:885759246] in L.A. Votes... [t:75725711]...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>Columbus didn't personally oversee the destruction of 10-20% of the population either, unless you have sources to prove your bogus claims of genocide otherwise. Do you? </quote> It was obviously genocidal. I don't know the exact numbers (those percentages were based on your own numbers - if you think 80-90% died of disease, what do you think the other up to 20% died of, if the assumption was not Columbus killing them? did Columbus just hug them too hard for gracefully giving their land to him voluntarily?), but they were explicitly targeted and also killed and enslaved based on their race. Others have already shown you other quotes from Columbus' diary and you embarrassingly rationalize the behavior.</quote> Newsflash: Columbus didn't show up and then all of the Indians died. There were still Indians on Hispaniola for decades after he was gone. Just another example of the played out game of tagging Columbus with anything bad that happened to any native anywhere.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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