Current Events > Missouri fires personal trainer because he attended 'Unite The Right' Rally

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JohnLennon6 posted...

Its been proven time and time again that we don't actually have free speech in this country.

Of course we do. That's why people can choose to disassociate from fucking Nazis.
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Antifar posted...

JohnLennon6 posted...

Its been proven time and time again that we don't actually have free speech in this country.

I trust that you wish to get rid of at will employment and otherwise enshrine protections for workers from the whims of their bosses to fire them over the things they do outside of work.

Oh please.

If this guy was fired for attending a gay pride parade you'd be the first one leading the outrage. Not defending at will employment.
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are you equating being a member of the LGBT community and being a racist?
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My Missouri didn't fire him.
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nazis and white supremacists aren't a race, religion, gender or sexual orientation. It's 100% ok to fire someone for being a nazi or white supremacist. It's as good a reason as any, if not better than most

even if you aren't morally opposed, it's bad for business. the general populace is not for white supremacy, so it reflects badly on you if you keep them around
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Antifar posted...

JohnLennon6 posted...

Its been proven time and time again that we don't actually have free speech in this country.

I trust that you wish to get rid of at will employment and otherwise enshrine protections for workers from the whims of their bosses to fire them over the things they do outside of work.

Oh please.

If this guy was fired for attending a gay pride parade you'd be the first one leading the outrage. Not defending at will employment.

Stop equating a gay pride parade to a neo-Nazi/white supremacist rally. It makes you look like an ass.

A better example would be an antifa rally and fuck all of the violent people on that side as well.
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boxington posted...

are you equating being a member of the LGBT community and being a racist?

Pretty on point for an UnfairRepresent topic.
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You all evading thee point says it all.
you can't suppport at will employment soley for people you dislike and then be opposed to it for people you like.

That's hypocrisy.
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Imagine being dumb enough to compare Nazis to a race of people or sexual orientation
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LGBT people are a protected class, though, IIRC.
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Why should I feel bad about nazis losing their jobs again? They deserve it
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boxington posted...

LGBT people are a protected class, though, IIRC.

If you support protected classes then you don't support at will employment

At least not without being a hypocrite like antifa
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I guess he did Nazi that coming
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Unfair, is it better to support people with what they're born with (skin colour, sexual orientation), or what they learn (extremist beliefs, religion)?

Where do you draw the line IYO?
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LightningAce11 posted...

Unfair, is it better to support people with what they're born with (skin colour, sexual orientation), or what they learn (extremist beliefs, religion)?

Where do you draw the line IYO?

I don't understand the question. It's good to support everyone
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UnfairRepresent posted...

LightningAce11 posted...

Unfair, is it better to support people with what they're born with (skin colour, sexual orientation), or what they learn (extremist beliefs, religion)?

Where do you draw the line IYO?

I don't understand the question. It's good to support everyone

My question is, would you support someone who's born a certain way over someone with certain beliefs? Is it better to defend people for something they can't control over something they can?
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That sounds awful vague to me.

I don't get why beating a guy for being Chinese and beating a guy for enjoying Chinese food are any better or worse than each other
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Twin3Turbo posted...

Kavatar posted...

Zikten posted...

boxington posted...

neo-nazis are a subgroup that falls under the white supremacy umbrella

yes but that doesn't mean all white supremecists are nazis. I just think the term nazi is uses too much these days. I think not everyone called a nazi is actually a nazi

How about we call them all "shit" instead?

Don't want to give shit a bad reputation being associated with these guys.

Yeah, I like taking a good shit every once in a while.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

That sounds awful vague to me.

I don't get why beating a guy for being Chinese and beating a guy for enjoying Chinese food are any better or worse than each other

It's not awfully vague. I gave examples in my previous posts.

Would you support someone who was chinese over someone who hated chinese people and went on marches proclaiming how much he hated them?
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If they needed help i would help either


I don't agree with your implication that we should be hypocrites and potentially violent to men we may disagree with.

There is no way to balance supporting at will employment and protected classes. They are contradictory
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I should have been clearer: I oppose at will employment, and I believe that all workers should have a union and collectively bargained rights and protections. My point was more to suggest that these goals are the solution to the problem perceived by our conservative buddy Mr. Lennon, who I doubt supports unions and worker protections. I don't believe his distaste at capital's power over this worker is accompanied by the willingness to actually challenge that power.

In our current circumstances, I am not going to lose sleep of a Nazi losing his job, but he should have a union.

Also, Jesus, being a white supremacist is not the same as being gay
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I'm not implying anything. I never said anything about violence.

Do you believe that something you're born with (ethnicity, gender) trump something that is learned (racism, religious beliefs) in terms of being "protected"?

Say, what would you think is worse? Being discriminated because you are black, or because you have white supremacist beliefs?
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LightningAce11 posted...

Say, what would you think is worse? Being discriminated because you are black, or because you have white supremacist beliefs?

What do you think is worse? Being beaten with a rusty hook ir being beaten with a tire iron?

I find the question silly. Discrimination is bad. Arguing that your prejudice is "less bad" than other people therefore it's okay to be a hypocrite is logic that leads to madness
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UnfairRepresent posted...

What do you think is worse? Being beaten with a rusty hook ir being beaten with a tire iron?

What does this have to do with what I ask? They're in no way comparable.

UnfairRepresent posted...

I find the question silly. Discrimination is bad. Arguing that your prejudice is "less bad" than other people therefore it's okay to be a hypocrite is logic that leads to madness

Why is the question silly? Discrimination is bad, yes, but surely discriminating on the basis of race, gender etc. is somewhat worse than discriminating based on beliefs? Would you agree, or would you find them to be equal?
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Ooh boy, arguing with Unfair when he's in full contrarian mode. Good luck to you breh.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

Ooh boy, arguing with Unfair when he's in full contrarian mode. Good luck to you breh.

Well, I'm just trying to get his point of view, but I do dislike it when he sets up strawmen and acts smug.
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I think arguing which hypocrisy and which discrimination is "better or worse" than the other is a silly waste of time.


Is racism against a black guy 3 points? Black girl 4? GAY Muslim in a wheelchair 7?


Youre trying to flatly quantify being a dick . I don't see the purpose. That's not how logic and reasoning works.

Being a hypocrite makes you a hypocrite
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Youre trying to flatly quantify being a dick

Wanting to exclude white supremacists from your company is not being a dick
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But how is excluding a white supremacist and excluding a person because they are black the same same thing?
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JohnLennon6 posted...

Its been proven time and time again that we don't actually have free speech in this country.

1. You dont live in this country.
2. You clearly dont understand what Free speech entails.
3. Close your account and check into a mental hospital.
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LightningAce11 posted...

But how is excluding a white supremacist and excluding a person because they are black the same same thing?

*if you believe in at will employment and yet also protected classes

That's the context of the hypocrisy you are ignoring
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How can you be a nazi and simultaneously claim you're not a nazi?
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untrustful posted...

How can you be a nazi and simultaneously claim you're not a nazi?

Either by being a liar or by not being a Nazi
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The new america.....land of the sheep....home of the snowflake.

JohnLennon6 posted...

Its been proven time and time again that we don't actually have free speech in this country.

Read up on the First Amendment.
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Lordsai posted...

The new america.....land of the sheep....home of the snowflake.

In what old America did people willingly associate with known Nazis? I mean outside of Operation Paperclip.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Lordsai posted...

The new america.....land of the sheep....home of the snowflake.

In what old America did people willingly associate with known Nazis? I mean outside of Operation Paperclip.

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Lordsai posted...

The new america.....land of the sheep....home of the snowflake.

always been America. just now other demographics are getting in on the action, and that's not fun for those who have been traditionally like that that due to "heritage" claims.
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