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FLUFFYGERM
09/01/17 2:47:31 PM
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@RPGaddict28

do you really believe all of that?
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darkjedilink
09/01/17 2:59:08 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
glitteringfairy posted...
True communism would be fantastic but it's impossible to achieve with humans in charge of it.

Great idea on paper, nowhere near achievable

The traditional nuclear family is a working model of ideal communism.

Not in the least. 'It takes a village...' is, however, and that's the antithesis of the nuclear family.
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RPGaddict28
09/01/17 2:59:24 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
@RPGaddict28

do you really believe all of that?

The numbers, that capitalism is the cause or that communism would fix it?
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pinky0926
09/01/17 3:03:18 PM
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pikachupwnage posted...
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Antifar posted...
The financial crisis


And the ever increasing wealth divide


You will have the same thing just with the high level government officials having the money and resources instead of Bill gates, Elon Musk, Mark zuckerberg and the like.


I'm not defending communism, just explaining why young people might be disillusioned with the current state of the world and looking to other ideologies that claim to fix these problems
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Kavatar
09/01/17 3:04:23 PM
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I've seen a lot of support for democratic socialism, but where are all these people supporting communism?
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Twinmold
09/01/17 3:05:52 PM
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Aaand you just employed a weasely method to imply that I'm a white supremacist sympathizer. I guess you don't really have an issue with words being deceptively misused after all.

And many conservatives show a surprising amount of concern for the safety of nazis rights and ideologies. I wish they would stop posturing, and pretending that they aren't just racist towards blacks, and spiteful towards Democrats. That's what all of this is. It's posturing.

Not every conservative is a Nazi. That would be a blatant misgeneralization, but a hefty portion harbor a lot of racial resentment, even if they would deny it to high heaven. I think a lot of conservatives see these nazis and white supremacists as part of "their team." They may not want to show them around town, but they get awfully defensive when they're attacked.
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Questionmarktarius
09/01/17 3:09:58 PM
#57:


darkjedilink posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
glitteringfairy posted...
True communism would be fantastic but it's impossible to achieve with humans in charge of it.

Great idea on paper, nowhere near achievable

The traditional nuclear family is a working model of ideal communism.

Not in the least. 'It takes a village...' is, however, and that's the antithesis of the nuclear family.


Father: The worker who thinks he's really in control, and the only truly productive member.
Mother: The one who's really in control, while letting the worker (father) think otherwise.
Children: Assigned menial and meaningless (but vastly overstated) tasks by the family authority, and punished as they rebel.
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darkjedilink
09/01/17 3:31:08 PM
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Twinmold posted...
Aaand you just employed a weasely method to imply that I'm a white supremacist sympathizer. I guess you don't really have an issue with words being deceptively misused after all.

And many conservatives show a surprising amount of concern for the safety of nazis rights and ideologies. I wish they would stop posturing, and pretending that they aren't just racist towards blacks, and spiteful towards Democrats. That's what all of this is. It's posturing.

Not every conservative is a Nazi. That would be a blatant misgeneralization, but a hefty portion harbor a lot of racial resentment, even if they would deny it to high heaven. I think a lot of conservatives see these nazis and white supremacists as part of "their team." They may not want to show them around town, but they get awfully defensive when they're attacked.

ITP - having an issue with someone's rights being violated makes you a racist.

I guess the Civil Rights Act is racist, huh?
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DreadedWave
09/01/17 3:36:25 PM
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Because capitalism is a doomed system.
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mario2000
09/01/17 3:43:46 PM
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when did communism become so popular amongst the young and uneducated?

not sure if satire or just doesn't know what communism is
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Newhopes
09/01/17 3:46:08 PM
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DreadedWave posted...
Because capitalism is a doomed system.


And we've had a 100 years of communism been a complete and utter failure, so whats your point?
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The Admiral
09/01/17 3:59:02 PM
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mario2000 posted...
when did communism become so popular amongst the young and uneducated?

not sure if satire or just doesn't know what communism is


Sounds like he's got a pretty good handle on it.
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tennisdude818
09/01/17 4:05:06 PM
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Twinmold posted...
Aaand you just employed a weasely method to imply that I'm a white supremacist sympathizer. I guess you don't really have an issue with words being deceptively misused after all.

And many conservatives show a surprising amount of concern for the safety of nazis rights and ideologies. I wish they would stop posturing, and pretending that they aren't just racist towards blacks, and spiteful towards Democrats. That's what all of this is. It's posturing.

Not every conservative is a Nazi. That would be a blatant misgeneralization, but a hefty portion harbor a lot of racial resentment, even if they would deny it to high heaven. I think a lot of conservatives see these nazis and white supremacists as part of "their team." They may not want to show them around town, but they get awfully defensive when they're attacked.


When I oppose the "punch a nazi" movement that may look like concern for their well being to people who don't understand the value in free speech.

"Racial resentment" is a staple of cultural Marxism. Would you like for me to post videos of angry non whites saying whites should have their shit taken away?
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tennisdude818
09/01/17 5:19:49 PM
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CrimsonRage posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
Twinmold posted...
Aaand you just employed a weasely method to imply that I'm a white supremacist sympathizer. I guess you don't really have an issue with words being deceptively misused after all.

And many conservatives show a surprising amount of concern for the safety of nazis rights and ideologies. I wish they would stop posturing, and pretending that they aren't just racist towards blacks, and spiteful towards Democrats. That's what all of this is. It's posturing.

Not every conservative is a Nazi. That would be a blatant misgeneralization, but a hefty portion harbor a lot of racial resentment, even if they would deny it to high heaven. I think a lot of conservatives see these nazis and white supremacists as part of "their team." They may not want to show them around town, but they get awfully defensive when they're attacked.


When I oppose the "punch a nazi" movement that may look like concern for their well being to people who don't understand the value in free speech.


They defend Nazis in a way they would never defend communists, Islamists, BLM, Antifa, etc.

Twinmold hit the nail on the head. They see Nazis/white supremacists as people on "their side", even if they may not personally like them. Hence they defend them. Enemy of my enemy and all that.


This doesn't address my post at all so I'm wondering why I'm even quoted here.

When Antifa calls everybody to the right of Hillary Clinton a nazi I'm going to take notice. It doesn't have anything to do with me identifying with actual nazis. Leftists are the ones grouping nazis in with me.

The amount of projection from the left is staggering. "Don't carelessly call everybody you disagree with a communist! Also I see nazis everywhere. Racial resentment is bad! Also I side with cultural Marxists."
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averagejoel
09/01/17 5:39:57 PM
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Newhopes posted...
DreadedWave posted...
Because capitalism is a doomed system.


And we've had a 100 years of communism been a complete and utter failure, so whats your point?

1. there have been socialist states, but full communism has never been achieved
2. the biggest obstacle to socialism has been US interference
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darkjedilink
09/01/17 5:45:02 PM
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averagejoel posted...
Newhopes posted...
DreadedWave posted...
Because capitalism is a doomed system.

And we've had a 100 years of communism been a complete and utter failure, so whats your point?

1. there have been socialist states, but full communism has never been achieved
2. the biggest obstacle to socialism has been US interference

Pretty sure Russia's food lines being blocks long for some stale bread and days-old sausage had more to do with socialism's proven shittiness than America ever did.
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PonyLivesMatter
09/01/17 5:47:37 PM
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luigi13579 posted...
I think it's a reaction against modern captalism / neoliberalism, which they feel is unsustainable and makes people do terrible things to survive within it. Communism is basically the antithesis of that: a classless, moneyless, stateless society.


Ironoc since under communism you have to do terrible things to survive by default.
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averagejoel
09/01/17 5:53:27 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
averagejoel posted...
Newhopes posted...
DreadedWave posted...
Because capitalism is a doomed system.

And we've had a 100 years of communism been a complete and utter failure, so whats your point?

1. there have been socialist states, but full communism has never been achieved
2. the biggest obstacle to socialism has been US interference

Pretty sure Russia's food lines being blocks long for some stale bread and days-old sausage had more to do with socialism's proven shittiness than America ever did.

you think one famine in one country did more to harm socialism than the funding of counterrevolutionary groups, assassination or kidnapping of democratically elected leaders, and installation of fascist dictators, in like 20+ countries?
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GenGrievous03
09/01/17 6:11:23 PM
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I'm not even communist (lean more towards social democracy), but lol at using death tolls attributed to communism. "Communist dictators have killed millions!!!". And capitalism hasn't?

Also, you can say what you will about Cuba, but there is not a single homeless person on there, literacy rate is pretty much 100%, etc.

Meanwhile, go for a walk in any urban center in the United States and tell me unchecked capitalism doesn't kill.
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metralo
09/01/17 6:11:38 PM
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SharpX68000 posted...
Communism has proven to be more deadly in its impact.

no.
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metralo
09/01/17 6:12:22 PM
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communist dictators haven't even killed millions. its obvious propaganda that's still in effect to this day.

capitalism kills millions yearly.
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tennisdude818
09/01/17 6:16:01 PM
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ITT there are some holocoaust denial level delusional statements.
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darkjedilink
09/01/17 6:33:10 PM
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averagejoel posted...
darkjedilink posted...
averagejoel posted...
Newhopes posted...
DreadedWave posted...
Because capitalism is a doomed system.

And we've had a 100 years of communism been a complete and utter failure, so whats your point?

1. there have been socialist states, but full communism has never been achieved
2. the biggest obstacle to socialism has been US interference

Pretty sure Russia's food lines being blocks long for some stale bread and days-old sausage had more to do with socialism's proven shittiness than America ever did.

you think one famine in one country did more to harm socialism than the funding of counterrevolutionary groups, assassination or kidnapping of democratically elected leaders, and installation of fascist dictators, in like 20+ countries?

The food lines were the result of socialism, and affected hundreds of millions of people - the very people being crushed by it, so yes, I do.
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wah_wah_wah
09/01/17 6:39:22 PM
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To some extent the free market is for suckers. That's why wealthy people preach about the free market. Not because it helps the poor and their managers. Because the free market is not what they participated in to get rich, oh no, but if everyone had the power and protection they had, then the whole system falls apart. So get back to work, bitch. Daddy needs a new government-protected yacht.
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FLUFFYGERM
09/01/17 6:57:23 PM
#76:


averagejoel is a joke. he has no evidence for his ridiculous claims. i asked him for sources a couple days ago and he barfed up some wikipedia articles that didn't even say what he says.
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The Admiral
09/01/17 7:04:10 PM
#77:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
averagejoel is a joke. he has no evidence for his ridiculous claims. i asked him for sources a couple days ago and he barfed up some wikipedia articles that didn't even say what he says.


He's a gimmick account who posts this stuff intentionally, like metarlo. I have no clue why people keep having serious discussions with him.
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FLUFFYGERM
09/01/17 7:08:46 PM
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wah_wah_wah posted...
To some extent the free market is for suckers. That's why wealthy people preach about the free market. Not because it helps the poor and their managers. Because the free market is not what they participated in to get rich, oh no, but if everyone had the power and protection they had, then the whole system falls apart. So get back to work, bitch. Daddy needs a new government-protected yacht.


the poor in the west have a phenomenal standard of living. it has been improving in every way. thanks free enterprise!!!
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darkjedilink
09/01/17 7:08:58 PM
#79:


wah_wah_wah posted...
To some extent the free market is for suckers. That's why wealthy people preach about the free market. Not because it helps the poor and their managers. Because the free market is not what they participated in to get rich, oh no, but if everyone had the power and protection they had, then the whole system falls apart. So get back to work, bitch. Daddy needs a new government-protected yacht.

Those "protections" you spew hatred towards the rich over prove it's not a free market.
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FLUFFYGERM
09/01/17 7:09:16 PM
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The Admiral posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
averagejoel is a joke. he has no evidence for his ridiculous claims. i asked him for sources a couple days ago and he barfed up some wikipedia articles that didn't even say what he says.


He's a gimmick account who posts this stuff intentionally, like metarlo. I have no clue why people keep having serious discussions with him.


idk i think he is serious
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averagejoel
09/01/17 8:01:05 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
averagejoel is a joke. he has no evidence for his ridiculous claims. i asked him for sources a couple days ago and he barfed up some wikipedia articles that didn't even say what he says.

I wasn't even making an argument - I said that the US interfered in foreign democracies, and I linked to sources that gave evidence of that

you dismissed it by asking me to link to people making arguments when I never made any in the first place
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hockeybub89
09/01/17 8:22:29 PM
#82:


The Admiral posted...
mario2000 posted...
when did communism become so popular amongst the young and uneducated?

not sure if satire or just doesn't know what communism is


Sounds like he's got a pretty good handle on it.

Not if he thinks it is popular among any generation. Does CE even have communists anymore? I know I have never met any in real life.
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tennisdude818
09/01/17 8:24:04 PM
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Class based communism has been replaced by the oppression olympics aka social Marxism.
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hockeybub89
09/01/17 8:26:52 PM
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tennisdude818 posted...
Class based communism has been replaced by the oppression olympics aka social Marxism.

Replaced by who in where? Angry Facebook posts? Neither of those have any traction in most developed countries.
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tennisdude818
09/01/17 8:50:08 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
Class based communism has been replaced by the oppression olympics aka social Marxism.

Replaced by who in where? Angry Facebook posts? Neither of those have any traction in most developed countries.


By the leftist academia and media in the West. I'm referring to intersectional feminism and critical race theory. These are much older than Facebook and the internet.
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GenGrievous03
09/01/17 9:00:03 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
wah_wah_wah posted...
To some extent the free market is for suckers. That's why wealthy people preach about the free market. Not because it helps the poor and their managers. Because the free market is not what they participated in to get rich, oh no, but if everyone had the power and protection they had, then the whole system falls apart. So get back to work, bitch. Daddy needs a new government-protected yacht.


the poor in the west have a phenomenal standard of living. it has been improving in every way. thanks free enterprise!!!


tfw when the countries with the highest standards of living are the ones with strong government regulation on the economy (Welfare states). They are not full blown socialist states, but are far from having neoliberal politics.

Hell, even the United States lived its glory days in terms of standars of living during the 50's and 60's due to FDR's legacy of semi Keynesian politics.
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Smoke944
09/01/17 9:10:23 PM
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GenGrievous03 posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
wah_wah_wah posted...
To some extent the free market is for suckers. That's why wealthy people preach about the free market. Not because it helps the poor and their managers. Because the free market is not what they participated in to get rich, oh no, but if everyone had the power and protection they had, then the whole system falls apart. So get back to work, bitch. Daddy needs a new government-protected yacht.


the poor in the west have a phenomenal standard of living. it has been improving in every way. thanks free enterprise!!!


tfw when the countries with the highest standards of living are the ones with strong government regulation on the economy (Welfare states). They are not full blown socialist states, but are far from having neoliberal politics.

Hell, even the United States lived its glory days in terms of standars of living during the 50's and 60's due to FDR's legacy of semi Keynesian politics.


Those were the glory days because the manufacturing base of Europe and Asia was a smoldering ruin.
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averagejoel
09/01/17 10:37:10 PM
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tennisdude818 posted...
Class based communism has been replaced by the oppression olympics aka social Marxism.

the people that I assume you're talking about are not marxists - they're just talking about their experience, not necessarily grounding that with a lens of dialectical materialism

not that there's anything wrong with that per se, but it's a different thing
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FLUFFYGERM
09/01/17 10:41:42 PM
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averagejoel posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
averagejoel is a joke. he has no evidence for his ridiculous claims. i asked him for sources a couple days ago and he barfed up some wikipedia articles that didn't even say what he says.

I wasn't even making an argument - I said that the US interfered in foreign democracies, and I linked to sources that gave evidence of that

you dismissed it by asking me to link to people making arguments when I never made any in the first place


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Dragonblade01
09/01/17 10:47:21 PM
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I don't really think communism is all that popular.

Rather, it seems what's becoming more popular is the desire for more policies which include socialist ideas.
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Knowledge_King
09/02/17 1:25:53 AM
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tennisdude818 posted...


And cancer is capitalisims fault!


Kinda. It stems from bad diet which is heavily influenced by capitalism. Also less incentive to find cheap cures.
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Antifar
09/02/17 7:41:40 AM
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Southernfatman
09/02/17 8:23:19 AM
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I've seen more critics of capitalism being called communists (when they are not) than actual supporters of communism.

People who want communism are silly, but so are people who heavily support and never criticize our so called "free market" capitalism.
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EverDownward
09/02/17 8:27:14 AM
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Excuse you, TC, communism is popular among the young and educated. They went to college, so it's pointless to argue them.
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FLUFFYGERM
09/02/17 9:29:36 AM
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Knowledge_King posted...
tennisdude818 posted...


And cancer is capitalisims fault!


Kinda. It stems from bad diet which is heavily influenced by capitalism. Also less incentive to find cheap cures.


under capitalism there is a lot of incentive to have the best product at the lowest cost. cheap cures would steal a lot of market share from the expensive cures.

this is why products and services are overall getting cheaper with time
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Sinroth
09/02/17 9:46:55 AM
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I think the online interest in communism is actually an online interest in social democracies with strong welfare states, not any actual serious opposition to capitalism as a system
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untrustful
09/02/17 9:53:15 AM
#98:


pinky0926 posted...
Antifar posted...
The financial crisis


And the ever increasing wealth divide

And more expensive college education
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averagejoel
09/02/17 10:01:37 AM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
averagejoel posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
averagejoel is a joke. he has no evidence for his ridiculous claims. i asked him for sources a couple days ago and he barfed up some wikipedia articles that didn't even say what he says.

I wasn't even making an argument - I said that the US interfered in foreign democracies, and I linked to sources that gave evidence of that

you dismissed it by asking me to link to people making arguments when I never made any in the first place


hahaha

I know, right? it's ridiculous that you did it
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The Admiral
09/02/17 11:12:36 AM
#100:


Dragonblade01 posted...
Rather, it seems what's becoming more popular is the desire for more policies which include socialist ideas.


What's becoming popular to young people is programs where they get free things, or get social praises for granting free things to other people, and never pay for it themselves. When young people touting socialism/communism are asked to personally contribute more money to make these expanded social programs viable, they become extremely conservative:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/in-theory/wp/2016/03/24/millennials-like-socialism-until-they-get-jobs/
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Dragonblade01
09/02/17 11:18:05 AM
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Barring deep-rooted ideas, it's not surprising at all that many people align with what fits their immediate needs.
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