Current Events > Warren Harding and Trump are tied for worst President

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ImTheMacheteGuy
09/03/17 11:23:54 AM
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Glass_Phantom posted...
The Admiral posted...
Harvey was not an atypical hurricane by any measure. It's damage was the result of where it hit, not because of some extreme severity. You guys trying to link individual weather events to climate change are pushing pseudo-science and need to stop it.


More greenhouse gases means a hotter earth,
Which means more water vapor in the atmosphere,
Which means bigger storms.


Plus hotter is, in dry climates, not good. In humid climates? There aren't words.
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The Admiral
09/03/17 11:25:39 AM
#54:


Glass_Phantom posted...
The Admiral posted...
Harvey was not an atypical hurricane by any measure. It's damage was the result of where it hit, not because of some extreme severity. You guys trying to link individual weather events to climate change are pushing pseudo-science and need to stop it.


More greenhouse gases means a hotter earth,
Which means more water vapor in the atmosphere,
Which means bigger storms.


Harvey never made is above category 3. It was not an especially large or powerful storm. It just happened to make landfall in the U.S., which is fairly uncommon. That has nothing to do with climate change.
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Horus_Leftfield
09/03/17 11:28:28 AM
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The Admiral posted...
Glass_Phantom posted...
The Admiral posted...
Harvey was not an atypical hurricane by any measure. It's damage was the result of where it hit, not because of some extreme severity. You guys trying to link individual weather events to climate change are pushing pseudo-science and need to stop it.


More greenhouse gases means a hotter earth,
Which means more water vapor in the atmosphere,
Which means bigger storms.


Harvey never made is above category 3. It was not an especially large or powerful storm. It just happened to make landfall in the U.S., which is fairly uncommon. That has nothing to do with climate change.

Justifying Indian genocide is a new low for you
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DezCaughtIt
09/03/17 11:30:52 AM
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Trump is definitely the worst president of my lifetime. Not even gonna claim to know overall, but I imagine he has a chance to be up there
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tennisdude818
09/03/17 11:32:26 AM
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Name one thing Harding or Trump did that was as bad as getting us into WWI.
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creativerealms
09/03/17 11:33:10 AM
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The Admiral posted...
Sayoria posted...
I thought it was unanimous that Jackson and Johnson were the worst.


Andrew Jackson? Consensus among actual historians is that he's easily a top 15 president. It's only in SJW pseudo-history where he's looked down upon.

Which actual historian are you talking about David Barton?
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uwnim
09/03/17 11:33:26 AM
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The Admiral posted...
Glass_Phantom posted...
The Admiral posted...
Harvey was not an atypical hurricane by any measure. It's damage was the result of where it hit, not because of some extreme severity. You guys trying to link individual weather events to climate change are pushing pseudo-science and need to stop it.


More greenhouse gases means a hotter earth,
Which means more water vapor in the atmosphere,
Which means bigger storms.


Harvey never made is above category 3. It was not an especially large or powerful storm. It just happened to make landfall in the U.S., which is fairly uncommon. That has nothing to do with climate change.

Admiral is right here. Unseasonal hurricanes/tropical storms could be used for evidence of climate change, but this wasn't some special storm. It was so damaging because it was moving at a crawl. Faster storms tend to cause less damage cause they move out of the area faster and break up sooner.
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DirkDiggles
09/03/17 11:46:16 AM
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Buchanan was bad because he refused to challenge the spread of slavery or the growing bloc of states that became the Confederacy.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
09/03/17 11:46:24 AM
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ImAMarvel posted...
So have people forgotten about James Buchanan?


Is he the one that fucked a bird?
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Bloodychess
09/03/17 11:53:51 AM
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Good lord this thread

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Malcolm_Matar
09/03/17 11:55:48 AM
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LOL redhats
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Dragon239
09/03/17 12:04:36 PM
#66:


The Admiral posted...
Harvey never made is above category 3

Harvey was a Cat4 at landfall.
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RaptorLC
09/03/17 12:08:04 PM
#67:


The Admiral posted...
Harvey never made is above category 3. It was not an especially large or powerful storm. It just happened to make landfall in the U.S., which is fairly uncommon. That has nothing to do with climate change.


Dude, fucking what? It made landfall as a category 4.
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The Admiral
09/03/17 12:12:35 PM
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Dragon239 posted...
The Admiral posted...
Harvey never made is above category 3

Harvey was a Cat4 at landfall.


My bad, didn't realize it made it to a category 4. Doesn't really change anything else I said. A category 4 storm is not some super rare or unusual occurrence.
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Zero_Destroyer
09/03/17 12:30:13 PM
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woodrow wilson was worse than either of these two

as was Reagan

as was Bush Jr.

as was the foreign policy-end of LBJ's administration

etc.

Even better presidents overall had enormous fuckups. FDR's internment camps are worse than anything Harding or Trump have done and I can be pretty certain Trump will never fuck up that bad.

Trump falls into the "incompetent" spectrum of presidents. He can't keep his cabinet held together, people around him drop like flies, and in contrary to his "great negotiator" promise, he's demonstrably shitty at getting anything done because he can't even go five days without his own party shitting on him.
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The Admiral
09/03/17 12:37:02 PM
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Ex-Kefiroth posted...

That averages out to roughly 1 every 8 years. So you're right in saying they're not super rare, but they are still quite uncommon.


What's uncommon is making landfall in the U.S., which I said before. That part has nothing to do with climate change. The category 4 storms themselves are not that uncommon. They just typically fizzle out in the ocean and don't make major news stories.
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Horus_Leftfield
09/03/17 12:39:46 PM
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The Admiral posted...
Ex-Kefiroth posted...

That averages out to roughly 1 every 8 years. So you're right in saying they're not super rare, but they are still quite uncommon.


What's uncommon is making landfall in the U.S., which I said before. That part has nothing to do with climate change. The category 4 storms themselves are not that uncommon. They just typically fizzle out in the ocean and don't make major news stories.

Climate change is to blame.
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Zero_Destroyer
09/03/17 12:41:54 PM
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I'm not entirely sure if climate change has much to do with this particular event. Dunno why the topic devolved into this but if you're going to make one claim one way or the other you should probably link some statements from climatologists, the NOAA, etc, and not msm/alt media sites since they often misreport climate-related shit.
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Hop103
09/03/17 12:52:12 PM
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Hoover was worse and made America literally a third world country for a time.
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XplodnPnguins92
09/03/17 1:03:49 PM
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obama doubled our national debt. fuck that guy.
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NinjaBreakfast
09/03/17 1:09:27 PM
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"ha, suuuuure everybody on CE has a masters in history and a 140+ IQ!"

"also, I am an incredibly successful businessman who spends entire days on CE shitposting"
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Howl
09/03/17 1:12:29 PM
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A master's degree in history is one of the most wasteful and useless degrees to pursue. You can literally learn everything you would pursuing that degree completely for free.
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Anteaterking
09/03/17 1:18:00 PM
#78:


Howl posted...
A master's degree in history is one of the most wasteful and useless degrees to pursue. You can literally learn everything you would pursuing that degree completely for free.


Do you think that history is just knowing dates and facts?
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treewojima
09/03/17 1:19:05 PM
#79:


Howl posted...
A master's degree in history is one of the most wasteful and useless degrees to pursue. You can literally learn everything you would pursuing that degree completely for free.


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Bishop9800
09/03/17 1:45:39 PM
#80:


Howl posted...
A master's degree in history is one of the most wasteful and useless degrees to pursue. You can literally learn everything you would pursuing that degree completely for free.



smdh
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SavenForever
09/03/17 1:47:56 PM
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I thought the general consensus was that Buchanan was the worst for...y'know, letting the whole country become divided - leading up to the events of the American Civil War.
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Broseph_Stalin
09/03/17 2:05:16 PM
#82:


Doe posted...
Jackson is with people like Roosevelt where they helped the economy


He literally created a financial crisis that led to a seven-year long recession that was so bad children born during it ended up shorter than the previous generation due to malnutrition.

But he was a populist so some idolize him. He was for the common man, like the Venezuelan government.
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ThePieReborn
09/03/17 2:07:28 PM
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I am honestly on board for throwing Andrew Johnson into the bottom notch.
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scar the 1
09/03/17 2:19:33 PM
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I'm unaware of any study that specifically links Harvey to climate change. Even so, that field of attribution science is very young and not very certain at this point. It is quite well known that higher temperatures can lead to more severe storms - both in water content and storm lifetime. Harvey on its own isn't evidence of that, it's well within the standard deviation of historical storms AFAIK. So quit it with these sensationalist claims and stick to the science please.

Back on topic, it'd be interesting to hear a little bit about why you think X president was bad, if you can be bothered. I know about the Trail of Tears a little, but I barely know of many of the other presidents mentioned ITT more than by name.
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wah_wah_wah
09/03/17 2:22:07 PM
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JFK is my pick for worst president. He was physically and mentally unprepared for the job and risked World War 3 to keep missiles in Turkey that were going to get removed anyway.
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unclekoolaid73
09/03/17 3:18:22 PM
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Oh the left is at it again with their Trump hate. Move on people hes not going anywhere for the next 8 years.
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Capn Circus
09/03/17 3:18:59 PM
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So Trump is one of the worst presidents after serving less than a year why? Because he wants to uphold current immigration laws? Because he "offends" people on Twitter? Because he's not the standard president the people didn't elect him to be?
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SageHarpuia
09/03/17 3:24:51 PM
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I'm unaware of any study that specifically links Harvey to climate change.


Al Gore made it hip to blame natural disasters that have happened for millennia on human influenced climate change.
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unclekoolaid73
09/03/17 3:59:31 PM
#89:


SageHarpuia posted...
I'm unaware of any study that specifically links Harvey to climate change.


Al Gore made it hip to blame natural disasters that have happened for millennia on human influenced climate change.


Al gore is the worst.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/08/02/report-al-gore-uses-21-times-more-energy-average-us-household
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SideshowBob311
09/03/17 4:36:35 PM
#90:


Broseph_Stalin posted...
Doe posted...
Jackson is with people like Roosevelt where they helped the economy


He literally created a financial crisis that led to a seven-year long recession that was so bad children born during it ended up shorter than the previous generation due to malnutrition.

But he was a populist so some idolize him. He was for the common man, like the Venezuelan government.


He also stopped the Civil War from starting 30ish years earlier than it did...that counts for something.
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BilalPowell
09/03/17 5:18:15 PM
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As Obama once said, at least he'll go down as a president.
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