Current Events > What's the liberal endgame on illegal immigration?

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sktgamer_13dude posted...

The Admiral posted...

Their end goal is to minimize the population and power of whites in the U.S.

Way to not even hide your racism this time.

Though, you are the same person who called for more ethnic and racial profiling, so I shouldn't be too surprised.

TIL: Calling out racist motives is racist

#RegressiveLogic
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Poverty and misery and crime
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ZMythos posted...

weapon_d00d816 posted...

That was dumb.

Not that I particularly agree with Admiral but that was completely misrepresented.

Look at what he said.

"minimize the population and power"

You can't frame one side as being "anti white" without framing your own side as "pro white"

Does that work the other way around as well?
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Basically to stick it to white people out of hatred and often self-hatred too

The Admiral posted...

TIL: Calling out racist motives is racist

I get that you're just here to get a rise out of people, but man, you know you'd never be this loose in ascribing racist motives to, well, any other policy.
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You don't need an endgame. All research points to immigration actually being a huge boon to the economy and, shockingly, people who aren't treated like monsters actually tend to integrate really quickly.

Dash_Harber posted...

You don't need an endgame. All research points to immigration actually being a huge boon to the economy and, shockingly, people who aren't treated like monsters actually tend to integrate really quickly.

OP included the condition that legal immigration would be as smooth as you want. So even under that condition you don't want borders?
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Antifar posted...

The Admiral posted...

TIL: Calling out racist motives is racist

I get that you're just here to get a rise out of people, but man, you know you'd never be this loose in ascribing racist motives to, well, any other policy.

It is what it is in this case. The folks who are hard into open borders and allowing unbridled flows of illegals/refugees are basically the opposite of the white nationalists. Whereas the white nationalists think that western civilization is a uniquely white creation that can only be maintained by whites and is threatened by diversity, the anti-nationalist crowd believes the dominance of white culture in western civilization perpetuates white privilege and inherently results in oppression of minorities. Thus, anything that weakens the power of white people (and other traditional power groups) is a positive to them.
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tennisdude818 posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

You don't need an endgame. All research points to immigration actually being a huge boon to the economy and, shockingly, people who aren't treated like monsters actually tend to integrate really quickly.

OP included the condition that legal immigration would be as smooth as you want. So even under that condition you don't want borders?

I'm not saying no borders. I'm not even arguing for or against the cause. I'm pointing out all research points to two things; firstly, both legal and illegal immigration tends to be a long term boon to the economy and despite short term difficulties, and secondly, people tend to integrate rather quickly.

The Admiral posted...

Antifar posted...

The Admiral posted...

TIL: Calling out racist motives is racist

I get that you're just here to get a rise out of people, but man, you know you'd never be this loose in ascribing racist motives to, well, any other policy.

It is what it is in this case. The folks who are hard into open borders and allowing unbridled flows of illegals/refugees are basically the opposite of the white nationalists. Whereas the white nationalists think that western civilization is a uniquely white creation that can only be maintained by whites and is threatened by diversity, the anti-nationalist crowd believes the dominance of white culture in western civilization perpetuates white privilege and inherently results in oppression of minorities. Thus, anything that weakens the power of white people (and other traditional power groups) is a positive to them.

Exactly. It's literally just an intentionally opposite extreme to white nationalism.

"We hate racists! What are we gonna do? More diversity! Why? Because...that's the opposite of what they would like! But what would it actually do? I'unno."
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Glass_Phantom posted...

I wouldn't mind seeing the United States, Canada, and Mexico join together in something akin to the European Union, with open borders and free flow of people from one country to another. If a border's to be enforced, the border with Guatemala would be easier to police (shorter), and federal legalization of marijuana would go a long ways toward quelling the cartels. It's politically unworkable until the drug war in Mexico is quelled though.

This seems like a decent idea
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We should abolish borders and let the free market decide where people will live and work.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

"illegal immigrants casting votes" is the salient criticism in this topic and none of you goobs are even capable of explaining how that's even possible.

In Minnesota, you just need mail to a street address to register to vote. If an illegal immigrant doesn't want to give out an apartment address, they can just get a PO box at a UPS Store.
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I worked at the voting headquarters for one of the 10 largest cities in the US. Just because they don't ask for an ID at the door doesn't mean they don't verify the vote's validity in other ways.

uwnim posted...

We should abolish borders and let the free market decide where people will live and work.

"We should let big corporations have an endless supply of poor people".

Yeah no, let's not. I'm all for free trade but a corporatocracy is not a free market.
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weapon_d00d816 posted...

uwnim posted...

We should abolish borders and let the free market decide where people will live and work.

"We should let big corporations have an endless supply of poor people".

Yeah no, let's not. I'm all for free trade but a corporatocracy is not a free market.

Tbh, they almost already do. Either just move to where the poor live or have them smuggled in.
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The Admiral posted...

Antifar posted...

The Admiral posted...

TIL: Calling out racist motives is racist

I get that you're just here to get a rise out of people, but man, you know you'd never be this loose in ascribing racist motives to, well, any other policy.

It is what it is in this case. The folks who are hard into open borders and allowing unbridled flows of illegals/refugees are basically the opposite of the white nationalists. Whereas the white nationalists think that western civilization is a uniquely white creation that can only be maintained by whites and is threatened by diversity, the anti-nationalist crowd believes the dominance of white culture in western civilization perpetuates white privilege and inherently results in oppression of minorities. Thus, anything that weakens the power of white people (and other traditional power groups) is a positive to them.

I'm white and I have no problem with whites being in control. I just also have no problem with non-whites being in control

Dash_Harber posted...

You don't need an endgame. All research points to immigration actually being a huge boon to the economy and, shockingly, people who aren't treated like monsters actually tend to integrate really quickly.

Then do it legally.
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MadLaughter posted...

I worked at the voting headquarters for one of the 10 largest cities in the US. Just because they don't ask for an ID at the door doesn't mean they don't verify the vote's validity in other ways.

How will you verify the validity of an illegal immigrant's vote when the address they give you is a UPS Store PO box they set up the week before?
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

The Admiral posted...

Antifar posted...

The Admiral posted...

TIL: Calling out racist motives is racist

I get that you're just here to get a rise out of people, but man, you know you'd never be this loose in ascribing racist motives to, well, any other policy.

It is what it is in this case. The folks who are hard into open borders and allowing unbridled flows of illegals/refugees are basically the opposite of the white nationalists. Whereas the white nationalists think that western civilization is a uniquely white creation that can only be maintained by whites and is threatened by diversity, the anti-nationalist crowd believes the dominance of white culture in western civilization perpetuates white privilege and inherently results in oppression of minorities. Thus, anything that weakens the power of white people (and other traditional power groups) is a positive to them.

I'm white and I have no problem with whites being in control. I just also have no problem with non-whites being in control

But do you have a problem with the deliberate attempt to put non-whites in control for race reasons?
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More illegals/ poor immigrants, minorities means 2 things.

1 is more votes for the Democrats.
2 is to force down wages so the companies get richer.
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darkjedilink posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

"illegal immigrants casting votes" is the salient criticism in this topic and none of you goobs are even capable of explaining how that's even possible.

In Minnesota, you just need mail to a street address to register to vote. If an illegal immigrant doesn't want to give out an apartment address, they can just get a PO box at a UPS Store.

That's a fact about how registration works in Minnesota. It's not a fact that illegal immigrants are swaying elections.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

darkjedilink posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

"illegal immigrants casting votes" is the salient criticism in this topic and none of you goobs are even capable of explaining how that's even possible.

In Minnesota, you just need mail to a street address to register to vote. If an illegal immigrant doesn't want to give out an apartment address, they can just get a PO box at a UPS Store.

That's a fact about how registration works in Minnesota. It's not a fact that illegal immigrants are swaying elections.

True but it does mean that it can be used to cash in on illegal votes and nobody would know.

During the election, didn't a video come out that showed democrats talking about how they bus illegals into different states to sway the votes?
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

darkjedilink posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

"illegal immigrants casting votes" is the salient criticism in this topic and none of you goobs are even capable of explaining how that's even possible.

In Minnesota, you just need mail to a street address to register to vote. If an illegal immigrant doesn't want to give out an apartment address, they can just get a PO box at a UPS Store.

That's a fact about how registration works in Minnesota. It's not a fact that illegal immigrants are swaying elections.

True but it does mean that it can be used to cash in on illegal votes and nobody would know.

During the election, didn't a video come out that showed democrats talking about how they bus illegals into different states to sway the votes?

Why do you goons latch onto Project Veritas so hard?
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In US, take whole country in

In EU, change the culture to immigrants one (you know the one) so immigrants don't feel bad
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Because it's video evidence of people exposing the shady crap they do behind the scenes.

Unless it was debunked it's a legit video.
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Because it's video evidence of people exposing the shady cheap they do behind the scenes.

Unless it was debunked it's a legit video.

*yawn
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A_Good_Boy posted...

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Because it's video evidence of people exposing the shady cheap they do behind the scenes.

Unless it was debunked it's a legit video.

*yawn

*wraps you in reality denying blanket*

Sweet dreams.
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Because it's video evidence of people exposing the shady cheap they do behind the scenes.

Unless it was debunked it's a legit video.

*yawn

*wraps you in reality denying blanket*

Sweet dreams.

It's a blanket composed of Project Veritas still frames.
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The Admiral posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

The Admiral posted...

Their end goal is to minimize the population and power of whites in the U.S.

Way to not even hide your racism this time.

Though, you are the same person who called for more ethnic and racial profiling, so I shouldn't be too surprised.

TIL: Calling out racist motives is racist

#RegressiveLogic

Except that's not what liberals want to do at all.

That tin foil hat fits you well though rofl
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A_Good_Boy posted...

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Because it's video evidence of people exposing the shady cheap they do behind the scenes.

Unless it was debunked it's a legit video.

*yawn

*wraps you in reality denying blanket*

Sweet dreams.

It's a blanket composed of Project Veritas still frames.

Yes
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Open borders because your xenophobic if you think otherwise.
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1)reduce white influence/power/etc
2)more votes
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Illegal immigration was at its lowest levels in decades in the last years of the Obama administration. Its sudden cropping up as the defining issue of the campaign was identity politics bullshit to mobilize half wits around dog whistled white nationalism. My stance on illegal immigration is enforce the laws with the resources we already had allocated, as that seemed to be working. Illegal immigration is not a good thing, but if it's bad, it's among the least harmful and costly ills plaguing our country.
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Votes. Same thing with the catholic church. At least locally here in SoCal. Everyone wants to pull out their violins and cry their bleeding hearts dry over it. But it's all about votes and money. Period. If you can wave a wand and make all the illegals legal voting residents then you in theory have life long generational democrat voters. Same with the church. If you're the ones making a show saying prayers for them and helping them with paperwork, feeding them and giving sermon after sermon week after week about god's children blah blah bs bs. They'll give money.

Anyone who says it's genuinely about the greater good and feelings is full of shit. It's votes(power) and money..
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it all comes out itt.

admiral is a blatant white nationalist afraid of minorities taking away white peoples' power


how fuckin pathetic

AlternativeFAQS posted...

it all comes out itt.

admiral is a blatant white nationalist afraid of minorities taking away white peoples' power


how fuckin pathetic

If that's what you get from his posts then I feel bad for you.
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ColdOne666 posted...

More illegals/ poor immigrants, minorities means 2 things.

1 is more votes for the Democrats.
2 is to force down wages so the companies get richer.

But that's okay since we can just hike up the minimum wage to a million dollars per hour and kill the few jobs people are able to get, making people dependent on left wing government to survive.

darkjedilink posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

You don't need an endgame. All research points to immigration actually being a huge boon to the economy and, shockingly, people who aren't treated like monsters actually tend to integrate really quickly.

Then do it legally.

Because they do it illegally just for shits and giggles? I mean, if it were that easy, why would anyone try to do it illegally?

Dash_Harber posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

You don't need an endgame. All research points to immigration actually being a huge boon to the economy and, shockingly, people who aren't treated like monsters actually tend to integrate really quickly.

Then do it legally.

Because they do it illegally just for shits and giggles? I mean, if it were that easy, why would anyone try to do it illegally?

It's literally easier to become a legal citizen in America than Canada or Mexico.
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darkjedilink posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

You don't need an endgame. All research points to immigration actually being a huge boon to the economy and, shockingly, people who aren't treated like monsters actually tend to integrate really quickly.

Then do it legally.

Because they do it illegally just for shits and giggles? I mean, if it were that easy, why would anyone try to do it illegally?

It's literally easier to become a legal citizen in America than Canada or Mexico.

And what the fuck does that have to do with what we are talking about? Way to move the fucking goal posts.

The Admiral posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

The Admiral posted...

Their end goal is to minimize the population and power of whites in the U.S.

Way to not even hide your racism this time.

Though, you are the same person who called for more ethnic and racial profiling, so I shouldn't be too surprised.

TIL: Calling out racist motives is racist

#RegressiveLogic

I heard seeing racism everywhere is what liberals do. Admiral is liberal confirmed.
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Dash_Harber posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

You don't need an endgame. All research points to immigration actually being a huge boon to the economy and, shockingly, people who aren't treated like monsters actually tend to integrate really quickly.

OP included the condition that legal immigration would be as smooth as you want. So even under that condition you don't want borders?

I'm not saying no borders. I'm not even arguing for or against the cause. I'm pointing out all research points to two things; firstly, both legal and illegal immigration tends to be a long term boon to the economy and despite short term difficulties, and secondly, people tend to integrate rather quickly.

This is a dodge. You are just arguing for more immigration, but immigration laws exist under the assumption that eventually some amount of immigration is too much too fast. Unless you think it would be great for the country if we imported all of Somalia.
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How the hell can we have political debates if all of you right wingers legitimately believe that democrats have secret plans to destroy the power of whites and illegitimately gain votes?

There's nothing that could be done to disprove this conspiracy theory. Y'all actually don't want more immigrants because of votes and often because of racism, so you assume we oppose things like ending DACA and building a wall for the same reasons.

You don't even attempt to give us any benefit of the doubt or think of any good faith arguments we could be making, you jump straight to a strawman. You have to eliminate the possibility that we're actually empathetic people, cosmopolitans, etc so you don't feel bad about your positions. Instead, it must be about virtue signaling, anti-white racism, and politically enslaving and exploiting ethnic groups. It must be pretty hard going through life thinking people that think differently from you are that evil.
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legendary_zell posted...

Y'all actually don't want more immigrants because of votes and often because of racism

Why do you think it's okay to casually assume people against illegal immigration do it because of racism, but then you acted outraged and cry conspiracy when people say the same about folks who are in favor of rampant illegal immigration?
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The Admiral posted...

legendary_zell posted...

Y'all actually don't want more immigrants because of votes and often because of racism

Why do you think it's okay to casually assume people against illegal immigration do it because of racism, but then you acted outraged and cry conspiracy when people say the same about folks who are in favor of rampant illegal immigration?

Is it a casual assumption when people like you in this topic are lamenting the end of the power of white people?

Also, illegals don't vote or pay taxes, so maybe it is more accurate to say people want more legal immigrants and not "rampant illegal immigration".
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My opinion:

-Naturalize existing illegal immigrants who have been here 5-10 years with clean records. I feel that productive members of society shouldn't be pushed out.

-Strengthen border security heavily during this period and be aggressive towards future illegal immigration - immediate deportations, etc.

-Fix drug problem by legalizing drugs (to put a stopper on cartel revenue) and work closely with Mexican government to stamp out cartels.

The idea is basically to;

-Let people who are here stay here.
-Prevent this scenario from happening in the future with strong border security.
-Fix Mexico so people don't have a reason to leave Mexico and so there's no moral quandaries with deportation to begin with.

Additionally, we should steeply punish companies and employers that employ and underpay illegal immigrant workers. I don't see how it's justifiable on any level;

-If you're conservative, you probably want those jobs in the hands of American workers.
-If you're liberal, you probably think that it's extremely immoral for workers to be taken advantage of/effectively abused/underpaid by their employers.
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The Admiral posted.

Their end goal is to minimize the population and power of whites in the U.S.

this is what people actually believe
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