Current Events > I missed when Final Fantasy was turnbased/ATB >_>

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If I wanted to play an real time action Final Fantasy, I'll play Kingdom Hearts or something >_> I miss turnbased RPGs
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You're not allowed to say that. If you do you're just a hater who dislikes modern FF games for not catering to your nostalgia.


At least that's what the FF15 board has taught me.

Me too. None of the arpgs square has put out recently were at all fun to me. I miss having total control over my parties and the strategic elements it contained.
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I agree TC, but you're going to catch insults from the ARPG crowd for that opinion.
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You miss FF XIII? Eeeeeeeeeeewwwwwww
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Same. Although I liked FFXV's combat quite a bit, depth was it's problem. As far as combat goes, I mean. The game has a lot of other problems outside combat.
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You missed them? What were you doing all that time?
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Play Atlus games if you miss turn based combat. Shin Megami Tensei, Persona, Etrian Odyssey, some of their single titles like Radiant Historia.

Etrian Odyssey especially has some of the best variety of turn based combat I have experienced in video games.
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NibeIungsnarf posted...

You're not allowed to say that. If you do you're just a hater who dislikes modern FF games for not catering to your nostalgia.


At least that's what the FF15 board has taught me.

I liked 15 but damn its fanboys are ridiculous
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ATB did deserve to go away, it's hard to play 9 because of it for me. FFX had it right imho
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Balrog0 posted...

ATB did deserve to go away, it's hard to play 9 because of it for me. FFX had it right imho

9 is the best game in the series
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Balrog0 posted...

ATB did deserve to go away, it's hard to play 9 because of it for me. FFX had it right imho

Everyone agrees that FF9 had one of the worst battle systems in the series. That's unrelated to it being ATB.

I like XII, but I agree. I replay IV, V, and VI quite a bit (at least one a year). Even I and II for funsies every now and then
XV was ok, but it really didn't click as well with me. I'm kind of turned off of action RPGs for the moment though, Witcher 3 and DS 3 were two different games that had everything I wanted recently
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NibeIungsnarf posted...

You're not allowed to say that. If you do you're just a hater who dislikes modern FF games for not catering to your nostalgia.


At least that's what the FF15 board has taught me.

-Game boards
-Intelligence

Pick one
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The problem with FFXV is that the combat system is, most of the time, hold circle.
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Same.

I can appreciate that it's not for everyone and that devs are trying to evolve their games, but I do probably prefer it for the most part. I certainly don't want all RPGs to be turn-based, but it seems like there are hardly any (big budget / AAA ones on home console / PC) nowadays.

Turn-based combat has its advantages, like being able to function the same in all environments (if it's purely turn-based and/or takes place in a separate screen), being able to utilize more detailed animations without disrupting the combat, it being easier to accommodate story / dialogue within battle scenes, etc. I like how it's more "metaphorical" (see FFVII's world-destroying attack in the final battle).

I don't see the point. At least to me(not if you like it I am not attacking you). To me you might a well have a real action RPG. This thing in the middle just irks me to death. That fact that so many people are asking for it should send a message to people to make one.
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Oh, a big advantage I forgot to mention: the ability to more easily micro-manage (and therefore control a party).

Feline_Heart posted...

You miss FF XIII? Eeeeeeeeeeewwwwwww

IMO the battle system is the games strong point. Though I wish we controled the whole party.
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There's still plenty of turn based RPGs being made.

Raikuro posted...

There's still plenty of turn based RPGs being made.

Even by square.
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Raikuro posted...

There's still plenty of turn based RPGs being made.

AAA games?
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cjsdowg posted...

Raikuro posted...

There's still plenty of turn based RPGs being made.

AAA games?

We just got Persona 5

They're about 50% of my PS1 collection. Played FFX a bit on a friend's ps2 and didn't care for it. Never played a RPG since, as they are now action games. As much as I like Castlevania:SotN it irks me when people refer to its "RPG elements". SotN has as About as much to do with RPGs as Paperboy 1&2 does to Shooters.

Edit: To clarify I'm saying RPG is such a broad term for a genre of games that there are going to be different core elements that different people assign to what is an RPG. For me with FF7 being my first and all the PS era RPG titles ATB is pretty much what makes an RPG to me.
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I think the series peaked from 6 to 10. ATB and more interesting stories.

I did really enjoy 15 as unpopular as that opinion is, it's the most I've liked a main FF since 10 and I felt the combat worked in a way that made sense as opposed to 12's MMO-style and 13's I don't even know.

They do need to stop with the "one foot in the ATB" style though. Pick action OR ATB.

ATB absolutely can still work, the trick with modern titles though is the pacing. I loved Lost Odyssey for instance but couldn't finish it - it just went too long and lacked variety. FF7 in comparison was just right for length and had a bunch of little deviations to mix things up (motorcycle, snowboarding, Golden Saucer etc...).
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cjsdowg posted...

Raikuro posted...

There's still plenty of turn based RPGs being made.

AAA games?

Does Dragon Quest XI count as AAA?
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

We just got Persona 5

AAA games are determined by budget and manpower rather than quality. P5 is the second highest reviewed game this year, (only beat by Breath of the Wild) But Atlus is a company with only around 200 employees. Whereas Square Enix has over 3,000. Which is kinda a shame considering that. But turn-based JRPGs are definitely out of AAA production this generation other than Dragon Quest, (which I feel the combat is the series' weak point).
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cjsdowg posted...

Raikuro posted...

There's still plenty of turn based RPGs being made.

AAA games?

"Waah why are modern gamers so shallow and can't appreciate turn based games"

"There are still a lot being made"

"But they're not pretty enough!"

Dragon quest XI comes to america in 2018. Its turn based and looks far better than recent FF games. Wait for dat.
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You can always go back to them. It's not like they're going anywhere. Or you can try a few modern tb games like Persona.

I never understood why tb fans complain so much as if the genre is dying, when there's literally dozens you can go back to, and plenty more being released/rereleased on a regular basis.
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Megaman50100 posted...

Darklit_Minuet posted...

We just got Persona 5

AAA games are determined by budget and manpower rather than quality. P5 is the second highest reviewed game this year, (only beat by Breath of the Wild) But Atlus is a company with only around 200 employees. Whereas Square Enix has over 3,000. Which is kinda a shame considering that. But turn-based JRPGs are definitely out of AAA production this generation other than Dragon Quest, (which I feel the combat is the series' weak point).

The combat is generally the weak point of FF games. Most people only care about story which is why they praise something like FF 6 with its blatantly broken esper system.
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NeonOctopus posted...

If I wanted to play an real time action Final Fantasy, I'll play Kingdom Hearts or something >_> I miss turnbased RPGs

Me too big time. I stopped playing most RPG games when TBC stopped. The action games always turned me off. I liked playing those games for the story and strategy of picking your attacks.
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Raikuro posted...

"Waah why are modern gamers so shallow and can't appreciate turn based games"

"There are still a lot being made"

"But they're not pretty enough!"

I said none of that
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Feline_Heart posted...

9 is the best game in the series

I love it

NibeIungsnarf posted...

Everyone agrees that FF9 had one of the worst battle systems in the series. That's unrelated to it being ATB.

I didnt mind the trance system or how skill learning worked, though

just speeding up the ATB works, but honestly that becomes FFX if taken to the extreme
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SharpX68000 posted...

Most people only care about story which is why they praise something like FF 6 with its blatantly broken esper system.

Not really, just because a system is broken doesn't mean the game sucks. I actually find that can be what makes a game great. FF7's Materia for example is nothing but overpowered, and it's so fun to combine them.
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Balrog0 posted...

I didnt mind the trance system or how skill learning worked, though

just speeding up the ATB works, but honestly that becomes FFX if taken to the extreme

To be honest, I prefer pure(r) turn-based games like the Shin Megami Tensei series and FF1-3/X. As far as I'm concerned, either go fully turn-based or fully action-based. I'm not massively into these hybrid systems. Aside from timed button presses and shit like Super Mario RPG, FFVIII and Shadow Hearts. I don't mind that if it's done well.

Go play FFRK
It's like some sort of super FF6 battle system
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Terra-enforcer posted...

I never understood why tb fans complain so much as if the genre is dying, when there's literally dozens you can go back to, and plenty more being released/rereleased on a regular basis.

I think it is because some people, for whatever reason, refuse to play games on handheld consoles, and 90% of JRPGs worth playing release on handheld now because they don't want to spend the budget developing for home console. They know their fan base cares more about the mechanics than the presentation, so why try to compete on the console market where your game will be written off if it doesn't have great presentation.
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Megaman50100 posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

I never understood why tb fans complain so much as if the genre is dying, when there's literally dozens you can go back to, and plenty more being released/rereleased on a regular basis.

I think it is because some people, for whatever reason, refuse to play games on handheld consoles, and 90% of JRPGs worth playing release on handheld now because they don't want to spend the budget developing for home console. They know their fan base cares more about the mechanics than the presentation, so why try to compete on the console market where your game will be written off if it doesn't have great presentation.

Yeah, that's a fair point. It's why I'm happy with my Vita and 3DS, and haven't bothered getting a next gen console yet. Though I might get Switch soon since I need my Disgaea 5 fix

Megaman50100 posted...

I think it is because some people, for whatever reason, refuse to play games on handheld consoles, and 90% of JRPGs worth playing release on handheld now because they don't want to spend the budget developing for home console. They know their fan base cares more about the mechanics than the presentation, so why try to compete on the console market where your game will be written off if it doesn't have great presentation.

I don't mind playing JRPGs on handhelds too much. Quite a few are on the PSP and Vita though, while I typically go with Nintendo handhelds.

That said, I ultimately prefer big(ish) budget console JRPGs. It's not just about graphics, although good ones are certainly nice to have, but scale, story/characters/writing and the ability to push the envelope a bit more than those with tighter budgets.

It's also about IPs from companies with bigger budgets that have been sidelined (Suikoden, Skies of Arcadia), have gone in the action-oriented direction (Final Fantasy) or just don't seem to have as much effort put into them nowadays.

On going back to older turn-based games (that I haven't played preferably), as Terra mentioned, that is one of the only choices that's open, so I do just that. It would be nice to have more new, AAA turn-based JRPGs that really capture the imagination though.

I definitely agree with big IPs having dropped out. But I think since last generation, scale has been the same. Take Strange Journey on DS, or Trails in the Sky on PSP.
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Megaman50100 posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

I never understood why tb fans complain so much as if the genre is dying, when there's literally dozens you can go back to, and plenty more being released/rereleased on a regular basis.

I think it is because some people, for whatever reason, refuse to play games on handheld consoles, and 90% of JRPGs worth playing release on handheld now because they don't want to spend the budget developing for home console. They know their fan base cares more about the mechanics than the presentation, so why try to compete on the console market where your game will be written off if it doesn't have great presentation.

I'm one of those. I held out with Metroid 2 till the Gameboy player as well as the Metroid and Castlevania games on the GBA. Unless DS or 3DS get console ports I realize I'll miss out on those games. But I just can't get immersed in a handheld game like a can on a tv screen. I'd probably be done with BotW if I didn't refuse to play on the gamepad after trying it once.
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