Current Events > Destiny 2 has pay2win microtransactions

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Also rather than stop playing games entirely I'll just stop playing the ones with bad microtransactions (which I've basically already done) and hopefully wait for this era of them being so popular to pass

Still good games out there without them, I hope it just doesn't spread everywhere eventually or I'll only be able to play retro stuff
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If they are usable in crucible then that's shitty
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ClunkerSlim posted...

Destiny could demand your social security number and half the board would punch it in. The very reason these things exist is because people don't outrage over it.

I think most people would have a problem with a game asking for you SSN, because no game has done so yet nor it is something that a game should need.
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ClunkerSlim posted...

Destiny could demand your social security number and half the board would punch it in. The very reason these things exist is because people don't outrage over it.

Something like that is just downright stupid though. Common sense should dictate that you never give out your social to anybody except for when absolutely necessary.
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I dunno about people putting in their ssn, SFV got a fair bit of flack for having a rootkit in the PC version and that's way less noticeable
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just to clarify, this is not "reporting"
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Why did I think this game came out Friday?
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kirbymuncher posted...

I think microtransactions/DLC can be good

DLC? Yeah there's potential for it to be good
Microtransactions in a paid game? No. Never

Tmaster148 posted...

This isn't some thing that's only a problem with the game industry.

Tmaster148 posted...

This isn't some thing that's only a problem with the game industry.

And this justifies microtransactions in games people paid upwards of upwards of 60 dollars for how exactly?



Tmaster148 posted...

but I will also avoid games that go overboard with it. If the game is still fun even with p2w elements, the p2w elements might not actually be that game changing.

This is exactly what I'm talking about, svsn if the game is p2w you'll still take the bait of publishers, why not put your foot don amd demand actual quality instead of just shurugging your shoulders, bending over and spreading your cheeks?

kirbymuncher posted...

Their prevalence in games has been ramping up somewhat recently too

I wonder why that is? It's almost as if the sound of the overhwelming No from the community to publishers is beinf drowend out by the sound of a few whales singing.
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*Throws money back into wallet*
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ZombiePelican posted...

This is exactly what I'm talking about, svsn if the game is p2w you'll still take the bait of publishers, why not put your foot don amd demand actual quality instead of just shurugging your shoulders, bending over and spreading your cheeks?

I'm not looking for masterpieces, just something to enjoy my free time. Although I have self control and don't spend money on microtransactions so it doesn't really matter to me if they exist or not.

Also you are obsessed with someone bending over and taking it. At this point it feels more like you are having a Freudian Slip.

ZombiePelican posted...

And this justifies microtransactions in games people paid upwards of upwards of 60 dollars for how exactly?

They are a business not a charity.
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I think I'm gonna buy three copies
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Banjo2553 posted...

ClunkerSlim posted...

Destiny could demand your social security number and half the board would punch it in. The very reason these things exist is because people don't outrage over it.

Something like that is just downright stupid though. Common sense should dictate that you never give out your social to anybody except for when absolutely necessary.

This is actually a thing in S Korea.
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Asherlee10 posted...

That's my perspective. If someone wants to pay to get what you can get normally with a bit of a grind, that's their business.

You do understand that the grind was intentionally put there for the sake of goading real money out of you, no?


Tmaster148 posted...

'm not looking for masterpieces, just something to enjoy my free time

I'm not either but I can't enjoy my free time if I'm constantly being begged for money after I already paid upfront for a game
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Sputnik1337 posted...

Banjo2553 posted...

ClunkerSlim posted...

Destiny could demand your social security number and half the board would punch it in. The very reason these things exist is because people don't outrage over it.

Something like that is just downright stupid though. Common sense should dictate that you never give out your social to anybody except for when absolutely necessary.

This is actually a thing in S Korea.

This is a law related thing involving online bullying. Basically you need some kind of identifier when using online services so you can be tracked over comments you make.
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ZombiePelican posted...

I'm not either but I can't enjoy my free time if I'm constantly being begged for money after I already paid upfront for a game

Sounds like you are weak willed.
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Tmaster148 posted...

Also you are obsessed with someone bending over and taking it. At this point it feels more like you are having a Freudian Slip.

Nah, it's just an accurate metaphor for people defending microtransactions in paid games


Tmaster148 posted...

They are a business not a charity.

Where in business school does it say you have to be as contemptous and cynical towards your audience at every turn?
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Tmaster148 posted...

ZombiePelican posted...

I'm not either but I can't enjoy my free time if I'm constantly being begged for money after I already paid upfront for a game

Sounds like you are weak willed.

Says the one who gleefully bends over for the wants and needs of multibillion dollar corporations
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why are you guys arguing with zombie pelican, he is either trolling or no older than 14 lol
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ZombiePelican posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

ZombiePelican posted...

I'm not either but I can't enjoy my free time if I'm constantly being begged for money after I already paid upfront for a game

Sounds like you are weak willed.

Says the one who gleefully bends over for the wants and needs of multibillion dollar corporations

Says the person obsessed with getting it from behind. I think you might just be frustrated.
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Romulox28 posted...

why are you guys arguing with zombie pelican, he is either trolling or no older than 14 lol

At this point, I think it's more entertaining that he might be a 14 year old who really wants to take it up his ass.
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Romulox28 posted...

why are you guys arguing with zombie pelican, he is either trolling or no older than 14 lol

There is nothing about my posts that could remotely consider to be trolling.

Again, I'm sorry if it offends you I refuse to make excuses for multibillion dollar corporations crying poor and pretending they're too broke to stop fucking over consumers


Tmaster148 posted...

Says the person obsessed with getting it from behind. I think you might just be frustrated.

Nah, I pity you more than anything
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ZombiePelican posted...

Nah, I pity you more than anything

A pity from a worthless person like you means nothing.
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ZombiePelican posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

I'm still going to buy the game today.

I'm so sorry, maybe one day you'll develop standards

Says the guy who paid 60 USD for driveclub

Tmaster148 posted...

ZombiePelican posted...

Nah, I pity you more than anything

A pity from a worthless person like you means nothing.

>Calls me worthless
>Grobbles before greedy old men in suits

Self awarness not a strong point of yours?

AlternativeFAQS posted...

Says the guy who paid 60 USD for driveclub

So you literally have no point? Ok then moving on
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Romulox28 posted...

why are you guys arguing with zombie pelican, he is either trolling or no older than 14 lol

This is what he looks like lol:


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How can it be pay to win when weapons are normalized in PvP? This just sounds like shortcut packs, essentially. And not even a significant one considering how easy it is to hit level 20.
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Tmaster148 posted...

ZombiePelican posted...

Nah, I pity you more than anything

A pity from a worthless person like you means nothing.

>Calls me worthless
>Grovels before greedy old men in suits

Self awarness not a strong point of yours?

AlternativeFAQS posted...

Says the guy who paid 60 USD for driveclub

So you literally have no point? Ok then moving on
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ZombiePelican posted...

>Calls me worthless
>Grobbles before greedy old men in suits

Self awarness not a strong point of yours?

I don't grobble greedy old men in suits. You just think that, because I don't irrationally hate corporations for engaging behaviors that make them more profits. Because that's what private corporations do.

You care too much about something you can't do anything about. That makes you a sad worthless person.
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ZombiePelican posted...

Grobbles

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Shadowplay posted...

Romulox28 posted...

why are you guys arguing with zombie pelican, he is either trolling or no older than 14 lol

This is what he looks like lol:

Big deal. I've never once not been open about posting my pics here. There's a good few that have been going around CE for years


Tmaster148 posted...

I don't grobble greedy old men in suits.

Yes you do. You've been playing devil's advocate for the sake of multibillion dollar corporations who as I have already said multiple times in this topic already flat out do not deserve it.


Tmaster148 posted...

I don't irrationally hate corporations for engaging behaviors that make them more profits.

I'm sorry but they do not have right to a profit especially coming from multibillion dollar corporations crying poor pretending they could go bankrupt at any second when that vouldn't be further from the truth and nothing justifies their contemptuous and anticosumerist bullshit being pushed on us.

I don't understand how you can think so backwards about this shit. We as consumers are not and never will be obligated to ensure to these greedy executives can keep their cushy lifestyle at our expense. As consumers companies are supposed to serve US not the other way around

Tmaster148 posted...

Because that's what private corporations do.

Not every corporation tries to fuck over consumers however they can with glee


Tmaster148 posted...

You care too much about something you can't do anything about.

Yeah just like when we I was told on disc DLC or online passes would never go anywhere when I complained about them then and it was also internet outrage that initially killed Bethesda's paid mod scheme.

What now?
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ZombiePelican posted...

I'm sorry but they do not have right to a profit especially coming from multibillion dollar corporations crying poor pretending they could go bankrupt at any second when that vouldn't be further from the truth and nothing justifies their contemptuous and anticosumerist bullshit being pushed on us.

You are an idiot. Private corporation exist for profit. If you want game companies that aren't profit motivated maybe you should go find a game company ran by the government.

If you can't stand that you live in a country where profits come first for private companies maybe you should move somewhere else that doesn't. But good luck with that.
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Tmaster148 posted...

You are an idiot.

Says the guy defending multibillion dollar corporations crying poor

Tmaster148 posted...

. Private corporation exist for profit. If you want game companies that aren't profit motivated maybe you should go find a game company ran by the government.

Again you missed the point. A company existing to make a profit does not entitle them to it nor does it justify their contemptuous actions towards their audience. They are not allowed to pull whatever anticosumerist stunt they feel like pulling without question and having just the blind and ignorant thought process of " they made a profit so it's ok consumers are getting shit on" is pathetic
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ZombiePelican posted...

Again you missed the point

Irony™
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Tmaster148 posted...

If you can't stand that you live in a country where profits come first for private companies maybe you should move somewhere else that doesn't. But good luck with that.

Also let's quit pretending microtransactions are the only way to make a profit in the AAA industry or that AAA Publishers weren't making a profit before microtransactions were thing in full price games, it only makes you look like a sniveling corporate thrall.
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ZombiePelican posted...

Again you missed the point. A company existing to make a profit does not entitle them to it nor does it justify their contemptuous actions towards their audience. They are not allowed to pull whatever anticosumerist stunt they feel like pulling without question and having just the blind and ignorant thought process of " they made a profit so it's ok consumers are getting shit on" is pathetic

Private corporation don't have to do things that help the consumers and they won't as long as it doesn't hurt their profits. Microtransaction increases their profits and as far as consumer impact goes it's looks like this practice is here to stay as they are making more profits from it then the few people still butthurt over microtransactions.

Maybe one day you'll actually understand how corporations operate. But until then there is no reason for this conversation to continue as you are showing to be ignorant to how business operate.
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Will probably buy at the end of the week if not next week. Just waiting for people to confirm the game doesn't abruptly stop out of nowhere like Destiny 1 did with nothing of interest to do until the expansions drop. Plus I only played Destiny 1 for a few hours. If this game picks up where the first left off, gameplay wise, I'm sure I'll love it.

Gotta get my use out of PS+ membership somehow.
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Tmaster148 posted...

Private corporation don't have to do things that help the consumers and they won't as long as it doesn't hurt their profits.

Sorry but no, you have it backwards. Consumers must always come first otherwise you have nobody to buy your shit.


Tmaster148 posted...

Microtransaction increases their profits and as far as consumer impact goes it's looks like this practice is here to stay as they are making more profits from it then the few people still butthurt over microtransactions.

Profit is justification for nothing. And as I've already said multiple times they're are more people who dislike them as those that do like them but it's a handful of whales as publishers dehumanizingly refer to that keep them in. Why do you think publishers will hide microtransactions in review copies of certain games or sneak them into updates latet on down the line?


Tmaster148 posted...

Maybe one day you'll actually understand how corporations operate. But until then there is no reason for this conversation to continue as you are showing to be ignorant to how business operate

No I understand this all too well, it's you who fails to understand that I as a consumer am not obligated to ensure their shareholders make their money back on the contrary they are obligated to ensure their products and services are up to the standards of consumers and in the last decade or so AAA publishers have failed in that regard and have intentionally done it all on top of all that.
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ZombiePelican posted...

Consumers must always come first otherwise you have nobody to buy your shit.

Yet people are buying this game you're giving free advertising for
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Bright Engrams are drop items from tough missions/enemies and bosses. So it's not really pay2win if you can get the same drops for free easily if you put effort into it.
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They did this in destiny 1

The gear wasn't better than any of the mid tier end game gear
I imagine it'd be the same for D2,

Where you do get a slight advantage but for the cost it's not worth it.
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Asherlee10 posted...

I don't agree.

It doesn't matter if you agree or not, this is a fact. As I've previously stated citing any supposed advantages you gain from microtransactions in full priced games ia pointless as both the advantages and disadvantages were put in place to goad you into spending real money
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Asherlee10 posted...

ZombiePelican posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

I don't agree.

It doesn't matter if you agree or not, this is a fact. As I've previously stated citing any supposed advantages you gain from microtransactions in full priced games ia pointless as both the advantages and disadvantages were put in place to goad you into spending real money

I disagree that the only reason why 'grinding' exists in games is to force people to buy microtransactions.

This. Grinding has existed long before microtransactions were common place.
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Asherlee10 posted...

ZombiePelican posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

I don't agree.

It doesn't matter if you agree or not, this is a fact. As I've previously stated citing any supposed advantages you gain from microtransactions in full priced games ia pointless as both the advantages and disadvantages were put in place to goad you into spending real money

I disagree that the only reason why 'grinding' exists in games is to force people to buy microtransactions.

Now you're being disingenuous again. I never claimed grinding was invented to push microtransactions. Yes, portions of games with microtransactions are designed to be grindy on purpose. To test your wallet vs your patience, the fact you're giving ACTIVISION of all publishers the benefit of the doubt is pretty sad, you act like they don't want you to buy the microtransactions or something, when no publishers ever forced devs to put microtransactions in a game for you to NOT buy them
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ZombiePelican posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

I'm still going to buy the game today.

I'm so sorry, maybe one day you'll develop standards

I don't like Destiny so that means no one should.
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You guys should probably get used to microtransactions! HAHAHA
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