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Horus_Leftfield
09/10/17 10:52:48 AM
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Every 1 degree hotter the atmosphere gets is 7% more water vapor in the air above the ocean. That's Clausius Clapeyron. That's chemistry.

More water vapor means bigger storms.

Time for libertarians and conservatives to quit living under a rock. Y'all need to get off your coal fetish and admit the cause of all this is manmade.

First time in history two cat 4's made landfall same year and there might be a third. Would ISIS, political upheaval, terrorism be as bad a problem without drought and scarcity caused by climate change? Probably not.

De program yoself and smell the coffee.
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BootyGif
09/10/17 10:53:36 AM
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DreadedWave
09/10/17 10:55:57 AM
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Saying things like this will upset the Trumpeters.
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The_Donald
09/10/17 11:01:38 AM
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Irma was downgraded to a category 3 yesterday. So much for your rant huh?
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D-Lo_BrownTown
09/10/17 11:02:42 AM
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Antifar
09/10/17 11:02:48 AM
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The_Donald posted...
Irma was downgraded to a category 3 yesterday.

What does that do for Puerto Rico, and the places it hit as a Category 5?
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Butterfiles
09/10/17 11:03:18 AM
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The_Donald posted...
Irma was downgraded to a category 3 yesterday. So much for your rant huh?

Do you not know how storms work or does having an IQ above 70 automatically disqualify you from supporting Trump
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DreadedWave
09/10/17 11:03:48 AM
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See told you guys.
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ledbowman
09/10/17 11:04:23 AM
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Waht you expet a hurricane in a hurricane season libiot??
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The_Donald
09/10/17 11:07:16 AM
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Antifar posted...
What does that do for Puerto Rico, and the places it hit as a Category 5?

His argument relied on category 4s hitting mainland USA. Keep up.

Butterfiles posted...
Do you not know how storms work or does having an IQ above 70 automatically disqualify you from supporting Trump

Yes my father was a meteorologist who currently is helping NOAA output data. He taught me everything he knows.
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yanksfan4247
09/10/17 11:08:35 AM
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The_Donald posted...
Irma was downgraded to a category 3 yesterday. So much for your rant huh?


Tell that to the Americans in the US Virgin Islands.
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CircleOfManias
09/10/17 11:09:49 AM
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The_Donald posted...
Antifar posted...
What does that do for Puerto Rico, and the places it hit as a Category 5?

His argument relied on category 4s hitting mainland USA. Keep up.

Butterfiles posted...
Do you not know how storms work or does having an IQ above 70 automatically disqualify you from supporting Trump

Yes my father was a meteorologist who currently is helping NOAA output data. He taught me everything he knows.



So you would know basic shit like the fact that hurricanes get stronger over water and weaker over land and were just being dishonest rather than ignorant.
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Patty_Fleur
09/10/17 11:10:35 AM
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Okay so the earth is warmer? What the hell do we have to do with it. The climate fucking changes. It's been changing since the earth was formed. Its what it does.

The sun is a star. It has a life cycle. What if it's just hotter? Go up to the fucking sun and study it. It fucking makes me mad how y'all act like humans are responsible. There's no fucking way you can prove it.
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RaptorLC
09/10/17 11:12:08 AM
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The_Donald posted...
Irma was downgraded to a category 3 yesterday. So much for your rant huh?


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/10/hurricane-irma-makes-landfall-in-florida-keys-as-category-4-storm-takes-aim-at-states-west-coast.html
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The_Donald
09/10/17 11:12:20 AM
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CircleOfManias posted...
So you would know basic shit like the fact that hurricanes get stronger over water and weaker over land and were just being dishonest rather than ignorant.

I never said it doesn't. There's no indication it will become a category 4 again. Its weakening and you guys fell for another liberal doomsday story.

IRMA STRONGER THAN ANDREW
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mortimerjames
09/10/17 11:13:24 AM
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I wish someone would have smacked that one chick on Real Time last friday. "I'm doing science we should be asking questions."

Theres no questions to be asked. We know why the earth is getting warmer, runaway greenhouse gas.
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Leight_Weight
09/10/17 11:13:54 AM
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Nah. You're just overreacting like a child, tc
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LockeMonster
09/10/17 11:16:21 AM
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I remember I said something similar 15 years ago and my environmental science professor who was studying climate change in Alaska laughed at me.
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yanksfan4247
09/10/17 11:16:56 AM
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The_Donald posted...
CircleOfManias posted...
So you would know basic shit like the fact that hurricanes get stronger over water and weaker over land and were just being dishonest rather than ignorant.

I never said it doesn't. There's no indication it will become a category 4 again. Its weakening and you guys fell for another liberal doomsday story.

IRMA STRONGER THAN ANDREW


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF_eGgcQYbs


What were you saying?
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Gheb
09/10/17 11:17:34 AM
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Patty_Fleur posted...
Okay so the earth is warmer? What the hell do we have to do with it. The climate fucking changes. It's been changing since the earth was formed. Its what it does.

The sun us a star. It has a life cycle. What if it's just hotter? Go up to the fucking sun and study it. It fucking makes me mad how y'all act like humans are responsible. There's no fucking way you can prove it.

Reminder, Patty is apparently a teacher.
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Patty_Fleur
09/10/17 11:24:15 AM
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Gheb posted...
Patty_Fleur posted...
Okay so the earth is warmer? What the hell do we have to do with it. The climate fucking changes. It's been changing since the earth was formed. Its what it does.

The sun us a star. It has a life cycle. What if it's just hotter? Go up to the fucking sun and study it. It fucking makes me mad how y'all act like humans are responsible. There's no fucking way you can prove it.

Reminder, Patty is apparently a teacher.


So what? Y'all expect the weather yo be the same every year when there was a literal ice age in the past? There was no humans and technology in the past but the weather still changed.

Green energy shit is a scam.
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Swagnificent119
09/10/17 11:30:08 AM
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I find it funny that when stock market goes up, it's because of Obamas previous 8 years.

But when a destructive hurricane hits, it's because Trump got out of the Paris Agreement a few months ago.
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Rexdragon125
09/10/17 11:30:58 AM
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The problem is that in every climate record the temperature is rising magnitudes faster than it ever has in the past. It's almost like it's not natural.
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Antifar
09/10/17 11:32:21 AM
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Swagnificent119 posted...
But when a destructive hurricane hits, it's because Trump got out of the Paris Agreement a few months ago.

It is not. But stuff like this shows the shortsightedness of him having done so. Likewise with his undoing of flooding regulations on infrastructure, his appointment of Scott Pruitt...
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Patty_Fleur
09/10/17 11:34:35 AM
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Rexdragon125 posted...
The problem is that in every climate record the temperature is rising magnitudes faster than it ever has in the past. It's almost like it's not natural.


It could be though. The only way you would know for sure is if you had a separate but exactly same earth but humans don't exist. You study this one and the theoretical one to compare the temperatures.

It's literally the only way. I don't believe any of this humans are causing change shit until someone gets undeniable proof.
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scar the 1
09/10/17 11:34:56 AM
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Patty_Fleur posted...
Okay so the earth is warmer? What the hell do we have to do with it. The climate f***ing changes. It's been changing since the earth was formed. Its what it does.

Questions:
Do greenhouse gases trap heat?
When was the last time global temperatures rose this quickly?

Pls Mr professor explain
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Patty_Fleur
09/10/17 11:36:14 AM
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scar the 1 posted...
Patty_Fleur posted...
Okay so the earth is warmer? What the hell do we have to do with it. The climate f***ing changes. It's been changing since the earth was formed. Its what it does.

Questions:
Do greenhouse gases trap heat?
When was the last time global temperatures rose this quickly?

Pls Mr professor explain


There's literally billions of undocumented earth and sun history. Prove to me it hasn't.
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Omnislasher
09/10/17 11:36:36 AM
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Patty_Fleur posted...
It's literally the only way. I don't believe any of this humans are causing change shit until someone gets undeniable proof.


congrats you're a moron
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scar the 1
09/10/17 11:38:11 AM
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Patty_Fleur posted...
There's literally billions of undocumented earth and sun history. Prove to me it hasn't.

Follow-up questions:
You didn't answer my first question?
What is a scientific proof?
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Patty_Fleur
09/10/17 11:38:42 AM
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Omnislasher posted...
Patty_Fleur posted...
It's literally the only way. I don't believe any of this humans are causing change shit until someone gets undeniable proof.


congrats you're a moron


So because I'm sceptical of some human's beings agendas I'm a fucking moron huh? Like people don't have money riding on shit like this.
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Patty_Fleur
09/10/17 11:40:07 AM
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It's not like y'all offer any fucking solutions anyway.
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Rexdragon125
09/10/17 11:41:09 AM
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Patty_Fleur posted...
So because I'm sceptical of some human's beings agendas I'm a fucking moron huh? Like people don't have money riding on shit like this.

Yup. Oil companies are the ones lobbying to bury climate change lol
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lilORANG
09/10/17 11:41:40 AM
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Patty_Fleur posted...
some human's beings agendas

as in the entire scientific community?

it's not even a difficult concept. GHG increases the temp of the earth. Humans add GHG in unnatural quantities. Why wouldn't human produced GHG have an effect?
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whitelytning
09/10/17 11:42:12 AM
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The_Donald posted...
Antifar posted...
What does that do for Puerto Rico, and the places it hit as a Category 5?

His argument relied on category 4s hitting mainland USA. Keep up.


As of 11:00am:
Irma is a category 4 hurricane on the Saffir-Simpson
Hurricane Wind Scale.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCPAT1+shtml/101448.shtml
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Patty_Fleur
09/10/17 11:42:26 AM
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Rexdragon125 posted...
Patty_Fleur posted...
So because I'm sceptical of some human's beings agendas I'm a fucking moron huh? Like people don't have money riding on shit like this.

Yup. Oil companies are the ones lobbying to bury climate change lol


But history is on their side. The earth's climate changes. Duh.
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Omnislasher
09/10/17 11:46:41 AM
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Patty_Fleur posted...

the position you're taking has as much credibility as claiming that the earth is flat or only ~4,000 years old

embarrassing
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darkjedilink
09/10/17 11:47:37 AM
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So, TC, are you suggesting that Irma never would have formed if not for climate change?
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darkjedilink
09/10/17 11:48:32 AM
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lilORANG posted...
Patty_Fleur posted...
some human's beings agendas

as in the entire scientific community?

it's not even a difficult concept. GHG increases the temp of the earth. Humans add GHG in unnatural quantities. Why wouldn't human produced GHG have an effect?

They do have an effect. Something like ten percent.
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Callixtus
09/10/17 11:49:54 AM
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You can't point to any particular storm and say it was caused by climate change
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Patty_Fleur
09/10/17 11:50:00 AM
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Omnislasher posted...
Patty_Fleur posted...

the position you're taking has as much credibility as claiming that the earth is flat or only ~4,000 years old

embarrassing


Climate change is not debatable. Its happened. It always had happened. It's the cause of it that gets me.

I just don't believe humans have as much an impact as people say. Just my thoughts.
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Omnislasher
09/10/17 11:50:59 AM
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Omnislasher
09/10/17 11:52:35 AM
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Patty_Fleur posted...
I just don't believe humans have as much an impact as people say. Just my thoughts.


yeah like i said

congrats, you're a moron
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pikachupwnage
09/10/17 11:53:23 AM
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For the record that's 1C not 1F in regards to the relation between tempature and water vapor the air can hold .
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lilORANG
09/10/17 11:54:45 AM
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Patty_Fleur posted...
I just don't believe humans have as much an impact as people say. Just my thoughts.


http://www.cc.com/video-clips/63ite2/the-colbert-report-the-word---truthiness
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Swagnificent119
09/10/17 11:54:54 AM
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The_Donald
09/10/17 11:54:58 AM
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Omnislasher posted...
Patty_Fleur posted...
I just don't believe humans have as much an impact as people say. Just my thoughts.


yeah like i said

congrats, you're a moron

Hes quite right actually. If humans have expedited climate show the data that tells to what effect we've had a change.

What should it be compared to what it currently is due to human activity.

Guarantee this will get a non answer with some ad hominem sprinkled in.
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Patty_Fleur
09/10/17 11:56:12 AM
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Omnislasher posted...
Patty_Fleur posted...
I just don't believe humans have as much an impact as people say. Just my thoughts.


yeah like i said

congrats, you're a moron


Prove to me that the sun isn't burning hotter. You fucking can't. I have every right to be skeptical.
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CapnMuffin
09/10/17 11:57:00 AM
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Patty_Fleur posted...
Omnislasher posted...
Patty_Fleur posted...

the position you're taking has as much credibility as claiming that the earth is flat or only ~4,000 years old

embarrassing


Climate change is not debatable. Its happened. It always had happened. It's the cause of it that gets me.

I just don't believe humans have as much an impact as people say. Just my thoughts.

Arguing against the validity of climate change models is a defendable stance. There's just not enough data to be conclusive. However I look at it as "whether we're wrong or right wouldnt we want to err on the side of safety and responsibility?" Worst case scenario is we didn't have as much impact as we thought but at least we didn't make it worse and became more efficient.
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