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Santorin
09/12/17 11:38:27 AM
#52:


Asherlee10 posted...
fair and just punishment

Asherlee10 posted...
emotional appeals



Also as you stated "fair" try telling that to people who have had their loved ones who have been raped and murdered. Fair.
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LinksLiege
09/12/17 11:39:03 AM
#53:


Nah, I'm not an edgy teenager anymore.
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Santorin
09/12/17 11:40:46 AM
#54:


Asherlee10 posted...
It's a good thing you have no power in this world.


I know more people involved in correction than you could imagine. You have no clue what they deal with.
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Tmaster148
09/12/17 11:41:48 AM
#55:


Santorin posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
It's a good thing you have no power in this world.


I know more people involved in correction than you could imagine. You have no clue what they deal with.


This literally reads like "My uncle works at Nintendo".
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Crazyman93
09/12/17 11:41:51 AM
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Me. It's a violation of the 8th Amendment as it's Cruel and Unusual.
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DreadedWave
09/12/17 11:42:12 AM
#57:


Santorin posted...
I know more people involved in correction than you could imagine.

And?
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Offworlder1
09/12/17 11:42:22 AM
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The smell of burning human flesh is not at all pleasant, I am not in support of this.
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Santorin
09/12/17 11:43:16 AM
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I'm just going to agree to disagree.

You can live in your fucked up fantasy land I just pray nothing bad ever happens to anyone you know and love.
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DemonBuffet
09/12/17 11:45:39 AM
#63:


Santorin posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
Santorin posted...
I've had plenty of family that works in corrections and can tell you.

Some people are not fit for society and should be executed.

So happy we still have capital punishment.


WTF...

That is very extreme.


It's true you just lack exposure\perspective.

Your bleeding heart mentality is fun and makes you feel fuzzy and warm inside but is not helping anyone but yourself.


This.
I myself work in corrections.
Its true. There is seriously no point in housing some people who are lost causes. Were just wasting food and sheltet on them.
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Questionmarktarius
09/12/17 11:46:14 AM
#64:


DemonBuffet posted...
There is seriously no point in housing some people who are lost causes.

Yet, it costs more to execute someone, for some reason.
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Santorin
09/12/17 11:46:23 AM
#65:


Yes and capital punishment totally = unfair and unjust.

You're living in some fucked up fantasy land.
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DemonBuffet
09/12/17 11:47:13 AM
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When your job is to babysit murderers and fucked up individuals on a daily basis, you'll soon learn that some of these criminals are beyond any rehabilitation efforts.
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Santorin
09/12/17 11:48:07 AM
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Asherlee10 posted...
Santorin posted...
Yes and capital punishment totally = unfair and unjust.

You're living in some fucked up fantasy land.


I don't think you understand what those words mean.


I don't think you know what they mean lol
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Santorin
09/12/17 11:48:57 AM
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Some people deserve to die. Get off your high horse you talk like some religious freak. More ironically you probably are an atheist which makes it even more funny.
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Santorin
09/12/17 11:49:34 AM
#73:


Asherlee10 posted...
"I'm not stupid, you're stupid!"

Come on...


It's funny how half your responses have been exactly that.
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Hinakuluiau
09/12/17 11:50:18 AM
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I would be opposed to it.

1. Punishments should first seek to prevent people from committing crimes (deterrence) and then to prevent them from doing it again. Life in prison will accomplish both of these things. Killing someone does as well, but it has the potential to end the life of an innocent.

2. It's cruel and unusual. Just because they do horrible things doesn't mean we should do horrible things to them too. No the two acts aren't equal (as in, raping children is worse than the brazen bull), but it's still a bad act and shouldn't be celebrated.

3. I don't believe anyone should be killed outside of self-defense or for the defense of others. This goes double for when it's the state doing it and not the person.
Going along with that, your property has less value than a life, even that of a criminal.
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DemonBuffet
09/12/17 11:50:25 AM
#75:


Asherlee10 posted...
DemonBuffet posted...
When your job is to babysit murderers and fucked up individuals on a daily basis, you'll soon learn that some of these criminals are beyond any rehabilitation efforts.


I never said they could be rehabilitated.


Capital punishment shouldn't be considered "omg so cruel!" if these individuals will never have a spot in society other than wasting resources on them, on top of them being a huge safety risk to staff and other inmates.
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DreadedWave
09/12/17 11:50:29 AM
#76:


The only thing funny in this topic Santorin is your hilariously edgy attitude. You sound like you're pretending to be a character in Sin City.
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Deadpool_18
09/12/17 11:52:33 AM
#79:


Vaati_Reborn posted...
I had no idea what this was so I looked it up. It's fucked up but this part is kinda cool

The bull was in the form and size of an actual bull and had an acoustic apparatus that converted screams into the sound of a bull.


people sure do love their creative torture methods


Fuck me...
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PerseusRad
09/12/17 11:54:18 AM
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humans are humans

they aren't subhuman just cause of what they did, cruel and unusual punishment is disgusting, I don't care what they did.
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Questionmarktarius
09/12/17 11:57:21 AM
#82:


Asherlee10 posted...
Have you not ever wondered why we don't have barbaric punishments like the one in TC's post anymore?

Because strapping someone to a gurney and injecting a large amount of fentanyl is more efficient.
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Santorin
09/12/17 11:59:15 AM
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You're living in absolutes because you fail to understand there is a time and place for capital punishment.

You literally have an all or nothing mentality.

Some people deserve to be executed and die. Key word some, a very small some but do exist.

Most live pathetic lives either in and our of corrections their whole existence costing the tax payers. Getting three squares and day a hot shower bed, medical care, personal therapists, TV, books, education, etc.

Prisoners have more rights than you and our society treats them pretty well considering.

But some animals deserve to be execute for their crimes against humanity.

So don't act like just because some prisoners get capital punishment that we don't work hard to try to give prisoners rights and rehabilitation because you're just fucking wrong.

These prisoners get more rights and treatment than you obviously know.
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Santorin
09/12/17 12:03:00 PM
#84:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
Have you not ever wondered why we don't have barbaric punishments like the one in TC's post anymore?

Because strapping someone to a gurney and injecting a large amount of fentanyl is more efficient.


I'm all for simple and effective.

We could even make it look peaceful. Take a pill, fall asleep and never wake up. I'm down with this idea if it eliminates more of these unfit for society murdering, child trafficking evil pieces of shit.
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Tmaster148
09/12/17 12:03:54 PM
#85:


Santorin posted...
Prisoners have more rights than you and our society treats them pretty well considering.


People convicted of felonies have a pretty hard time getting jobs after being released. Plus while locked up they have reduced rights and some like sex offenders don't even get all their rights back even after being released.

There is no way any prisoner has more rights than anyone not in prison nor does society treat them well.
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AlisLandale
09/12/17 12:05:32 PM
#86:


Asherlee10 posted...
Both are barbaric practices and eye-for-an-eye didn't make our society better. Systematically slow-torturing people as punishment is also abysmal.


So one is not more barbaric than the other?
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--kresnik--
09/12/17 12:06:33 PM
#87:


Sounds fair.

Our current system practically tells them it's okay to do, with the "punishments" given. Obama and Trudeau were very accommodating to these perverts.

We need to set stronger examples. Lethal injection might be a better choice, though. If you did something like this in Saudi Arabia, you would be decapitated before you knew where you were.
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_OujiDoza_
09/12/17 12:15:04 PM
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I guess locking away a person for all eternity in a piss-ridden cesspool full of like degenerates whilst sprinkling in a little solitary confinement for flavor isn't cruel and unusual at all since we've decided that it is the "least cruel" of all the cruel and unusual punishments...

Nevermind the state of some of the jails/prisons in this country and the slumlords that run them.

Guess there's no such thing as "a fate worst than death" when it comes to prison.

The Brazzen Bull is not something that would be cool in this day and age - maybe not, but some of the retorts in this thread about alternatives (or lack thereof) are borderline hilarious.
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hockeybub89
09/12/17 12:20:48 PM
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That is both barbaric and a form of capital punishment, so hell no would I be okay with it.
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DemonBuffet
09/12/17 12:22:57 PM
#90:


_OujiDoza_ posted...
I guess locking away a person for all eternity in a piss-ridden cesspool full of like degenerates whilst sprinkling in a little solitary confinement for flavor isn't cruel and unusual at all since we've decided that it is the "least cruel" of all the cruel and unusual punishments...

Nevermind the state of some of the jails/prisons in this country and the slumlords that run them.

Guess there's no such thing as "a fate worst than death" when it comes to prison.

The Brazzen Bull is not something that would be cool in this day and age - maybe not, but some of the retorts in this thread about alternatives (or lack thereof) are borderline hilarious.


No kidding. I'm not saying burning bull is okay, but all these sheltered kids ran into the topic saying capital punishment in general is so wrong and bad and puts us at a lower level than a murderer.
Its fucking hilarious.
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Santorin
09/12/17 12:23:54 PM
#91:


hockeybub89 posted...
That is both barbaric and a form of capital punishment, so hell no would I be okay with it.


I don't think most people would be ok with it.

The better question is what form of punishment do YOU find acceptable for child trafficking into sex slavery?
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Santorin
09/12/17 12:25:42 PM
#92:


DemonBuffet posted...
No kidding. I'm not saying burning bull is okay, but all these sheltered kids ran into the topic saying capital punishment in general is so wrong and bad and puts us at a lower level than a murderer.
Its f***ing hilarious.


Right.

The burning bull is a catalyst to get people to talk about child trafficking into sex slaves and how those people should be punished.

I'm not shocked to see all these sheltered first worlders crying that capital punishment is wrong.
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hockeybub89
09/12/17 12:28:30 PM
#93:


Santorin posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
That is both barbaric and a form of capital punishment, so hell no would I be okay with it.


I don't think most people would be ok with it.

The better question is what form of punishment do YOU find acceptable for child trafficking into sex slavery?

Prison
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hockeybub89
09/12/17 12:30:52 PM
#94:


Santorin posted...
I'm not shocked to see all these sheltered first worlders crying that capital punishment is wrong.

I am fully aware of how awful people can be. I still wouldn't even execute Hitler.
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CensorErik
09/12/17 12:33:16 PM
#95:


Tmaster148 posted...
Trigg3rH4ppy posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
I'm against cruel and unusual punishment.

We're talking about child sex traffickers, not people. They're subhuman.


They are still people regardless of what crime they have done.

I totally disagree. Child sex traffickers and child rapists are not human. They shouldn't be treated the same as other criminals. I'm not for torture or killing of people, but again, these things aren't people, so I'm open to all forms of torture where they're concerned. Tag me as you see fit.
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Squidkids
09/12/17 12:33:17 PM
#96:


Tmaster148 posted...
I'm against cruel and unusual punishment.

always wondered what the unusual referred too
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Tmaster148
09/12/17 12:36:41 PM
#99:


CensorErik posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
Trigg3rH4ppy posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
I'm against cruel and unusual punishment.

We're talking about child sex traffickers, not people. They're subhuman.


They are still people regardless of what crime they have done.

I totally disagree. Child sex traffickers and child rapists are not human. They shouldn't be treated the same as other criminals. I'm not for torture or killing of people, but again, these things aren't people, so I'm open to all forms of torture when they're concerned. Tag me as you see fit.


They are human. Doing a crime doesn't change your species.

Squidkids posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
I'm against cruel and unusual punishment.

always wondered what the unusual referred too


I think it just refers to whether or not the punishment is acceptable to standards set by society. Like Solitary Confident is cruel punishment, but it's not unusual punishment.
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Santorin
09/12/17 12:42:44 PM
#100:


hockeybub89 posted...
Santorin posted...
I'm not shocked to see all these sheltered first worlders crying that capital punishment is wrong.

I am fully aware of how awful people can be. I still wouldn't even execute Hitler.


This is just where we have to agree to disagree.
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Santorin
09/12/17 12:46:53 PM
#102:


Asherlee10 posted...
As I said, I think it serves no place in our society 99% of the time.


In 2011 2,266,800 people were incarcerated

of those 2,266,800 only 43 inmates were executed.

((43 / 2,266,800) * 100) = 0.0161169%

So we are in agreeance.

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