Current Events > Lol, Vegeta getting left in Goku's dust again

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_Goggalor_
09/14/17 7:40:51 AM
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Goku has SSB KK, which already leaves Vegeta far behind. Now he's getting his "limit breaker" form or whatever it is. It's like DBZ before Majin Vegeta lol. Goku had SS3 and Vegeta only had SS1.
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DoomSwell
09/14/17 8:21:33 AM
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There's rumors Vegeta may be getting some kind of upgrade soon too, at least something similar to his training in the Goku Black Arc.
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tremain07
09/14/17 8:29:00 AM
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lol no, Vegeta's getting knocked out this week.
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DoomSwell
09/14/17 8:31:08 AM
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tremain07 posted...
lol no, Vegeta's getting knocked out this week.

There's also rumors that say episode 110 or so still has 8 members from Universe 7.
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CEs_EFG
09/14/17 8:36:45 AM
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Returning_CEmen
09/14/17 8:50:28 AM
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AceAttorneyist
09/14/17 8:52:02 AM
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Vegeta had SS2 well before Majin
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_Goggalor_
09/14/17 8:53:28 AM
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AceAttorneyist posted...
Vegeta had SS2 well before Majin


Really? That seems to be a fan theory.
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voldothegr8
09/14/17 8:55:06 AM
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AceAttorneyist posted...
Vegeta had SS2 well before Majin

Pretty sure the whole reason he agreed to go Majin was to get SSJ2.
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Twinmold
09/14/17 9:11:29 AM
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The complexity of the plot in DBZ pretty much boils down to "character couldn't beat thing, so character get stronger, can now best thing, now thing get stronger, so now character get stronger, so now thing get stronger..."
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Back_Stabbath
09/14/17 9:13:13 AM
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dw vegeta will go brood in the time chamber for a few days and he'll be all caught up.
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3khc
09/14/17 9:14:05 AM
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Actually, Goku and Vegeta both caught up to Gohan/Cell by the time Majin Buu showed up. Maybe even surpassing them.
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_Goggalor_
09/14/17 9:15:01 AM
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3khc posted...
Actually, Goku and Vegeta both caught up to Gohan/Cell by the time Majin Buu showed up. Maybe even surpassing them.


Proof?
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3khc
09/14/17 9:18:54 AM
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_Goggalor_ posted...
3khc posted...
Actually, Goku and Vegeta both caught up to Gohan/Cell by the time Majin Buu showed up. Maybe even surpassing them.


Proof?

At work right now, but there is dialogue by multiple characters (Vegeta, Piccolo) stating that "they are at the same level of power when Gohan fought Cell".
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_Goggalor_
09/14/17 9:19:57 AM
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JustMyOpinion posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
3khc posted...
Actually, Goku and Vegeta both caught up to Gohan/Cell by the time Majin Buu showed up. Maybe even surpassing them.


Proof?



Shut up, fam.


No. Goku had SS2, Vegeta probably not until Majin.
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A_Good_Boy
09/14/17 9:21:50 AM
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_Goggalor_ posted...
JustMyOpinion posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
3khc posted...
Actually, Goku and Vegeta both caught up to Gohan/Cell by the time Majin Buu showed up. Maybe even surpassing them.


Proof?



Shut up, fam.


No. Goku had SS2, Vegeta probably not until Majin.

Nope, he had it before Majin.
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3khc
09/14/17 9:22:50 AM
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_Goggalor_ posted...
JustMyOpinion posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
3khc posted...
Actually, Goku and Vegeta both caught up to Gohan/Cell by the time Majin Buu showed up. Maybe even surpassing them.


Proof?



Shut up, fam.


No. Goku had SS2, Vegeta probably not.

Some dialogue from Vegeta that I'm sure you remember was 1) Vegeta looking forward to fighting Gohan at the tournament and 2) Vegeta being annoyed that Gohan could barely keep up with Dabura who was a Cell level opponent.

This highly implies Vegeta at least caught up to SSJ2 pre-teen Gohan.
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voldothegr8
09/14/17 10:14:15 AM
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3khc posted...
Some dialogue from Vegeta that I'm sure you remember was 1) Vegeta looking forward to fighting Gohan at the tournament and 2) Vegeta being annoyed that Gohan could barely keep up with Dabura who was a Cell level opponent.

1. Vegeta is always looking forward to fights, doesn't mean he had SSJ2
2. Again, Vegeta being annoyed doesn't mean he had SSJ2

Vegeta simply was never shown to have SSJ2 before he accepted Majin, and it was flat out stated he needed Majin to equal SSJ2 Goku, heavily implying he didn't have it before Majin. There were no heavy implications that he had before, just fan theories grasping at a few very in character lines.
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3khc
09/14/17 10:29:59 AM
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voldothegr8 posted...
3khc posted...
Some dialogue from Vegeta that I'm sure you remember was 1) Vegeta looking forward to fighting Gohan at the tournament and 2) Vegeta being annoyed that Gohan could barely keep up with Dabura who was a Cell level opponent.

1. Vegeta is always looking forward to fights, doesn't mean he had SSJ2
2. Again, Vegeta being annoyed doesn't mean he had SSJ2

Vegeta simply was never shown to have SSJ2 before he accepted Majin, and it was flat out stated he needed Majin to equal SSJ2 Goku, heavily implying he didn't have it before Majin. There were no heavy implications that he had before, just fan theories grasping at a few very in character lines.

1. Vegeta is knew exactly what he would be up against when fighting Gohan. Vegeta is prideful to a fault, but he isn't stupid.
2. Vegeta and Goku both acknowledged that Gohan wasn't doing as well as they would against Dabura. This is before the Majin Charm.

It took seven years, but Vegeta did finally catch up. I'm not saying he completely outclassed Cell or pre-teen Gohan, but it was enough. The dialogue is all we have for proof and we can't just discard them.
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Balrog0
09/14/17 10:32:00 AM
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3khc posted...
Vegeta is prideful to a fault, but he isn't stupid.


isn't he though?

Vegeta writes plenty of checks his ass can't cash
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Trigg3rH4ppy
09/14/17 10:34:37 AM
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Twinmold posted...
The complexity of the plot in all of shonen pretty much boils down to "character couldn't beat thing, so character get stronger, can now best thing, now thing get stronger, so now character get stronger, so now thing get stronger..."

Fix'd
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Doe
09/14/17 10:35:59 AM
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The fuck is this topic

Didn't Vegeta attain ssj2 after using the hyperbolic time chamber, and used it to fight semi perfect cell
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Trigg3rH4ppy
09/14/17 10:37:02 AM
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3khc posted...
Some dialogue from Vegeta that I'm sure you remember was 1) Vegeta looking forward to fighting Gohan at the tournament

99% sure I remember they agreed to not transform for the tournament
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Trigg3rH4ppy
09/14/17 10:38:32 AM
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Doe posted...
The fuck is this topic

Didn't Vegeta attain ssj2 after using the hyperbolic time chamber, and used it to fight semi perfect cell

Lol no that was USSJ1(super Vegeta), trunks hit that level as well as USSJ2 which was the slow form.

Ssj2 is skinny with spikier hair and a lightning aura
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3khc
09/14/17 10:43:04 AM
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Balrog0 posted...
3khc posted...
Vegeta is prideful to a fault, but he isn't stupid.


isn't he though?

Vegeta writes plenty of checks his ass can't cash

Taking context into consideration, Vegeta (cell saga) was high off his super saiyan transformation. AND he was constantly competing for the kill. He wanted to prove he would be the one to take down the strongest version of Cell.

Well, after Gohan passed him up, Vegeta had a lot of time to think about what happened. In the Buu Saga, Vegeta challenged Gohan with a level head.
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3khc
09/14/17 10:45:37 AM
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Trigg3rH4ppy posted...
3khc posted...
Some dialogue from Vegeta that I'm sure you remember was 1) Vegeta looking forward to fighting Gohan at the tournament

99% sure I remember they agreed to not transform for the tournament

This changes things.
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tremain07
09/14/17 10:48:49 AM
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Then he had a midlife crisis episode and did some outrageously stupid shit. He seems better in Super from what I've seen meanwhile Gohan is frustratingly disappointing a character like him does not belong in Dragonball,I'm sure he's dedicated husband and doting father but holy shit that's completely ruined him battle wise.
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A_Good_Boy
09/14/17 11:35:16 AM
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JustMyOpinion posted...
3khc posted...
Balrog0 posted...
3khc posted...
Vegeta is prideful to a fault, but he isn't stupid.


isn't he though?

Vegeta writes plenty of checks his ass can't cash

Taking context into consideration, Vegeta (cell saga) was high off his super saiyan transformation. AND he was constantly competing for the kill. He wanted to prove he would be the one to take down the strongest version of Cell.

Well, after Gohan passed him up, Vegeta had a lot of time to think about what happened. In the Buu Saga, Vegeta challenged Gohan with a level head.


And then when he came back after getting killed by Buu he wanted to fight Buu one on one again when he got brought back. He doesn't make the best decisions when looking at his opponent's power levels.

He wasn't serious about that shit. He was just pissed that Goku played him for a chump and was hiding another transformation under his belt and fought him with a handicap.
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Kineth
09/14/17 11:35:23 AM
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Vegeta didn't get SSJ2 until becoming Majin Vegeta. He did have power comparable to slacker SSJ2 Gohan as an SSJ1 at that point though.
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ChromaticAngel
09/14/17 11:37:33 AM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
JustMyOpinion posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
3khc posted...
Actually, Goku and Vegeta both caught up to Gohan/Cell by the time Majin Buu showed up. Maybe even surpassing them.


Proof?



Shut up, fam.


No. Goku had SS2, Vegeta probably not until Majin.

Nope, he had it before Majin.


he had like a 1.5 ish form during Cell Saga but couldn't quite get all the way to 2. That was the main difference between Goku and Vegeta during that arc was Goku stopped strength training and just tried to get comfortable in the SSJ form, while Vegeta trained to become even stronger.
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Kaname_Madoka
09/14/17 9:20:23 PM
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vegeta is fodder
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