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Darmik posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

Darmik posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

All that matters is that it was completely overshadowed by the better game, BotW

You know it's possible for two great games to be released around the same time right?

It's also possible for one of them to be completely forgotten due to the other one being leagues better. Which is what happened.

Err no. Horizon is the big new IP for Sony and will be sticking around for a while. Not sure why it has to be a competition.

Also didn't Horizon destroy BotW in sales when they both came out.
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Just more weeaboos, jealous of the fact that outside of a few notable exceptions, most Japanese studios have to resort to sexual pandering to foreveralones in order to get their games on the map.
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Smashingpmkns posted...

Darmik posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

All that matters is that it was completely overshadowed by the better game, BotW

You know it's possible for two great games to be released around the same time right?

It's also possible for one of them to be completely forgotten due to the other one being leagues better. Which is what happened.

I mean one is a brand new IP and the other is an IP that has +30 years of recognition.

With that said, both games are fun but are nothing to how really fun Far Cry Primal.
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SPoilers BELOW!

> Main character is a girl and not very hot for Video game standards
> The hero of the past who saved the world is a mary sue super perfect girl
> Main Villain is a man
> Even with AI the villain is male and hero is female...somehow...
> Main character reacts to every sexual advance and thought of sexual activity with contempt and disgust
> The peaceful people are all led by women, the violent people are all led by men.
> Despite a slightly hilarious amount of reaching and effort to include a racially diverse cast, everyone evil is male and (almost) entirely white


Doesn't bother me at all, Horizon was a great game. I'm a Bioware fan and they're even worse for this stuff, doesn't stop their games from being excellent.

You're kidding yourself however if you pretend you can't see why it ticked off the gender politics vultures. The game wasn't even subtle.
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Darmik posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

Darmik posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

All that matters is that it was completely overshadowed by the better game, BotW

You know it's possible for two great games to be released around the same time right?

It's also possible for one of them to be completely forgotten due to the other one being leagues better. Which is what happened.

Err no. Horizon is the big new IP for Sony and will be sticking around for a while. Not sure why it has to be a competition.

Most Sony IPs are forgotten shortly after launch up until the sequel. Fits the bill. Getting that Infamous treatment. Could have slapped an Ubisoft logo on the game and it would have fooled everyone.
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The NPCs are very diverse but it's never brought any attention to and I found it kind of refreshing in that way.

Also, at worst Aloy looks above average to me, I really don't get the complaints about her look at all. Visually she pops and looks like the star of a movie, certainly not just an extra to blend in.

So I imagine the game does tick those boxes (and maybe more) for the more hyper-liberals but I don't recall it ever using it as a way to talk down to the player so for me the SJW critique is just nonsense.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

SPoilers BELOW!

> Main character is a girl and not very hot for Video game standards
> The hero of the past who saved the world is a mary sue super perfect girl
> Main Villain is a man
> Even with AI the villain is male and hero is female...somehow...
> Main character reacts to every sexual advance and thought of sexual activity with contempt and disgust
> The peaceful people are all led by women, the violent people are all led by men.
> Despite a slightly hilarious amount of reaching and effort to include a racially diverse cast, everyone evil is male and (almost) entirely white


Doesn't bother me at all, Horizon was a great game. I'm a Bioware fan and they're even worse for this stuff, doesn't stop their games from being excellent.

You're kidding yourself however if you pretend you can't see why it ticked off the gender politics vultures. The game wasn't even subtle.

It's impressive how much of this is wrong. I wonder if people will swallow up the bullshit anyway. Avad and Sylens alone contradict half of this incredibly reaching list.

Smashingpmkns posted...

Most Sony IPs are forgotten shortly after launch up until the sequel. Fits the bill. Getting that Infamous treatment. Could have slapped an Ubisoft logo on the game and it would have fooled everyone.

This is really sad dude. Have you even played the game?
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Smashingpmkns posted...

Darmik posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

Darmik posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

All that matters is that it was completely overshadowed by the better game, BotW

You know it's possible for two great games to be released around the same time right?

It's also possible for one of them to be completely forgotten due to the other one being leagues better. Which is what happened.

Err no. Horizon is the big new IP for Sony and will be sticking around for a while. Not sure why it has to be a competition.

Most Sony IPs are forgotten shortly after launch up until the sequel. Fits the bill. Getting that Infamous treatment. Could have slapped an Ubisoft logo on the game and it would have fooled everyone.

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Darmik posted...

It's impressive how much of this is wrong. I wonder if people will swallow up the bullshit anyway. Avad and Sylens alone contradict half of this incredibly reaching list.

That shit is the same garbage "white male genocide" lunatics regurgitated about it

Bringit posted...

The NPCs are very diverse but it's never brought any attention to and I found it kind of refreshing in that way.

Also, at worst Aloy looks above average to me, I really don't get the complaints about her look at all. Visually she pops and looks like the star of a movie, certainly not just an extra to blend in.

So I imagine the game does tick those boxes (and maybe more) for the more hyper-liberals but I don't recall it ever using it as a way to talk down to the player so for me the SJW critique is just nonsense.

It makes sense as to why everyone's diverse when you get to the end of the game.

Bringit posted...

Also, at worst Aloy looks above average to me, I really don't get the complaints about her look at all.

Video game women "Average" is smoking hot. With huge breasts and tiny waists.

Above average is ugly.

Again whether you care or not is one thing but don't pretend you haven't noticed:





Movies, games, comics, even books have sold to teenage boy's dicks for decades.

Not many are Noraing off to Alloy.
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Axiom posted...

Darmik posted...

It's impressive how much of this is wrong. I wonder if people will swallow up the bullshit anyway. Avad and Sylens alone contradict half of this incredibly reaching list.

That shit is the same garbage "white male genocide" lunatics regurgitated about it

It's sad. Pretty much none of it is right. But there's enough in the marketing and trailers to make people believe that it's right.
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Darmik posted...

It's sad. Pretty much none of it is right

Actually it's all right.

You just don't care about it. Which is fine. I don't either. But this pretending you don't comprehend it is weird.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Darmik posted...

It's sad. Pretty much none of it is right

Actually it's all right.

You just don't care about it. Which is fine. I don't either. But this pretending you don't comprehend it is weird.

Nope.


> The hero of the past who saved the world is a mary sue super perfect girl
Nope. She didn't save the world at all. That's the point. She let it be destroyed and set up the stage to start it again. She also trusted Ted too much and her plan ultimately didn't work as it was supposed to.

> Main Villain is a man
The main villain is an AI called Hades

> Even with AI the villain is male and hero is female...somehow...
Somehow? All of the AI are named after mythological Gods. Gaia is always depicted as the God of nature. How did this fly right past you?

> Main character reacts to every sexual advance and thought of sexual activity with contempt and disgust
Err what? She usually doesn't react much at all. She certainly didn't react with contempt to Avad and Erend


> The peaceful people are all led by women, the violent people are all led by men.
How have you finished the game and considered the Nora to be the good guys and the Carja to be violent bad guys? Did you miss how the Nora were isolationist and incredibly hostile to anyone who crossed their borders or were outcast due to their religion? Did you miss that Aloy spent her entire life before the game being a victim of this?

> Despite a slightly hilarious amount of reaching and effort to include a racially diverse cast, everyone evil is male and (almost) entirely white
Did you completely forget about Sylens? Did you think he was a good guy? Do you think the post-credit scene of him extracting the Hades AI was supposed to be an act of heroism?
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I think it's cause of the voice actress. That's what most people told me anyways. I don't know who the fuck she is though. Everyone acts like I should because she did some shitty youtube show but I never heard of it so I didn't care.
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Darmik posted...

Nope. She didn't save the world at all. That's the point. She let it be destroyed and set up the stage to start it again. She also trusted Ted too much and her plan ultimately didn't work as it was supposed to.

What a dumb post. "She didn't save the world, she just prevented the excintion of the human race and literally rebuilt the entire world while successfully stopping the evil threat, that's not saving the world! It's just preventing the world from being destroyed and then saving it,... it being the world. And she's also not perfect, she trusted a white man too much and he fucked everything up again for the second time after he fucked the world up once already."


Darmik posted...

> Main Villain is a man
The main villain is an AI called Hades

Who has a male voice and male charactistics. While the good AI has a female voice and female characistics. Meanwhile his evil right hand man is male and the man who fucked everything up in the first place is male.

> Even with AI the villain is male and hero is female...somehow...
Somehow? All of the AI are named after mythological Gods. Gaia is always depicted as the God of nature. How did this fly right past you?

It didn't?... But it doesn't change the point whatsoever.

Main character reacts to every sexual advance and thought of sexual activity with contempt and disgust
Err what? She usually doesn't react much at all. She certainly didn't react with contempt to Avad and Erend

Yes she did, she gets all pissy that he moved on Ersa instantly and tried to go after her. She also makes snide or disgusted comments every time it comes up.

> The peaceful people are all led by women, the violent people are all led by men.
How have you finished the game and considered the Nora to be the good guys and the Carja to be violent bad guys? Did you miss how the Nora were isolationist and incredibly hostile to anyone who crossed their borders or were outcast due to their religion? Did you miss that Aloy spent her entire life before the game being a victim of this?

No I didn't. Doesnt change any of the points.

Again you're confusing "I don't care and I like the game" with "I want to lie to pretend that I can't comprehend while gender politics vultures got angsty about this one!"

You don't have to pretend to be stupid just because you like the game.

Despite a slightly hilarious amount of reaching and effort to include a racially diverse cast, everyone evil is male and (almost) entirely white
Did you completely forget about Sylens? Did you think he was a good guy? Do you think the post-credit scene of him extracting the Hades AI was supposed to be an act of heroism?

Hence the almost.

And Sylens isn't even evil. Just out for himself, using you for his own gain like men do.

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CrimsonRage posted...

D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

I think it's cause of the voice actress. That's what most people told me anyways. I don't know who the fuck she is though. Everyone acts like I should because she did some shitty youtube show but I never heard of it so I didn't care.

Why would people hate Ashley Burch. She has a cute voice. I thought her brother Anthony was the weird game journalist everybody hated.

Didn't she do Chloe in Life Is Strange?
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UnfairRepresent posted...

"She didn't save the world, she just prevented the excintion of the human race

But she didn't. Humanity was 100% wiped out. Only years later were there clones made and released into the wild.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

What a dumb post. "She didn't save the world, she just prevented the excintion of the human race and literally rebuilt the entire world while successfully stopping the evil threat, that's not saving the world! It's just preventing the world from being destroyed and then saving it,... it being the world. And she's also not perfect, she trusted a white man too much and he f***ed everything up again for the second time after he f***ed the world up once already."

So what you're saying is that she wasn't a Mary Sue who saved the world and that your post wasn't correct at all. You're also not mentioning that Ted Faro also helped along with hundreds of other people in the Horizon Zero Dawn program and that it still failed. Got it.

Who has a male voice and male charactistics. While the good AI has a female voice and female characistics. Meanwhile his evil right hand man is male and the man who f***ed everything up in the first place is male.

He's a robot with a robot voice. He has no other goal than restarting the world. That's it. It's a robotic spin on old mythology. Gaia is designed to be the God of nature and has a female hologram (the only one we see). There's also literally every other AI in the game that you're not mentioning. Hades purpose was to restart the world. That's why he's the bad one. Hades is usually depicted as a villain.</Did you whine that God of War had Gaia as a protagonist and Ares as a villain?

The dumb thing with complaints like this is that literally any female role would still have these dumb reaching complaints because then you'd whine it's not realistic that nobody important is a man.

No I didn't. Doesnt change any of the points.

Yes it does. You make it sound like the female led tribes were the heroes and the male led ones were the villains? Is this correct? No.

And Sylens isn't even evil. Just out for himself, using you for his own gain like men do.

Wait so it's just men and not white men who are bad now? The Nora leaders also never used Aloy for their own benefit once she gained importance?

And he's literally responsible for Hades coming back. He literally spends the entire game manipulating Aloy. The sequel thread directly involves him yet again using Hades. You don't get to say dumb shit like "all the villains are white males" when he's literally the most important character outside of Aloy and is set up as a direct antagonist in future games.
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Because it is.

I've made multiple topics on the issue, only to be screamed at irreparably by Horizon fantheys and fanthems. I'll edit in my most recent topic. It gets very lively, fyi:

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/168644-horizon-zero-dawn/75738992

Basically, it's about a woman who indirectly denounces men, the patriarchy, and biology. Moreover, the game suggests that all men are weak, infantile maniacs, who will lead civilization to ruin -- women are harmony. Think of game where the meat of the narrative is centered around Sally Fields' s quote from the Oscars, or is the brain-fart of Anita Sarkeesian.

It's that bad.

Now, Horizon keeps these tropes hidden or subtle until the last third, through the clever guise of exploration in a science fiction setting. But, Horizon is indeed a critique on the male gender, and is a mouth piece for Scandinavian SJW groupthink. Guerrilla has some piss in the soup, and need the same restructuring that EA gave to Bioware Edmonton.
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JerickoX posted...

Basically, it's about a woman who indirectly denounces men, the patriarchy, and biology. Moreover, the game suggests that all men are weak, infantile maniacs, who will lead civilization to ruin.

How does Aloy denounce men and the patriarchy?

Where does the game suggest that all men are weak, infantile maniacs that will lead civilization to ruin.
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I never finished the game (I got bored of it 6 hours into it), but I heard that the end of the game has a muslim character that pushes open borders on you. That would be the only thing that can be considered "sjwish"

But then again, I read that on /v/, so that can probably be taken with a grain of salt.
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SavenForever posted...

I never finished the game (I got bored of it 6 hours into it), but I heard that the end of the game has a muslim character that pushes open borders on you. That would be the only thing that can be considered "sjwish"

But then again, I read that on /v/, so that can probably be taken with a grain of salt.

There is no modern religion in the game at all lol. They start new religions and faiths. Society has basically started again.
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Darmik posted...

So what you're saying is that she wasn't a Mary Sue who saved the world and that your post wasn't correct at all.

No that's the literal opposite of what I said.

Your arguing skills are Admiral tier.

Darmik posted...

He's a robot with a robot voice. He has no other goal than restarting the world. That's it. It's a robotic spin on old mythology. Gaia is designed to be the God of nature and has a female hologram (the only one we see). There's also literally every other AI in the game that you're not mentioning. Hades purpose was to restart the world.

Hades voice was male. And going "It's a spin on mythology" isn't relevant to the point, it's still male villain, female hero. Which is a theme throughout the game.

The dumb thing with complaints like this is that literally any female role would still have these dumb reaching complaints because then you'd whine it's not realistic that nobody important is a man.

I'm not complaining for starters.

But for two, the fact other games DON'T get the gender politcs vultures going is proof that this statement is not true. No one called the Resident Evil games SJW because you have chicks in it shooting white guys.

Darmik posted...

Yes it does. You make it sound like the female led tribes were the heroes and the male led ones were the villains? Is this correct? No.

So you think the ones who respect the land and lived in peace are villains and the ones who ran around murdering everyone with human sacrifice, blood rituals, gladiator arenas, slavery and rape are heroes?

Again you're trying waaaaaaaay too hard with the lying here. It just makes you come across as super insecure.

Darmik posted...

Wait so it's just men and not white men who are bad now? The Nora leaders also never used Aloy for their own benefit once she gained importance?

The point the Gender Politics Vultures are making is that it promotes the Matriarchy while simutaniously trashing the patriarchy.

You and TC going "Why do they say this, I just can't understand it!" is just dumb. Whether or not you care or agree with it isn't relevant.

These are the reasons people say it.

And he's literally responsible for Hades coming back. He literally spends the entire game manipulating Aloy. The sequel thread directly involves him yet again using Hades.

No he's not. He literally says

"Hello, old friend. Remember me? We've still so much to discuss, so much you never revealed.
Your Masters, for example. The ones who sent the signal that woke you. Knowledge has its rewards, don't you think? Well.. let's begin."

Some other unknown enity is responsible for Hades coming back. Sylens just empowered him in exchange for knowlege and got outplayed.

I'm starting to doubt if you actually finished the game or just watched Youtube vides on it
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SavenForever posted...

I never finished the game (I got bored of it 6 hours into it), but I heard that the end of the game has a muslim character that pushes open borders on you. That would be the only thing that can be considered "sjwish"

But then again, I read that on /v/, so that can probably be taken with a grain of salt.

Ehhh that's reaching.

There is a Muslim scientist and the game does promote the strength of mixing cultures vs stagnation.

But calling that "A muslim character pushing open boarders on you" is like saying that Legend of Zelda is about a transgender on a quest to fist a giant pig.

You see where the "lost in google translate" point originally stems from but it's become incoherant along the way
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UnfairRep:

You're awesome. This guy sees the light.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Hades voice was male. And going "It's a spin on mythology" isn't relevant to the point, it's still male villain, female hero. Which is a theme throughout the game.

How can this not be a 'theme of the game' when you literally play as a female character with a primary male antagonist lead by an AI god? If the game had the exact same plot with a male protagonist you'd literally have nothing to reach at. There are also several male heroes that help Aloy as well. Remember the final mission?

UnfairRepresent posted...

But for two, the fact other games DON'T get the gender politcs vultures going is proof that this statement is not true. No one called the Resident Evil games SJW because you have chicks in it shooting white guys.

Just the one with only a female protagonist to choose from apparently. That people don't consider hot.

UnfairRepresent posted...

So you think the ones who respect the land and lived in peace are villains and the ones who ran around murdering everyone with human sacrifice, blood rituals, gladiator arenas, slavery and rape are heroes?

So have you played the game or not? You know there's both the modern Carja and the Shadow Carja right? You know that Avad was denouncing everything the Mad King did right? You know that he's the best leader in the game and he's a male right?

UnfairRepresent posted...

The point the Gender Politics Vultures are making is that it promotes the Matriarchy while simutaniously trashing the patriarchy.

You literally keep saying this while ignoring that the game does not promote the Nora at all. You haven't once delved into how the game glorifies the Nora at the expense of everyone else. Will you start now?

UnfairRepresent posted...

No he's not.

He literally says "Hello, old friend. Remember me? We've still so much to discuss, so much you never revealed.Your Masters, for example. The ones who sent the signal that woke you. Knowledge has its rewards, don't you think? Well.. let's begin."

Some other unknown enity is responsible for Hades coming back.

Sylens just empowered him in exchange for knowlege and got outplayed.

I'm starting to doubt if you actually finished the game or just watched Youtube vides on it

Oh yeah just empowering Hades was not a big deal at all and completely irrelevant to the games plot. His thirst for knowledge at the expense of everything else is also seen as a heroic quality because reasons. He certainly showed a lot of regret and remorse over the events and mistakes he made right? That's why him having Hades to talk to isn't a big deal at all.
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CrimsonRage posted...

JerickoX posted...

UnfairRep:

You're awesome. This guy sees the light.

He's not agreeing with you lol

I see that he's not in favor of the argument, but he at least acknowledges that the SJW agenda in Horizon is real.

For that, he gets my respect.
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JerickoX posted...

Because it is.

I've made multiple topics on the issue, only to be screamed at irreparably by Horizon fantheys and fanthems. I'll edit in my most recent topic. It gets very lively, fyi:

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/168644-horizon-zero-dawn/75738992

Basically, it's about a woman who indirectly denounces men, the patriarchy, and biology. Moreover, the game suggests that all men are weak, infantile maniacs, who will lead civilization to ruin -- women are harmony. Think of game where the meat of the narrative is centered around Sally Fields' s quote from the Oscars, or is the brain-fart of Anita Sarkeesian.

It's that bad.

Now, Horizon keeps these tropes hidden or subtle until the last third, through the clever guise of exploration in a science fiction setting. But, Horizon is indeed a critique on the male gender, and is a mouth piece for Scandinavian SJW groupthink. Guerrilla has some piss in the soup, and need the same restructuring that EA gave to Bioware Edmonton.

Jesus, some people are seriously unhinged. Horizon was a great game.
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Is it a game worth getting?
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LightningAce11 posted...

Is it a game worth getting?

Yeah, very fun game.
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Smashingpmkns posted...

Darmik posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

All that matters is that it was completely overshadowed by the better game, BotW

You know it's possible for two great games to be released around the same time right?

It's also possible for one of them to be completely forgotten due to the other one being leagues better. Which is what happened.

I played both

Honestly I enjoyed Horizon much more
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That_Happened posted...

Melonfarms posted...

Ashley Burch voices the main character. I think that is the main reason.

Why would anyone not like Ashly Burch?

Because she is an SJW with an SJW brother. Not because of her voice acting ability.
Maybe it's mostly her brother.

I think she did a really good job as Aloy and Aloy is a good character. She's a good voice actress.
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Melonfarms posted...

That_Happened posted...

Melonfarms posted...

Ashley Burch voices the main character. I think that is the main reason.

Why would anyone not like Ashly Burch?

Because she is an SJW with an SJW brother. Not because of her voice acting ability.
Maybe it's mostly her brother.

I think she did a really good job as Aloy and Aloy is a good character. She's a good voice actress.

...and she wanted to do Mass Effect right after Horizon. Hmmm...
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Because SJW is an empty term thrown around for no good reason.
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Is it just me or does Aloy look a little bit like Lindsay Lohan in a way?

MC_BatCommander posted...

the main character isn't a total slammin' hotty so nerds are buttflustered

For real. She has a more hunter tough woman look to her. More primal and savage. It's a cool look tbh.

She's not a Victoria's secret model and so the whiners can't masturbate to her. I bet you that the complainers create female characters in every game as well.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

There is a Muslim scientist and the game does promote the strength of mixing cultures vs stagnation.

IIRC no evidence she was Muslim. The headscarf isn't strictly Muslim attire. She didn't wear a hijab either. and all her shit gets deleted anyway
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Seriously, in what way is she not attractive?
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CarlGrimes posted...

Seriously, in what way is she not attractive?

Sjw haircut T_T
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SJW game? If they actually played the game they'd see it isn't.
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People made a lot of assumptions about it before its release.
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Is the expansion pack out yet?

muchdran posted...

Is the expansion pack out yet?

November 7th
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CarlGrimes posted...

Seriously, in what way is she not attractive?

That's actually a nice picture of her. Is that official art? >_>
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