Poll of the Day > This Conservative wants this Teacher FIRED cause she said ALL HUMANS ARE EQUAL!

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Crybaby Arizona Parents are OUTRAGED after a 4th grade elementary teacher edited the Declaration of Independence to include gender-neutral pronouns!!

In the edited version the text reads "all humans are created equal" and "Goverments are instituted under humans"..The teacher replaced "men" on both instances.

That decision outraged Green Witch Elizabeth Vaillancourt whose young son was in the class at Salk Elementary.

She took to FB to voice her anger at the actions and said "Zev's teacher had this hanging in the classroom can anyone guess what's wrong with this picture"

Elizabeth and other parents were outraged and demand the teacher be FIRED and want President Trump to INTERVENE to have her fired!!

One woman wrote "I'm sooooo pissed about this whole situation!! She needs her teacher cert revoked"

Another said "How are these idiots teaching children today. Frie the teacher"

But 20 comments DEFENDED the teacher writing "Nothing is wrong with it. We are humans. stop making a fool of yourself"

Elizabeth then went to the media and said "Indoctrination is happening at Salk Elementary. Liberals are trying to change what good this country has left. It should say Men and i as a woman don't have a problem with that because it was Men who founded America and gave us this great nation. This is not up for debate i am trying to raise awareness doing for those of you who did not get that far what she is donig is indoctrination you may be alright with her doing this but it is against board and scool policy"

Then Elizabeth said she took her son out of the classroom because she no longer trusts FEMALE TEACHERS and said "I beg all of you for future generations to remain free, please be ware what is actually occurring in our schools. Donald Trump SAVE US".

The school said that they provided feedback and guidance to the teacher to restore the document to its originial format and the district does not allow teachers to share their political views with students.

Are you offended that it said Humans rather then Men? let's see what people will vote

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Elizabeth - Green Witch

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While I don't have a problem with hypothetically changing it from "men" to "humans", I do think that the way she handled it seems petty and immature.

What a stupid bitch, men already refers to the whole, we are mankind, "woman" is merely a subset of man that has different business ends.

We don't need teachers that doctor excerpts of historical documents in a misleading manner.
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I mean it was already false, men were in no way equal at the time that it was written.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

What a stupid bitch, men already refers to the whole, we are mankind, "woman" is merely a subset of man that has different business ends.

We don't need teachers that doctor excerpts of historical documents in a misleading manner.

kind of agreed, but at the same time it reeeeeally doesn't fucking matter that much.
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lol cutting "men" in that way seems very stupid and unprofessional, that was just asking for trouble.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

What a stupid bitch, men already refers to the whole, we are mankind, "woman" is merely a subset of man that has different business ends.

We don't need teachers that doctor excerpts of historical documents in a misleading manner.

This, tbh. Not that she should be fired over it, although I have zero faith in her as a teacher.
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Full Throttle posted...

Are you offended that the teacher changed men to humans?

As a man I thought I was already human. Apparently I'm wrong.
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Everyone is ridiculous in this story. I'm so sick of fake outrage.

The teacher shouldn't be making edits to historical documents, but why would anyone get worked up over it. People just like to bitch and moan.

Maynard_JK posted...

The teacher shouldn't be making edits to historical documents, but why would anyone get worked up over it. People just like to bitch and moan.

It's not so much an "edit" as a "translation based on Modern English usage".

See, when the Declaration of Independence was written, "Man" was still commonly used as a gender-neutral term for "humans". That's not exactly the case today.
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I think it's annoying that people get offended by the word "men," when it's meant in a general/rhetorical way. Giving in to PC culture hasn't benefitted us whatsoever. There's a difference between fighting for the right to vote and "ow! Words!"

Is this a big deal? No. But everyone involved is shitty for their own reason.
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Is this a big deal? No. But everyone involved is shitty for their own reason.

Yeah this more or less.
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This is the problem. They are reading into the literal meaning of the word "men" and create problems where there is none.

I have no issue with how she views the world or what her political stance is as long as such personal views are kept out of the professional world. What she's doing isn't any different from indoctrinating her students into following her personal views.

It comes off as subversive and manipulative.
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Alexandra_Trent posted...

This is the problem. They are reading into the literal meaning of the word "men" and create problems where there is none.

SJdubs gonna SJdub... This person probably writes "womyn" as well.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

Alexandra_Trent posted...

This is the problem. They are reading into the literal meaning of the word "men" and create problems where there is none.

SJdubs gonna SJdub... This person probably writes "womyn" as well.

Sigh....it's things like these that give women a bad name.
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Man and mankind are already synonyms of humans or humanity. Changing the wording in this way changes nothing about the intent of the Declaration. However it does remove it from the historical context and denies the progress the country has made in extending rights to all citizens. Further this particular edit panders to the compelled speech movement that is growing in modern times.
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dainkinkaide posted...

See, when the Declaration of Independence was written, "Man" was still commonly used as a gender-neutral term for "humans". That's not exactly the case today.

It still is, tumblrinas don't determine language.
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I think its stupid, and I think the teacher is an idiot, but I am not offended.

I bet if she had a professional sign made with the word “humans” in place of “men”, instead of X-ing out the words, no one would’ve noticed.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

We don't need teachers that doctor excerpts of historical documents in a misleading manner.

What's misleading about using an explicit blanket term instead of an implicit one? If anything, I'd say that's improving the clarity of the sentence, since it relies less on idioms.
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men and human basically mean the same under that context so there is not reason to change it and there is no reason to be triggered if someone changes it

Kyuubi4269 posted...

dainkinkaide posted...

See, when the Declaration of Independence was written, "Man" was still commonly used as a gender-neutral term for "humans". That's not exactly the case today.

It still is, tumblrinas don't determine language.

"Man" as a gender-neutral term has fallen into disfavor in modern usage. It's not something you're going to see a lot of outside of older documents.

The gender-neutral meaning still exists, but it's generally proscribed in favor of terms that are more explicitly gender-neutral. And this is a proscription that's been around for decades.
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DrChocolate posted...

men and human basically mean the same under that context so there is not reason to change it and there is no reason to be triggered if someone changes it

TheCyborgNinja posted...

I think it's annoying that people get offended by the word "men," when it's meant in a general/rhetorical way. Giving in to PC culture hasn't benefitted us whatsoever. There's a difference between fighting for the right to vote and "ow! Words!"

Not understanding context seems to be a more and more common problem in today's world.

She's a teacher...just teach the kids about the historical context regarding how it was worded.

Mover_of_Zigs posted...

She's a teacher...just teach the kids about the historical context regarding how it was worded.

Uh, that's exactly what this did. it shows the original wording and what it is interpreted as. In other words, in one image, it displays the historical context where "man" was commonly used to refer to all humans.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

Is this a big deal? No. But everyone involved is shitty for their own reason.

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Such misleading titles as always. The issue here is a teacher revising history to adhere to modern principles. That is not the way to do it...
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Nichtcrawler X posted...

Such misleading titles as always. The issue here is a teacher revising history to adhere to modern principles. That is not the way to do it...

It's not revising history; it's revising the language used in a historical document to better convey its intended meaning to a modern audience.
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dainkinkaide posted...

Nichtcrawler X posted...

Such misleading titles as always. The issue here is a teacher revising history to adhere to modern principles. That is not the way to do it...

It's not revising history; it's revising the language used in a historical document to better convey its intended meaning to a modern audience.

Which, speaking as a teacher, is totally valid and fair (and, for 4th grade kids to understand, absolutely necessary), but this passive aggressive action is really not the way of doing it:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/22/13/449658A400000578-4909930-image-a-1_1506082616799.jpg
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lmao she looks like the exact sort of person that would do this. She should be fired over that ugly ass hair tbh.
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InfernalFive posted...

lmao she looks like the exact sort of person that would do this. She should be fired over that ugly ass hair tbh.

That's the redneck conservative. Not the teacher.
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Whoops. But yeah everyone involved in this whole thing is shitty.
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Clench281 posted...

Mover_of_Zigs posted...

She's a teacher...just teach the kids about the historical context regarding how it was worded.

Uh, that's exactly what this did. it shows the original wording and what it is interpreted as. In other words, in one image, it displays the historical context where "man" was commonly used to refer to all humans.

True. The original wording is there. As long as she explained things properly, I see no problem.
At the time it was written, women weren't really thought of as their own people, it was more assumed that their rights were lumped in as a subset of their husbands' rights. The original document should absolutely be preserved as-is, but children should also be taught how the context has changed. I can see a 4th grade boy latching onto the word "men," because girls have cooties ;)

I do not agree with changing something like that, as it has stood for generations like that.

That said, I also do not see a huge issue with it.

I will also comment that people are NOT all equal. Everyone is unique and their situation is different.
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Far-Queue posted...

I bet if she had a professional sign made with the word “humans” in place of “men”, instead of X-ing out the words, no one would’ve noticed.

My thoughts. That redneck probably doesn't know the declaration word for word so never would have noticed.
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DrChocolate posted...

men and human basically mean the same under that context so there is not reason to change it and there is no reason to be triggered if someone changes it

Pretty much this.