Current Events > I wish people realized it's being in a position of power and burden of proof

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A combination of both those things is why some cops are getting away with shit.

And burden of proof fucking sucks dick and is one of the worst things in the world to deal with because it means many guilty fucks will get away with murder, rape, or whatever. But it's a necessary evil otherwise innocent people will get jailed at an even higher rate.

Trust me I hate the burden of proof with a passion because one of the few people I ever cared about was chased off a road and nearly died in a car wreck, losing some of her childhood friends in the process. But because they didn't have any evidence on somebody committing a crime no one was even charged. I normally don't wish hell on people but I wish all of hell on whoever was responsible. But technically from a legal standpoinpoint we need solid proof for someone to be charged

Now that's not to say there's no issues with racism among police or the way justice is carried out needs to deserves to be discussed and improved upon but the main focus shouldn't be skin color it's a division tactic by the media and politicians. In the bigger picture a lot of these asshole celebrities and politicians would get away with various crimes, maybe not necessarily murder well unless you're OJ Simpson because they are rich and famous.
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Not to mention citizens are expected to know the law or they have to shell out huge amount of cash to get a lawyer, but cops are under no such obligation.
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St0rmFury posted...

Not to mention citizens are expected to know the law or they have to shell out huge amount of cash to get a lawyer, but cops are under no such obligation.

Cops get that advocacy as part of the job.
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I live in a large family of cops and most of them are leaving the field because of the media and society.

"I hesitate every time I pull my gun out due to fear of the public attacking me for my split-second life or death decision. And I don't want that hesitation to be the cause of my death, I have kids that need their father."

ImPickleRick posted...

I live in a large family of cops and most of them are leaving the field because of the media and society.

"I hesitate every time I pull my gun out due to fear of the public attacking me for my split-second life or death decision. And I don't want that hesitation to be the cause of my death, I have kids that need their father."

And that is certainly a legit concern for cops which doesn't deserve to get ignored or drowned out at all. Which what when we have over a million cops of course there is going to be abuser of power which often will get overblown.

My point was simply that people in power get extra privileges, and while there is correlation between whites being in power, skin color is far from the primary cause of people getting screwed over in the US.
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ImPickleRick posted...

I live in a large family of cops and most of them are leaving the field because of the media and society.

"I hesitate every time I pull my gun out due to fear of the public attacking me for my split-second life or death decision. And I don't want that hesitation to be the cause of my death, I have kids that need their father."

burden of proof

And fundamentally US has problems that we can and should address, but treating people who take pride in the US or the flag/anthem like shit is extremely close minded.

For the size of our country and the history of human hatred in general, we should be worse off than we are.
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ImPickleRick posted...

I hesitate every time I pull my gun out due to fear of the public attacking me for my split-second life or death decision. And I don't want that hesitation to be the cause of my death, I have kids that need their father.

Good. They SHOULD be hesitant to straight up end someone's life.
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Hold on... Are you making an argument against burden of proof? I'm confused. Innocent until proven guilty. If you make a claim, you damn well better have the proof to back it up. Believe me you don't want it the other way around.
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Knowledge_King posted...

ImPickleRick posted...

I hesitate every time I pull my gun out due to fear of the public attacking me for my split-second life or death decision. And I don't want that hesitation to be the cause of my death, I have kids that need their father.

Good. They SHOULD be hesitant to straight up end someone's life.

Word. So many cops I've known love saying "better tried by 12 than carried by 6" and I think that sort of attitude brings a shoot first and plant guns later type results. I think the approach should be how can everyone I deal with today end the day alive and not in a hospital? But that is a lot harder.
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KILBOTz posted...

Word. So many cops I've known love saying "better tried by 12 than carried by 6" and I think that sort of attitude brings a shoot first and plant guns later type results. I think the approach should be how can everyone I deal with today end the day alive and not in a hospital? But that is a lot harder.

thats disturbing to hear that saying. just shows the attitude cops have about the lives of civilians.

mvillanueva88 posted...

Hold on... Are you making an argument against burden of proof? I'm confused. Innocent until proven guilty. If you make a claim, you damn well better have the proof to back it up. Believe me you don't want it the other way around.

Burden of Proof has issues when the proof is being used against people with the ability to manipulate / remove the proof.

We need an independent agency that doesn't do anything except investigate allegations against police officers.
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ImPickleRick posted...

I live in a large family of cops and most of them are leaving the field because of the media and society.

"I hesitate every time I pull my gun out due to fear of the public attacking me for my split-second life or death decision. And I don't want that hesitation to be the cause of my death, I have kids that need their father."

The hesitation should be because he's about to end someone's life, not because he might look bad in the public eye

StrykerX posted...

ImPickleRick posted...

I live in a large family of cops and most of them are leaving the field because of the media and society.

"I hesitate every time I pull my gun out due to fear of the public attacking me for my split-second life or death decision. And I don't want that hesitation to be the cause of my death, I have kids that need their father."

The hesitation should be because he's about to end someone's life, not because he might look bad in the public eye

I'm sure a lot of people cops have killed also had kids that needed their father. Sucks for them, I guess.
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Knowledge_King posted...

ImPickleRick posted...

I hesitate every time I pull my gun out due to fear of the public attacking me for my split-second life or death decision. And I don't want that hesitation to be the cause of my death, I have kids that need their father.

Good. They SHOULD be hesitant to straight up end someone's life.

This. Any cops that leave for this reason are ones we won't miss

Darklit_Minuet posted...

Knowledge_King posted...

ImPickleRick posted...

I hesitate every time I pull my gun out due to fear of the public attacking me for my split-second life or death decision. And I don't want that hesitation to be the cause of my death, I have kids that need their father.

Good. They SHOULD be hesitant to straight up end someone's life.

This. Any cops that leave for this reason are ones we won't miss

Yeah we need to protect those people who aim firearms at cops and innocent civilians or bash cops heads into the ground. Criminals > Cops.