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Full Throttle 09/27/17 9:53:02 PM #1:	Do you think kids should be forced to pledge loyalty to their country everyday at school? Yes No View Results A 1st Grader was FORCED to stand by his teacher after he took a KNEE during the daily "Pledge of Alegiance" at his Florida Elementary School!! The unnamed boy is a student at Wiregrass Elementary School and when he took a knee as his classmates recited the Pledge, his teacher approached and told him to stand by FORCE. The teacher then texted the mother to inform her of what happened and said he intervened because "in the classroom we are learning what it means to be a good citizen" The boy's mother said she never told him to perform the stunt but is outraged that his teacher made him stand and said it wasn't "her right" to do so. The child was inspired by the wave of NFL players and music stars and entertainers who have taken a knee during the National Anthem at public events to protest Trump who has angered them over something so miniscule. The teacher said she was trying to teach students to respect the country and its symbols that said "I just wanted to let you know that this morning when it was time to do the Pledge of Allegiance, your son went down on one knee. I knew where he had seen it but i did tell him that in the classroom we are learning what it means to be a good citizen, we're learninga bout respecting the United States of America and our country symbols and showing loyalty and patriotism and that we stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. I know it's a sensitive issue but i wanted to make you aware. Thanks" The boy's mom was none too pleased and said "She talked to him and she told him right away to stand up and stop it. That's not her right. That is not her right". But the school STOOD by the TEACHER and pointed out that state law dictates that EVERY STUDENT must recite the pledge of allegiance unless they have a note by a parent explaining why they won't and even if they do not take part in the indoctrination, oopsa a poo, i mean pledge, they still must stand. Do you think Kids in School should be forced to pledge loyalty to their country everyday? let's see what people think The Mom - http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/28/00/44CD2E3C00000578-4927420-image-a-31_1506555744203.jpg The District spokeswoman - http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/28/00/44CD2E3800000578-4927420-image-a-32_1506555776817.jpg School - http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/28/00/44CD2E3000000578-4927420-image-a-30_1506555723502.jpg --- call me mrduckbear, sweater monkeys. Everytime a GFAQS User Steps On A Bug, I'll Stop Posting for 24 HOURS I'm an Asian Liberal. RESIST The Alt-Right <cite>Full Throttle posted [p:887418162] in Teacher FO... [t:75821502]...</cite> <quote> Do you think kids should be forced to pledge loyalty to their country everyday at school? Yes No View Results A 1st Grader was FORCED to stand by his teacher after he took a KNEE during the daily "Pledge of Alegiance" at his Florida Elementary School!! The unnamed boy is a student at Wiregrass Elementary School and when he took a knee as his classmates recited the Pledge, his teacher approached and told him to stand by FORCE. The teacher then texted the mother to inform her of what happened and said he intervened because "in the classroom we are learning what it means to be a good citizen" The boy's mother said she never told him to perform the stunt but is outraged that his teacher made him stand and said it wasn't "her right" to do so. The child was inspired by the wave of NFL players and music stars and entertainers who have taken a knee during the National Anthem at public events to protest Trump who has angered them over something so miniscule. The teacher said she was trying to teach students to respect the country and its symbols that said "I just wanted to let you know that this morning when it was time to do the Pledge of Allegiance, your son went down on one knee. I knew where he had seen it but i did tell him that in the classroom we are learning what it means to be a good citizen, we're learninga bout respecting the United States of America and our country symbols and showing loyalty and patriotism and that we stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. I know it's a sensitive issue but i wanted to make you aware. Thanks" The boy's mom was none too pleased and said "She talked to him and she told him right away to stand up and stop it. That's not her right. That is not her right". But the school STOOD by the TEACHER and pointed out that state law dictates that EVERY STUDENT must recite the pledge of allegiance unless they have a note by a parent explaining why they won't and even if they do not take part in the indoctrination, oopsa a poo, i mean pledge, they still must stand. Do you think Kids in School should be forced to pledge loyalty to their country everyday? let's see what people think The Mom - http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/28/00/44CD2E3C00000578-4927420-image-a-31_1506555744203.jpg The District spokeswoman - http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/28/00/44CD2E3800000578-4927420-image-a-32_1506555776817.jpg School - http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/28/00/44CD2E3000000578-4927420-image-a-30_1506555723502.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 09/27/17 9:53:46 PM #2:	Pledge of Allegiance is a religious institution and therefor illegal to promote in schools. --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:887418208] in Teacher FO... [t:75821502]...</cite> <quote>Pledge of Allegiance is a religious institution and therefor illegal to promote in schools.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheWorstPoster 09/27/17 9:54:01 PM #3:	You'd rather them partake in mandatory flag burnings instead? <cite>TheWorstPoster posted [p:887418219] in Teacher FO... [t:75821502]...</cite> <quote>You'd rather them partake in mandatory flag burnings instead?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 09/27/17 10:04:00 PM #4:	Full Throttle posted... Do you think kids should be forced to pledge loyalty to their country everyday at school? Not sure if other countries do it other than USA but we don't do that over here in the UK so my view is no as I don't see the point in being patriotic least of all forcing it on people. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - http://i.imgur.com/kDysIcd.gif <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:887418751] in Teacher FO... [t:75821502]...</cite> <quote><cite>Full Throttle posted...</cite> <quote>Do you think kids should be forced to pledge loyalty to their country everyday at school?</quote> Not sure if other countries do it other than USA but we don't do that over here in the UK so my view is no as I don't see the point in being patriotic least of all forcing it on people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aquamew 09/27/17 10:15:28 PM #5:	Imagine how great our country, and the entire world, would truly be if "being a good citizen" was really as easy as mindlessly partaking in the worship ceremony of a piece of cloth for no reason other than the teacher told you to. Then all the adults who do it for reasons they themselves actually understand would also be good citizens. Alas, this is not the case. <cite>Aquamew posted [p:887419336] in Teacher FO... [t:75821502]...</cite> <quote>Imagine how great our country, and the entire world, would truly be if "being a good citizen" was really as easy as mindlessly partaking in the worship ceremony of a piece of cloth for no reason other than the teacher told you to. Then all the adults who do it for reasons they themselves actually understand would also be good citizens. Alas, this is not the case.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bagamak 09/28/17 12:19:48 AM #6:	wtf at a 6 year old taking a knee. that it so stupid. either sit or stand. you don't need to do something so weird. someone taught the kid to do that. and the kid doesn't even understand what the taking the knee is about. he's 6. <cite>Bagamak posted [p:887425751] in Teacher FO... [t:75821502]...</cite> <quote>wtf at a 6 year old taking a knee. that it so stupid. either sit or stand. you don't need to do something so weird. someone taught the kid to do that. and the kid doesn't even understand what the taking the knee is about. he's 6.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 09/28/17 12:25:42 AM #7:	In a word? Good. These are public schools. You can't just decide to do whatever the fuck you want. And, in general, half the function of schools is to instill order and obedience. Full Throttle posted... The Mom - http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/28/00/44CD2E3C00000578-4927420-image-a-31_1506555744203.jpg ie, a terrible parent. Lokarin posted... Pledge of Allegiance is a religious institution and therefor illegal to promote in schools. Were it actually illegal, it wouldn't be done. Aquamew posted... Imagine how great our country, and the entire world, would truly be if "being a good citizen" was really as easy as mindlessly partaking in the worship ceremony of a piece of cloth for no reason other than the teacher told you to. Then all the adults who do it for reasons they themselves actually understand would also be good citizens. Alas, this is not the case. Given that nobody claimed that the was the sole thing required, it seems like you're starting from a flawed premise. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:887426001] in Teacher FO... [t:75821502]...</cite> <quote>In a word? Good. These are public schools. You can't just decide to do whatever the fuck you want. And, in general, half the function of schools is to instill order and obedience. <cite>Full Throttle posted...</cite> <quote>The Mom - http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/28/00/44CD2E3C00000578-4927420-image-a-31_1506555744203.jpg</quote> ie, a terrible parent. <cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote>Pledge of Allegiance is a religious institution and therefor illegal to promote in schools.</quote> Were it actually illegal, it wouldn't be done. <cite>Aquamew posted...</cite> <quote>Imagine how great our country, and the entire world, would truly be if "being a good citizen" was really as easy as mindlessly partaking in the worship ceremony of a piece of cloth for no reason other than the teacher told you to. Then all the adults who do it for reasons they themselves actually understand would also be good citizens. Alas, this is not the case.</quote> Given that nobody claimed that the was the sole thing required, it seems like you're starting from a flawed premise.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Golden Road 09/28/17 12:26:05 AM #8:	It seems like separation of church and state would be enough to make the pledge being required illegal, at least in the pledge's current form. Bagamak posted... wtf at a 6 year old taking a knee. that it so stupid. either sit or stand. you don't need to do something so weird. someone taught the kid to do that. and the kid doesn't even understand what the taking the knee is about. he's 6. 6 years old is old enough to understand "black people are being unfairly killed." They don't need to understand all the nuance to understand that much. --- Who's your favorite character from "Bend It Like Beckham"? And you can't say Beckham. <cite>Golden Road posted [p:887426012] in Teacher FO... [t:75821502]...</cite> <quote>It seems like separation of church and state would be enough to make the pledge being required illegal, at least in the pledge's current form. <cite>Bagamak posted...</cite> <quote>wtf at a 6 year old taking a knee. that it so stupid. either sit or stand. you don't need to do something so weird. someone taught the kid to do that. and the kid doesn't even understand what the taking the knee is about. he's 6.</quote> 6 years old is old enough to understand "black people are being unfairly killed." They don't need to understand all the nuance to understand that much.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Syntheticon 09/28/17 12:30:13 AM #9:	lol murricans. --- Mod me? You don't even know me! <cite>Syntheticon posted [p:887426175] in Teacher FO... [t:75821502]...</cite> <quote>lol murricans.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cruddy_horse 09/28/17 12:33:29 AM #10:	This kid doesn't fully understand why people are taking a knee during the pledge so he shouldn't be kneeling. Another thing if kids weren't made to say the pledge then none of them would do it, because they're kids and will always want to do something other than what an adult tells them, that's partly why they're in school and reciting the pledge teaches them them obedience. --- equo ne credite! <cite>Cruddy_horse posted [p:887426294] in Teacher FO... [t:75821502]...</cite> <quote>This kid doesn't fully understand why people are taking a knee during the pledge so he shouldn't be kneeling. Another thing if kids weren't made to say the pledge then none of them would do it, because they're kids and will always want to do something other than what an adult tells them, that's partly why they're in school and reciting the pledge teaches them them obedience.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HelIWithoutSin 09/28/17 12:33:41 AM #11:	Golden Road posted... It seems like separation of church and state would be enough to make the pledge being required illegal, at least in the pledge's current form. It already is illegal to make it a requirement in any form. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_State_Board_of_Education_v._Barnette --- And when Alexander saw the breadth of his domain, he wept, for there were no more worlds to conquer. -Hans Gruber <cite>HelIWithoutSin posted [p:887426306] in Teacher FO... [t:75821502]...</cite> <quote><cite>Golden Road posted...</cite> <quote>It seems like separation of church and state would be enough to make the pledge being required illegal, at least in the pledge's current form.</quote> It already is illegal to make it a requirement in any form. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_State_Board_of_Education_v._Barnette</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
vhiran 09/28/17 12:35:57 AM #12:	50 bucks says his dad told him to kneel and make a show of it to piss the teacher off just so they can sue the school. like 'clock boy' lawyer dad who made his son into a liar in an attempt to cash in. --- inventor of the CHILL raid run. <cite>vhiran posted [p:887426395] in Teacher FO... [t:75821502]...</cite> <quote>50 bucks says his dad told him to kneel and make a show of it to piss the teacher off just so they can sue the school. like 'clock boy' lawyer dad who made his son into a liar in an attempt to cash in.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bagamak 09/28/17 12:49:19 AM #13:	Golden Road posted... 6 years old is old enough to understand "black people are being unfairly killed. I actually don't think it is. when I was 6 I didn't even know that death existed. and I didn't know about politics or race relations or anything in the news. if it didn't happen in a video game or a cartoon, or in front of my face, I didn't know about it <cite>Bagamak posted [p:887426935] in Teacher FO... [t:75821502]...</cite> <quote><cite>Golden Road posted...</cite> <quote>6 years old is old enough to understand "black people are being unfairly killed.</quote> I actually don't think it is. when I was 6 I didn't even know that death existed. and I didn't know about politics or race relations or anything in the news. if it didn't happen in a video game or a cartoon, or in front of my face, I didn't know about it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
knivesX2004 09/28/17 12:51:26 AM #14:	I remember back when I was in school they never forced anybody to say the pledge because the pledge is kind of stupid in the first place. <cite>knivesX2004 posted [p:887427019] in Teacher FO... [t:75821502]...</cite> <quote>I remember back when I was in school they never forced anybody to say the pledge because the pledge is kind of stupid in the first place.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Golden Road 09/28/17 12:53:38 AM #15:	Bagamak posted... Golden Road posted... 6 years old is old enough to understand "black people are being unfairly killed. I actually don't think it is. when I was 6 I didn't even know that death existed. and I didn't know about politics or race relations or anything in the news. if it didn't happen in a video game or a cartoon, or in front of my face, I didn't know about it 6 years old is is old enough to know what death is, and old enough to notice that not everyone looks the same. I understood both of those at 6. Or maybe I was just a genius and didn't know it XD --- Who's your favorite character from "Bend It Like Beckham"? And you can't say Beckham. <cite>Golden Road posted [p:887427107] in Teacher FO... [t:75821502]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bagamak posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Golden Road posted...</cite> <quote>6 years old is old enough to understand "black people are being unfairly killed.</quote> I actually don't think it is. when I was 6 I didn't even know that death existed. and I didn't know about politics or race relations or anything in the news. if it didn't happen in a video game or a cartoon, or in front of my face, I didn't know about it</quote> 6 years old is is old enough to know what death is, and old enough to notice that not everyone looks the same. I understood both of those at 6. Or maybe I was just a genius and didn't know it XD</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bagamak 09/28/17 12:54:52 AM #16:	knivesX2004 posted... I remember back when I was in school they never forced anybody to say the pledge because the pledge is kind of stupid in the first place. it probably varies by school district on how they deal with this. I don't remember anyone ever getting in trouble over this either. I think I always stood cause that was just the normal thing, and I didn't care. but I think I remember some people sitting and nobody ever gave a fuck. every community is different. it sounds like this florida school is really conservative and patriotic and strict <cite>Bagamak posted [p:887427146] in Teacher FO... [t:75821502]...</cite> <quote><cite>knivesX2004 posted...</cite> <quote>I remember back when I was in school they never forced anybody to say the pledge because the pledge is kind of stupid in the first place.</quote> it probably varies by school district on how they deal with this. I don't remember anyone ever getting in trouble over this either. I think I always stood cause that was just the normal thing, and I didn't care. but I think I remember some people sitting and nobody ever gave a fuck. every community is different. it sounds like this florida school is really conservative and patriotic and strict</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bagamak 09/28/17 12:59:08 AM #17:	Golden Road posted... 6 years old is is old enough to know what death is, and old enough to notice that not everyone looks the same. I understood both of those at 6. Or maybe I was just a genius and didn't know it XD I knew not everyone looked the same. that doesn't mean you have to know about racism. when I was a kid, I didn't know some people hated other races. I didn't hate them and it never occurred to me that others would or why they would. maybe kids today are just less sheltered. I didn't really know bad things happened in the world until I was like 9 maybe. I think 9 is the first time I ever remember being aware of something bad happening in the world. and even then I don't think I ever thought about racism. the bad thing that happened was a war but I didn't associate it with race conflicts. I finally first started realizing and knowing about racism when I was in jr high maybe. <cite>Bagamak posted [p:887427334] in Teacher FO... [t:75821502]...</cite> <quote><cite>Golden Road posted...</cite> <quote>6 years old is is old enough to know what death is, and old enough to notice that not everyone looks the same. I understood both of those at 6. Or maybe I was just a genius and didn't know it XD</quote> I knew not everyone looked the same. that doesn't mean you have to know about racism. when I was a kid, I didn't know some people hated other races. I didn't hate them and it never occurred to me that others would or why they would. maybe kids today are just less sheltered. I didn't really know bad things happened in the world until I was like 9 maybe. I think 9 is the first time I ever remember being aware of something bad happening in the world. and even then I don't think I ever thought about racism. the bad thing that happened was a war but I didn't associate it with race conflicts. I finally first started realizing and knowing about racism when I was in jr high maybe.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheCyborgNinja 09/28/17 1:00:07 AM #18:	6-year-olds can't truly understand either thing, so both are stupid. --- "message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888 <cite>TheCyborgNinja posted [p:887427378] in Teacher FO... [t:75821502]...</cite> <quote>6-year-olds can't truly understand either thing, so both are stupid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bagamak 09/28/17 1:04:13 AM #19:	the kneeling isn't even about racism. The original kneeling that that kapernick whatever guy did was in protest of cop shootings. barely anyone paid attention to him or supported him. now everyone is doing it just cause Trump trolled the NFL. these kneelings are just a reaction to Trump and them defying him. it's not about cop shootings it's about giving Trump the middle finger. and the kid doesn't even know any of this stuff. he just wants to be like his football players on tv. he has no idea the meaning or lack of meaning because the kneeling. <cite>Bagamak posted [p:887427522] in Teacher FO... [t:75821502]...</cite> <quote>the kneeling isn't even about racism. The original kneeling that that kapernick whatever guy did was in protest of cop shootings. barely anyone paid attention to him or supported him. now everyone is doing it just cause Trump trolled the NFL. these kneelings are just a reaction to Trump and them defying him. it's not about cop shootings it's about giving Trump the middle finger. and the kid doesn't even know any of this stuff. he just wants to be like his football players on tv. he has no idea the meaning or lack of meaning because the kneeling.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trevor_Belmont 09/28/17 1:09:49 AM #20:	It seems to me that since the kid is 6 he just saw someone on TV taking a "KNEE" and decided to intimate it, he probably didn't even now why people were doing just that he thought it looked cool or something. --- Switch FC: SW-3150-0817-3331 Feel free to send an invite if you want. <cite>Trevor_Belmont posted [p:887427753] in Teacher FO... [t:75821502]...</cite> <quote>It seems to me that since the kid is 6 he just saw someone on TV taking a "KNEE" and decided to intimate it, he probably didn't even now why people were doing just that he thought it looked cool or something.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Golden Road 09/28/17 1:11:29 AM #21:	TheCyborgNinja posted... 6-year-olds can't truly understand either thing, so both are stupid. Yes they can. Maybe not all can, but some definitely can. --- Who's your favorite character from "Bend It Like Beckham"? And you can't say Beckham. <cite>Golden Road posted [p:887427815] in Teacher FO... [t:75821502]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheCyborgNinja posted...</cite> <quote>6-year-olds can't truly understand either thing, so both are stupid.</quote> Yes they can. Maybe not all can, but some definitely can.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
faramir77 09/28/17 4:54:22 AM #22:	Full Throttle posted... The boy's mother said she never told him to perform the stunt Right. I don't know why Americans care so much about this. We play our national anthem every morning and stand in silence towards the flag out of respect for what we have. My nation is far from perfect, but I'd rather be here than literally any other country in the world. Taking a knee is a pretty passive way of showing that you are very upset with the imperfections of your nation, but causing such a large outrage about it, so much that even I am hearing about it in another country, is downright absurd. --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiCtAUrZbUk -- Defeating the Running Man of Ocarina of Time in a race since 01/17/2009. -- <cite>faramir77 posted [p:887434261] in Teacher FO... [t:75821502]...</cite> <quote><cite>Full Throttle posted...</cite> <quote>The boy's mother said she never told him to perform the stunt</quote> Right. I don't know why Americans care so much about this. We play our national anthem every morning and stand in silence towards the flag out of respect for what we have. My nation is far from perfect, but I'd rather be here than literally any other country in the world. Taking a knee is a pretty passive way of showing that you are very upset with the imperfections of your nation, but causing such a large outrage about it, so much that even I am hearing about it in another country, is downright absurd.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nichtcrawler X 09/28/17 5:47:59 AM #23:	Full Throttle posted... The teacher said she was trying to teach students to respect the country and its symbols that said "I just wanted to let you know that this morning when it was time to do the Pledge of Allegiance, your son went down on one knee. I knew where he had seen it but i did tell him that in the classroom we are learning what it means to be a good citizen, we're learninga bout respecting the United States of America and our country symbols and showing loyalty and patriotism and that we stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. I know it's a sensitive issue but i wanted to make you aware. Thanks" Forcing respect only has the opposite of the intended effect. --- Official Teetotaller of PotD Dovie'andi se tovya sagain! <cite>Nichtcrawler X posted [p:887435346] in Teacher FO... [t:75821502]...</cite> <quote><cite>Full Throttle posted...</cite> <quote> The teacher said she was trying to teach students to respect the country and its symbols that said "I just wanted to let you know that this morning when it was time to do the Pledge of Allegiance, your son went down on one knee. I knew where he had seen it but i did tell him that in the classroom we are learning what it means to be a good citizen, we're learninga bout respecting the United States of America and our country symbols and showing loyalty and patriotism and that we stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. I know it's a sensitive issue but i wanted to make you aware. Thanks"</quote> Forcing respect only has the opposite of the intended effect.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alexandra_Trent 09/28/17 9:17:23 AM #24:	faramir77 posted... Full Throttle posted... The boy's mother said she never told him to perform the stunt Right. I don't know why Americans care so much about this. We play our national anthem every morning and stand in silence towards the flag out of respect for what we have. My nation is far from perfect, but I'd rather be here than literally any other country in the world. Taking a knee is a pretty passive way of showing that you are very upset with the imperfections of your nation, but causing such a large outrage about it, so much that even I am hearing about it in another country, is downright absurd. This. The anthem and flag represent the country as a whole. Today, its citizens have rights, a good economy, jobs and basically all their necessities are met. No country is perfect but paying respect to the national anthem is a silent validation and appreciation of the sacrifices of those who fought and died so that the people may live in peace and have a chance to chase and acheive their dreams. They represent everything GOOD in that country and remember its struggles for independence and freedom. Paying respect for its symbolism isn't a lot of effort and it doesn't have to be a political statement. It is more of a silent thank you and appreciation that you are where you are and have the life you have. There aren't many countries that grant freedoms of protest or speech. They should at least respect that. Other countries aren't so lucky. --- "Ladies don't start fights, but they can finish them." -Marie, Aristocats <cite>Alexandra_Trent posted [p:887440714] in Teacher FO... [t:75821502]...</cite> <quote><cite>faramir77 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Full Throttle posted...</cite> <quote>The boy's mother said she never told him to perform the stunt</quote> Right. I don't know why Americans care so much about this. We play our national anthem every morning and stand in silence towards the flag out of respect for what we have. My nation is far from perfect, but I'd rather be here than literally any other country in the world. Taking a knee is a pretty passive way of showing that you are very upset with the imperfections of your nation, but causing such a large outrage about it, so much that even I am hearing about it in another country, is downright absurd.</quote> This. The anthem and flag represent the country as a whole. Today, its citizens have rights, a good economy, jobs and basically all their necessities are met. No country is perfect but paying respect to the national anthem is a silent validation and appreciation of the sacrifices of those who fought and died so that the people may live in peace and have a chance to chase and acheive their dreams. They represent everything GOOD in that country and remember its struggles for independence and freedom. Paying respect for its symbolism isn't a lot of effort and it doesn't have to be a political statement. It is more of a silent thank you and appreciation that you are where you are and have the life you have. There aren't many countries that grant freedoms of protest or speech. They should at least respect that. Other countries aren't so lucky.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LaLiLuLeLoSnake 09/28/17 9:19:06 AM #25:	Yes, absolutely. --- Xbox Live: Allenbih PSN: Livadic <cite>LaLiLuLeLoSnake posted [p:887440774] in Teacher FO... [t:75821502]...</cite> <quote>Yes, absolutely.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PKMNsony 09/28/17 9:46:47 AM #26:	Aquamew posted... Imagine how great our country, and the entire world, would truly be if "being a good citizen" was really as easy as mindlessly partaking in the worship ceremony of a piece of cloth for no reason other than the teacher told you to. Then all the adults who do it for reasons they themselves actually understand would also be good citizens. Alas, this is not the case. Exactly what I was thinking. The pledge just trains kids to be good little sheep. What the teacher should have done was have a discussion afterwards with the class about why he took the knee and what the pledge is all about. <cite>PKMNsony posted [p:887441819] in Teacher FO... [t:75821502]...</cite> <quote><cite>Aquamew posted...</cite> <quote>Imagine how great our country, and the entire world, would truly be if "being a good citizen" was really as easy as mindlessly partaking in the worship ceremony of a piece of cloth for no reason other than the teacher told you to. Then all the adults who do it for reasons they themselves actually understand would also be good citizens. Alas, this is not the case.</quote> Exactly what I was thinking. The pledge just trains kids to be good little sheep. What the teacher should have done was have a discussion afterwards with the class about why he took the knee and what the pledge is all about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 09/28/17 10:11:51 AM #27:	Full Throttle posted... told him to stand by FORCE. Umm... --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:887442843] in Teacher FO... [t:75821502]...</cite> <quote><cite>Full Throttle posted...</cite> <quote>told him to stand by FORCE.</quote> Umm...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TyVulpine 09/28/17 10:33:23 AM #28:	Bagamak posted... Golden Road posted... 6 years old is old enough to understand "black people are being unfairly killed. I actually don't think it is. when I was 6 I didn't even know that death existed. and I didn't know about politics or race relations or anything in the news. if it didn't happen in a video game or a cartoon, or in front of my face, I didn't know about it I knew, having attended my great-grandfather's funeral at 4 or 5 and my younger brother's funeral at 5 (he only lived for 11 days due to irreparable bleeding internally when he was born) --- Fall down, go boom... Life is like a box of chocolates. Most of it is crap. <cite>TyVulpine posted [p:887443743] in Teacher FO... [t:75821502]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bagamak posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Golden Road posted...</cite> <quote>6 years old is old enough to understand "black people are being unfairly killed.</quote> I actually don't think it is. when I was 6 I didn't even know that death existed. and I didn't know about politics or race relations or anything in the news. if it didn't happen in a video game or a cartoon, or in front of my face, I didn't know about it</quote> I knew, having attended my great-grandfather's funeral at 4 or 5 and my younger brother's funeral at 5 (he only lived for 11 days due to irreparable bleeding internally when he was born)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bagamak 09/28/17 12:37:20 PM #30:	TyVulpine posted... I knew, having attended my great-grandfather's funeral at 4 or 5 and my younger brother's funeral at 5 (he only lived for 11 days due to irreparable bleeding internally when he was born) yea well most people don't go to funerals that young. just cause it happened to you doesn't mean it's like that for everyone. your average 5 year old doesn't know about death <cite>Bagamak posted [p:887449903] in Teacher FO... [t:75821502]...</cite> <quote><cite>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>I knew, having attended my great-grandfather's funeral at 4 or 5 and my younger brother's funeral at 5 (he only lived for 11 days due to irreparable bleeding internally when he was born)</quote> yea well most people don't go to funerals that young. just cause it happened to you doesn't mean it's like that for everyone. your average 5 year old doesn't know about death</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Golden Road 09/28/17 1:33:08 PM #31:	Bagamak posted... yea well most people don't go to funerals that young. just cause it happened to you doesn't mean it's like that for everyone. your average 5 year old doesn't know about death "Since I didn't know what death was at 5, no one else did, either." --- Who's your favorite character from "Bend It Like Beckham"? And you can't say Beckham. <cite>Golden Road posted [p:887453119] in Teacher FO... [t:75821502]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bagamak posted...</cite> <quote>yea well most people don't go to funerals that young. just cause it happened to you doesn't mean it's like that for everyone. your average 5 year old doesn't know about death</quote> "Since I didn't know what death was at 5, no one else did, either."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bagamak 09/28/17 1:49:36 PM #32:	Golden Road posted... "Since I didn't know what death was at 5, no one else did, either." your saying that everyone knows what death is because that poster did. your being a hypocrite <cite>Bagamak posted [p:887453982] in Teacher FO... [t:75821502]...</cite> <quote><cite>Golden Road posted...</cite> <quote>"Since I didn't know what death was at 5, no one else did, either."</quote> your saying that everyone knows what death is because that poster did. your being a hypocrite</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bagamak 09/28/17 1:50:26 PM #33:	"since he knew knew what death was at 5, everyone else does" see I can do it too <cite>Bagamak posted [p:887454028] in Teacher FO... [t:75821502]...</cite> <quote>"since he knew knew what death was at 5, everyone else does" see I can do it too</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
green dragon 09/28/17 2:01:03 PM #34:	Alexandra_Trent posted... There aren't many countries that grant freedoms of protest or speech. They should at least respect that. Is that kinda a contradictory statement? The people that kneel are respecting their freedom of speech/protest by kneeling. <cite>green dragon posted [p:887454580] in Teacher FO... [t:75821502]...</cite> <quote><cite>Alexandra_Trent posted...</cite> <quote>There aren't many countries that grant freedoms of protest or speech. They should at least respect that.</quote> Is that kinda a contradictory statement? The people that kneel are respecting their freedom of speech/protest by kneeling.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Golden Road 09/28/17 2:37:37 PM #35:	Bagamak posted... Golden Road posted... "Since I didn't know what death was at 5, no one else did, either." your saying that everyone knows what death is because that poster did. your being a hypocrite I never said that. I never said all 6 year olds understand what death is. You're the one who believes it's too young to know. --- Who's your favorite character from "Bend It Like Beckham"? And you can't say Beckham. <cite>Golden Road posted [p:887456592] in Teacher FO... [t:75821502]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bagamak posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Golden Road posted...</cite> <quote>"Since I didn't know what death was at 5, no one else did, either."</quote> your saying that everyone knows what death is because that poster did. your being a hypocrite</quote> I never said that. I never said all 6 year olds understand what death is. You're the one who believes it's too young to know.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bagamak 09/28/17 4:33:56 PM #36:	Golden Road posted... I never said that. I never said all 6 year olds understand what death is. You're the one who believes it's too young to know. I never said all 6 year olds don't know what death is either. I said most don't. we are making the same claims on opposite sides and pointing to the same thing as evidence. thus why I call you a hypocrite. you just agree with one side so you think it's ok but when I do the same thing on the opposite side, you condemn me <cite>Bagamak posted [p:887462818] in Teacher FO... [t:75821502]...</cite> <quote><cite>Golden Road posted...</cite> <quote>I never said that. I never said all 6 year olds understand what death is. You're the one who believes it's too young to know.</quote> I never said all 6 year olds don't know what death is either. I said most don't. we are making the same claims on opposite sides and pointing to the same thing as evidence. thus why I call you a hypocrite. you just agree with one side so you think it's ok but when I do the same thing on the opposite side, you condemn me</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Golden Road 09/28/17 4:50:02 PM #37:	Bagamak posted... Golden Road posted... I never said that. I never said all 6 year olds understand what death is. You're the one who believes it's too young to know. I never said all 6 year olds don't know what death is either. Bagamak posted... Golden Road posted... 6 years old is old enough to understand "black people are being unfairly killed. I actually don't think it is. Bagamak posted... I actually don't think it is. Bagamak posted... I actually don't think it is. You said it. --- Who's your favorite character from "Bend It Like Beckham"? And you can't say Beckham. <cite>Golden Road posted [p:887463653] in Teacher FO... [t:75821502]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bagamak posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Golden Road posted...</cite> <quote>I never said that. I never said all 6 year olds understand what death is. You're the one who believes it's too young to know.</quote> I never said all 6 year olds don't know what death is either.</quote> <cite>Bagamak posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Golden Road posted...</cite> <quote>6 years old is old enough to understand "black people are being unfairly killed.</quote> I actually don't think it is.</quote> <cite>Bagamak posted...</cite> <quote>I actually don't think it is.</quote> <cite>Bagamak posted...</cite> <quote>I actually don't think it is.</quote> You said it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheOrangeMisfit 09/28/17 4:56:14 PM #38:	Golden Road posted... It seems like separation of church and state would be enough to make the pledge being required illegal, at least in the pledge's current form. Bagamak posted... wtf at a 6 year old taking a knee. that it so stupid. either sit or stand. you don't need to do something so weird. someone taught the kid to do that. and the kid doesn't even understand what the taking the knee is about. he's 6. 6 years old is old enough to understand "black people are being unfairly killed." They don't need to understand all the nuance to understand that much. You're right, because the people who believe that have a very distorted view of reality, much like a year old would. --- https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Ik55J7RKO_d9U_9RIrYUQ <cite>TheOrangeMisfit posted [p:887464000] in Teacher FO... [t:75821502]...</cite> <quote><cite>Golden Road posted...</cite> <quote>It seems like separation of church and state would be enough to make the pledge being required illegal, at least in the pledge's current form. <cite>Bagamak posted...</cite> <quote>wtf at a 6 year old taking a knee. that it so stupid. either sit or stand. you don't need to do something so weird. someone taught the kid to do that. and the kid doesn't even understand what the taking the knee is about. he's 6.</quote> 6 years old is old enough to understand "black people are being unfairly killed." They don't need to understand all the nuance to understand that much.</quote> You're right, because the people who believe that have a very distorted view of reality, much like a year old would.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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