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FLUFFYGERM
09/27/17 11:51:56 PM
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KINDERFELD posted...
I'm so happy that I'm gay and don't have to deal with those creatures on a personal level with their lack of logic


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gamepimp12
09/27/17 11:55:35 PM
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I like how the argument Isnt that she's wrong but that she shouldn't have said that.
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BlkPopeIseem
09/27/17 11:57:11 PM
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KarmaMuffin posted...
It's not full-blown consent. If I threaten you and you pull out your wallet to me, I didn't take it from you.
That's what the issue was. He was implying that the money and power he had made the women feel obligated to let him touch them, the same way me with my gun makes you feel obligated to give me your wallet.

Money and a gun are no where near the same thing. What the fuck on you on??
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Cleo_II
09/27/17 11:59:16 PM
#54:


anth0ny posted...
Cleo_II posted...
I hate Trump. But I was relieved she wasn't elected.

Cleo!! Noooooo!!! D:


anth0ny posted...
And I tried liked you, Cleo!


It's cool. I don't form opinions to be liked :)
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Drasilor
09/28/17 12:02:59 AM
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What voice? Are women slaves or something?
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HippopotamusRex
09/28/17 12:02:59 AM
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FrisbeeDude posted...
Kineth posted...
ClunkerSlim posted...
Michelle Obama: Women who didnt vote for Clinton voted against their own voice

She ain't wrong


Curious where this 'isn't wrong' fad came from. It sounds like such a snide and annoying way of saying correct. Just come out and say 'right' rather than saying 'not wrong.'
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LinkAndEpona
09/28/17 12:03:54 AM
#57:


Milkman5 posted...
You could say the same about white people who vote left


Lmao, true.
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KarmaMuffin
09/28/17 12:04:07 AM
#58:


BlkPopeIseem posted...
Money and a gun are no where near the same thing. What the fuck on you on??

The comparison works though.

Trump is implying that the only reason these women let him do those things are because he's rich, famous, and has power. They wouldn't let him do those things if they weren't afraid of possible retaliation.
That is the same thing with me mugging you. You're afraid of me retaliating against you.

The point is that consent is not a Y/N question, that it is grey and that a person cannot consent when under duress.

Or if you'd prefer, we don't need to use analogies and we can examine reality: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/13/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html
His perception of what "they let you do" may be different than the woman's. For instance, a woman has already come forward saying Donald Trump did this without her consent. This is sexual assault. There simply a disconnect between Donald's perception of reality, and how things actually are.

Also, consent is given before the act. If Trump puts on his hand on a woman's genitals (and he's usually in a position of power w/r/t the woman he's groping) and she, out of fear of rejection and possible financial loss, doesn't ask him to stuff his hand up a cow's ass then it's because it's not a level playing field.
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anth0ny
09/28/17 12:04:52 AM
#59:


Cleo_II posted...
anth0ny posted...
Cleo_II posted...
I hate Trump. But I was relieved she wasn't elected.

Cleo!! Noooooo!!! D:


anth0ny posted...
And I tried liked you, Cleo!


It's cool. I don't form opinions to be liked :)

What do you form opinions for Then ;p
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anth0ny
09/28/17 12:05:31 AM
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Because, I, for one, form an opinion for me to like
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prince_leo
09/28/17 12:06:24 AM
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I don't think she's wrong, but I don't think it matters to some women. as in, people across the political spectrum vote against their own best interests for other reasons. I made good money, but I support higher taxes. we could get deep into whether or not society having more would result in a better life for me, but I think an extra couple grand a year would be most immediately helpful
crappy example, admittedly, but i'm just saying that women who voted for Trump may not care about these things because other things are more important to them
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BlkPopeIseem
09/28/17 12:11:39 AM
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KarmaMuffin posted...
BlkPopeIseem posted...
Money and a gun are no where near the same thing. What the fuck on you on??

The comparison works though.

Trump is implying that the only reason these women let him do those things are because he's rich, famous, and has power. They wouldn't let him do those things if they weren't afraid of possible retaliation.
That is the same thing with me mugging you. You're afraid of me retaliating against you.

The point is that consent is not a Y/N question, that it is grey and that a person cannot consent when under duress.

Or if you'd prefer, we don't need to use analogies and we can examine reality: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/13/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html
His perception of what "they let you do" may be different than the woman's. For instance, a woman has already come forward saying Donald Trump did this without her consent. This is sexual assault. There simply a disconnect between Donald's perception of reality, and how things actually are.

Also, consent is given before the act. If Trump puts on his hand on a woman's genitals (and he's usually in a position of power w/r/t the woman he's groping) and she, out of fear of rejection and possible financial loss, doesn't ask him to stuff his hand up a cow's ass then it's because it's not a level playing field.

Having money does not automatically make someone a threat. In the context of retaliation, i.e. threatening behavior/communication, the analogy works. But there isn't so it's moot. Position of power is delving into another subject that's not what happened here.
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iPhone_7
09/28/17 12:12:11 AM
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I understanding criticizing her comments but the level of hate and bitterness in this topic is amazing.
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EternalDivide
09/28/17 12:25:03 AM
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voldothegr8 posted...
Bagamak posted...
I've never like Michelle Obama. Pretty much everytime she opens her mouth she says something idiotic

Or makes school lunch fucking disgusting while her kids eat like royalty.

These.

Remember when she first got in there and the media was trying to push so damn hard the idea that she and her Wal-Mart style clothes made her the most stylish woman in the white house since Jackie. "She's beautiful, so graceful, so eloquent." Uh, no. Just no. Not in any version of reality did that woman exist in the same galaxy as Jackie or most all the other first ladies. So seeing an actual supermodel being first lady now amuses me to no end. It must piss off that woman so bad. She always came off as thinking she was just so much better than everyone. Knew what's best for everyone (as the topic again shows) like every leftist. It must have made her madder than a wet cat having to stand next to Melania on inauguration day and face actual model class looks.
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legendary_zell
09/28/17 1:32:04 AM
#65:


EternalDivide posted...
voldothegr8 posted...
Bagamak posted...
I've never like Michelle Obama. Pretty much everytime she opens her mouth she says something idiotic

Or makes school lunch fucking disgusting while her kids eat like royalty.

These.

Remember when she first got in there and the media was trying to push so damn hard the idea that she and her Wal-Mart style clothes made her the most stylish woman in the white house since Jackie. "She's beautiful, so graceful, so eloquent." Uh, no. Just no. Not in any version of reality did that woman exist in the same galaxy as Jackie or most all the other first ladies. So seeing an actual supermodel being first lady now amuses me to no end. It must piss off that woman so bad. She always came off as thinking she was just so much better than everyone. Knew what's best for everyone (as the topic again shows) like every leftist. It must have made her madder than a wet cat having to stand next to Melania on inauguration day and face actual model class looks.


I don't usually make posts like this but the bitterness and salt is palpable. You talk about her like she threw your dog off a cliff.
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Kineth
09/28/17 9:33:23 AM
#66:


HippopotamusRex posted...
Curious where this 'isn't wrong' fad came from.


LOL

Go outside.
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OpheliaAdenade
09/28/17 9:38:46 AM
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Well, she isn't wrong. Women are capable of being just as stupid as men though. :v Voting for a man who has 0 respect for women is voting against your own interests, no matter how you cut it.

But tons of people voted against their own interests in 2016, so they aren't alone.
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Esrac
09/28/17 10:00:00 AM
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KarmaMuffin posted...
Esrac posted...
He didn't say "just grab them by the pussy". He said that let you grab them by the pussy. There's a difference. Yeah, they're both kind of crappy statements, but the latter at least implies consent.

It's not full-blown consent. If I threaten you and you pull out your wallet to me, I didn't take it from you.
That's what the issue was. He was implying that the money and power he had made the women feel obligated to let him touch them, the same way me with my gun makes you feel obligated to give me your wallet.


No. It sounded more like, when you're rich and famous, women will let you do anything. Not because they're threatened by your wealth, fame, and prestige, but because they're turned on by it. In the same way women who otherwise wouldn't be into casual sex with just anyone would kill to have sex with a rich, famous musician or actor they're really into. That's far and away from feeling threatened by a gun.
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Wolf_J_Flywheel
09/28/17 10:05:22 AM
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Women not voting for Hillary is how Michelle was able to park her ass in the White House in the first place. Shes stupid. She didn't have a problem with women not voting for Hilldog in '07.
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gp1829
09/28/17 10:06:22 AM
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DifferentialEquation posted...
I hope Trump destroys the vegetable garden for this.


I hate Trump but this made me laugh way more than it should have.
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Pitbuller_26
09/28/17 10:13:40 AM
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Seeing some of the responses in this topic leads me to believe that she's correct.
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KINDERFELD
09/28/17 10:25:03 AM
#72:


Pitbuller_26 posted...
Seeing some of the responses in this topic leads me to believe that she's correct.


Do you know how much shit was dug up on Obama the first and second time he ran for president that painted anything but a flattering picture of him?

The same nonsense that Michelle said about Trump and females could have been said about Obama and all Americans.
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UnfairRepresent
09/28/17 10:27:49 AM
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I legitimately thought Michelle was smarter than this
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Balrog0
09/28/17 10:29:30 AM
#74:


gamepimp12 posted...
I like how the argument Isnt that she's wrong but that she shouldn't have said that.


I think that she is wrong.
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BLAKUboy
09/28/17 10:30:09 AM
#75:


HippopotamusRex posted...
Curious where this 'isn't wrong' fad came from. It sounds like such a snide and annoying way of saying correct. Just come out and say 'right' rather than saying 'not wrong.'

There is a difference between being right and simply not being wrong. Though I would argue she is absolutely right in this case.
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KINDERFELD
09/28/17 10:32:17 AM
#76:


UnfairRepresent posted...
I legitimately thought Michelle was smarter than this


Same here but now that her husband's two terms are over, we're beginning to see who they truly are.

Anyway, Trump has 2 daughters. Is he over 70, and grew up in a different time? Yes but I don't believe that he wishes women ill like Michelle would like you to believe. She's just spewing political nonsense.
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OpheliaAdenade
09/28/17 10:36:43 AM
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KINDERFELD posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
I legitimately thought Michelle was smarter than this


Same here but now that her husband's two terms are over, we're beginning to see who they truly are.

Anyway, Trump has 2 daughters. Is he over 70, and grew up in a different time? Yes but I don't believe that he wishes women ill like Michelle would like you to believe. She's just spewing political nonsense.


"Grab her by the pussy"
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KINDERFELD
09/28/17 10:40:19 AM
#78:


OpheliaAdenade posted...
KINDERFELD posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
I legitimately thought Michelle was smarter than this


Same here but now that her husband's two terms are over, we're beginning to see who they truly are.

Anyway, Trump has 2 daughters. Is he over 70, and grew up in a different time? Yes but I don't believe that he wishes women ill like Michelle would like you to believe. She's just spewing political nonsense.


"Grab her by the pussy"


Dude, are you a heterosexual man?
If yes, you've probably said worst shit than that about women yet you'd like others to believe that you actually do respect women, and you probably do.

When Trump made that comment, it was in private and just shit talk.

I'd like to see someone present your shit talk and then judge you based on it.
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OpheliaAdenade
09/28/17 10:41:15 AM
#79:


KINDERFELD posted...
Dude, are you a heterosexual man?If yes, you've probably said worst s*** than that about women yet you'd like others to believe that you actually do respect woem2, and you probably do. When Trump made that comment, it was in private and just s*** talk. I'd like to see someone present your s*** talk and then judge you based on it.


"He didn't really mean it!"
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UnfairRepresent
09/28/17 10:41:56 AM
#80:


KINDERFELD posted...

Dude, are you a heterosexual man?
If yes, you've probably said worst shit than that about women yet you'd like others to believe that you actually do respect woem2, and you probably do.

When Trump made that comment, it was in private and just shit talk.

The president of America should be held to a higher standard than Big McGee the McDonalds clerk from Alabama on his couch.

"Well other people said worse" Should not be an acceptable defense of our leader.
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BLAKUboy
09/28/17 10:43:29 AM
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Ahh, the good old "locker room talk" defense. Literally admitting the statement is indefensible.
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prince_leo
09/28/17 8:59:13 PM
#83:


KINDERFELD posted...
If yes, you've probably said worst shit than that about women yet you'd like others to believe that you actually do respect women, and you probably do.

the problem has literally never been about the vulgarity of his words but the fact that he bragged about sexual assault
and no, no one I know has bragged about that
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DifferentialEquation
09/28/17 9:01:17 PM
#84:


prince_leo posted...
KINDERFELD posted...
If yes, you've probably said worst shit than that about women yet you'd like others to believe that you actually do respect women, and you probably do.

the problem has literally never been about the vulgarity of his words but the fact that he bragged about sexual assault
and no, no one I know has bragged about that


When did he brag about sexual assault?
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DreadedWave
09/28/17 9:02:09 PM
#85:


DifferentialEquation posted...
When did he brag about sexual assault?

Clearly you've never heard or read the quote.
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BLAKUboy
09/28/17 9:03:58 PM
#86:


DreadedWave posted...
Clearly you've never heard or read the quote.

Or it's DifferentialEquation, and he's just trolling.
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DifferentialEquation
09/28/17 9:04:19 PM
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DreadedWave posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
When did he brag about sexual assault?

Clearly you've never heard or read the quote.


I've read it. Everyone who reposts it here seems to conveniently leave out this part:

"And when you're a star, they let you do it. "

That implies consent.
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PiOverlord
09/28/17 9:05:18 PM
#88:


Cleo_II posted...
Clinton would have been a shameful as the first female president. We can do so much better. She is terrible as a role model for women. Don't get me wrong, I hate Trump. But I was relieved she wasn't elected.

That is what I've been saying. Women deserve a better icon.
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tommybel89
09/28/17 9:08:05 PM
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tommybel89
09/28/17 9:10:50 PM
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DifferentialEquation posted...
DreadedWave posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
When did he brag about sexual assault?

Clearly you've never heard or read the quote.


I've read it. Everyone who reposts it here seems to conveniently leave out this part:

"And when you're a star, they let you do it. "

That implies consent.

Not only does it imply consent, but are we going to sit around and pretend that billionaires don't get puss thrown from every direction? And the reaction from men on news shows pretending to be appalled? LOLworthy.
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lostoutlawnb
09/28/17 9:33:46 PM
#91:


Good thing I voted for Bill.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
09/29/17 1:09:18 AM
#92:


Mr_MacPhisto posted...
The more Clinton's and Obama's keep butting their noses into the current administration, the more whiny and bitter it makes their party look.

So keep it up, libs. :)


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TrollSlayer11
09/29/17 1:16:44 AM
#93:


This is why Trump won.

Suck it libs
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creativerealms
09/29/17 1:20:50 AM
#94:


She's not wrong.
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creativerealms
09/29/17 1:22:28 AM
#95:


TrollSlayer11 posted...
This is why Trump won.

Suck it libs

Yep Trump won because people are stupid and vote for the people that want to keep them down. The libs are shaking their head at the stupidity. At least this one is.
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tehzeldafanboy
09/29/17 1:47:42 AM
#96:


Squidkids posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Damn libs are STILL bitter over Hillary losing.

Get over it already.

I do not care who wins or losses just as long as the president is competent

why was the last 2 republican presidents sub-competent???

The problem is that there are more republicans who will vote for any republican than there are democrats who will vote for any democrat. If the democrat isn't a far better candidate than his opponent, he loses. Also, many repubs just like stupid candidates, because they're "relatable"
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bevan306
09/29/17 1:55:51 AM
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unless you're ultra wealthy, voting for trump was voting against your own interests regardless of gender
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Offworlder1
09/29/17 2:00:51 AM
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This is just sad, Michelle Obama is making a spectacle of herself and not helping her side doing this nonsense. The election is over, Trump won, in 2020 the Democrats can try again.
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Krojen
09/29/17 2:06:35 AM
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Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...
Women not voting for Hillary is how Michelle was able to park her ass in the White House in the first place. Shes stupid. She didn't have a problem with women not voting for Hilldog in '07.

Interesting counter.
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Giblet_Enjoyer
09/29/17 2:09:00 AM
#100:


GregShmedley posted...
Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...
Women not voting for Hillary is how Michelle was able to park her ass in the White House in the first place. Shes stupid. She didn't have a problem with women not voting for Hilldog in '07.


But this is different!!!!

Lol, you two actually think that she's saying this only because Hilary is female and Trump (physically) isn't?

I guess Obama is the same as Trump, according to you's twos
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